Should hobbyists/SP's be worried about pregnancy? How likely is it?
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http://www.news.com.au/national/mar...rt/story-e6frfkvr-1225765009352#ixzz1Kdh1Wxri
Married man refuses to pay prostitute child support
* Man paid prostitute for sex
* She gave birth to his baby
* He is refusing to pay child support
A MAN who paid a woman for sex is resisting child support requests after the prostitute had his baby.
The married Melbourne man argues the child is potentially a breach of the Trade Practices Act.
He told a federal magistrate he shouldn`t have to pay for the inadvertent offspring given the circumstances of the conception, the Herald Sun reports.
The accidental dad - who can be referred to only by the pseudonym Mr Lilley - told magistrate Grant Riethmuller he`d had "a consumer transaction" with the child`s mother.
Mr Lilley argued an implied term of the "contract" between clients and sex workers was that women would take measures to avoid pregnancy.
Mr Lilley told the court he was not disputing paternity.
The prostitute - known only by the pseudonym Ms Logan - did not appear in court, and details of her employer were not publicly revealed.
The magistrate heard Mr Lilley initially contributed about $100 a week towards the infant`s upkeep under an informal arrangement with Ms Logan. The matter spilled into court in June after he lost his $140,000-a-year job and fell behind in the payments.
Mr Riethmuller heard the man already had a child with his ill wife, and was struggling to support his family financially after taking a hefty pay cut in a new job.
The man used the legal action to question whether the sex worker and the Federal Government`s Child Support Agency had any right to chase him for money.
In an affidavit, he argued the woman`s basis for seeking support was "fundamentally flawed" given her job.
But in a ruling issued this week, the magistrate said the circumstances of the conception made no difference to the child`s entitlements under the Child Support Scheme.
The man was ordered to keep paying $100 a week until a likely appeal to the Social Securities Appeal Tribunal.
The magistrate noted the door might be open for the dad to launch legal action against the owners of the brothel or escort service - or the mother individually - for damages.
Sex without a condom is illegal in licensed Victorian brothels and escort agencies.
http://www.news.com.au/national/mar...rt/story-e6frfkvr-1225765009352#ixzz1Kdh1Wxri
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"If you got an SP pregnant, would you take responsibility for the child?"
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...bility-for-the-child/page3&highlight=bareback
Married man refuses to pay prostitute child support
* Man paid prostitute for sex
* She gave birth to his baby
* He is refusing to pay child support
A MAN who paid a woman for sex is resisting child support requests after the prostitute had his baby.
The married Melbourne man argues the child is potentially a breach of the Trade Practices Act.
He told a federal magistrate he shouldn`t have to pay for the inadvertent offspring given the circumstances of the conception, the Herald Sun reports.
The accidental dad - who can be referred to only by the pseudonym Mr Lilley - told magistrate Grant Riethmuller he`d had "a consumer transaction" with the child`s mother.
Mr Lilley argued an implied term of the "contract" between clients and sex workers was that women would take measures to avoid pregnancy.
Mr Lilley told the court he was not disputing paternity.
The prostitute - known only by the pseudonym Ms Logan - did not appear in court, and details of her employer were not publicly revealed.
The magistrate heard Mr Lilley initially contributed about $100 a week towards the infant`s upkeep under an informal arrangement with Ms Logan. The matter spilled into court in June after he lost his $140,000-a-year job and fell behind in the payments.
Mr Riethmuller heard the man already had a child with his ill wife, and was struggling to support his family financially after taking a hefty pay cut in a new job.
The man used the legal action to question whether the sex worker and the Federal Government`s Child Support Agency had any right to chase him for money.
In an affidavit, he argued the woman`s basis for seeking support was "fundamentally flawed" given her job.
But in a ruling issued this week, the magistrate said the circumstances of the conception made no difference to the child`s entitlements under the Child Support Scheme.
The man was ordered to keep paying $100 a week until a likely appeal to the Social Securities Appeal Tribunal.
The magistrate noted the door might be open for the dad to launch legal action against the owners of the brothel or escort service - or the mother individually - for damages.
Sex without a condom is illegal in licensed Victorian brothels and escort agencies.
http://www.news.com.au/national/mar...rt/story-e6frfkvr-1225765009352#ixzz1Kdh1Wxri
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"If you got an SP pregnant, would you take responsibility for the child?"
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...bility-for-the-child/page3&highlight=bareback
ok so... this speaks to the second part of the op's question
let me see... 1 incident divided by the population of the world (what IS the population of the world anyway?) = let me see (sounds of fingers hitting calculator keys...) = uhmmmm... holy shit! that number is so small that its insignificant
well, there's your answer op to the question 'how likely is it?', not very bloody likely at all, so why the fuck have we all just WASTED three pages of server space?! :doh:
Because a lot of people felt compelled to answer somebody that many think is a troll.................as to his "Silkyness," it's coming through more and more..........using examples that are totally irrelevant to the Canadian experience..........as an aside, my oldest daughters mother is/was an SP, though we didn't call them that back in the day, we called them hookers and they were fine with it.
I am not sure what conclusion he is pretending to draw out of that story either. The court ordered the father to continue paying support. End of story, and moral of the story, if a woman anywhere gets pregnant and the child is born, the biological father is responsible for support. At the end of the day, he chose to have sex with the woman.
As far as using condoms solely for birth control, and therefore no other means should be necessary or used, wtf? afaik, condoms in sex work are used (and in some countries required by law) solely to reduce STD transmissions, not to prevent pregnancy. If a method was only being considered to prevent pregnancy, then condoms wouldn't be used ever. Soooooo, not the point, which of course as usual goes over, past and thru lenny's head. It wouldn't be the first time he twists facts (even when quoting and linking them) into some kind of contrary conclusion. Health Nurse answered a question proving something was dangerous, and he comes along, quotes and links to that post, and says "here, the HN has said nothing bad happens when you do that, here's the proof". What kind of person is incapable of reading and comprehension to that level of miscommunication and deception?
And lenny, for the final time, people do not engage in BBFS with SOs. FS is something that ONLY occurs between sex workers and clients. PEOPLE have unprotected sex with SOs. SPs and clients are PEOPLE and are likely to have unprotected sex with their SOs, and no one should feel guilty or less safe because of that. What we should be doing is having protected sex and protected oral sex with strangers, with FWBs, with all casual encounters, and with clients/sex workers. And what we should stop doing it trying to justify and rationalize doing anything other than protected sex with anyone other than SOs.
Wrong. My definition & usage is in harmony with the PERB abbreviations (sticky) thread at the top of the forum.
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?53-Some-Common-Abbreviations
It is also supported here:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bbfs
For "the final time"? When was there any other time?
As to your other comments, you have quite the imagination. You must watch many
films in the fantasy genre. What`s your favorite, PillowsTalking In Wonderland?
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LOL. You`re not even hiting the side of a barn at point blank range with that comment. The second part of the question implies this: how likely is a pregnancy to occur with a client/SP? Not how likely is such a pregnancy to result in the birth of a child, plus result in the SP recieving child support, plus the guy being taken to court over the matter, and it being published in the news.
Moreover, the fact of the matter is, when a child is born out of such a relationship, nobody wants this to go to court due to the risk of it being publicized, and the associated results that may occur from that, e.g. a spouse finds out & the guys out 50% of assets + his wife & kids, or the guy`s a well known public figure who could lose his employment, etc. Consequently, it is reasonable that almost every case is going to be settled out of court with lawyers or privately between the individuals, which is BTW how the Australian news story i posted started out.
Earlier in this thread (post 20) i referred to another case where child support was being paid and Tantalizme alluded (post 8) to the same occuring in Thailand & PI. It is a known scam in those areas & probably occurs in many nations, including Canada. It can be the result of gold digging, moral feelings, abortion being illegal, etc
That`s nothing. Here there`s threads of 13 & 6 pages, respectively, 19 in all, on similar topics:
"If you got an SP pregnant, would you take responsibility for the child?"
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...bility-for-the-child/page2&highlight=bareback
"SP’s who get preg from clients"
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...from-clients&p=3546216&highlight=#post3546216
Lots of intelligent, constructive, useful & interesting conversation there, IMO.
lenny, get a clue. It doesn't matter what guys would want to do in this situation, the law itself makes them responsible. The law could care less if the woman is an sp or a nun, if he;s the father, he's responsible for the child. Why would you quote threads from another escort review site for your 'facts'.?
And why would you decide using Thailand and PI sps as examples of sps who 'trick' clients into getting them pregnant, when you among many others, are there to coerce them into having bbfs with them?
And why in your own little delusional world would you try to prove to anyone that the acronym as defined on an escort review site is an appropriate term for use when referring to unprotected sex between a BF and GF, or husband and wife, or anything other than, yes that's right, an ESCORT and CLIENT, who are pretty much the ONLY sexual encounters that are being described on an escort review site.
FULL SERVICE is a sex worker/client term, not a husband/wife term. If it was, how long would it take anyone's SO to get fed up and walk out if they were always being asked to have BBFS with their SO.
And why would you decide using Thailand and PI sps as examples of sps who 'trick' clients into getting them pregnant, when you among many others, are there to coerce them into having bbfs with them?
And why in your own little delusional world would you try to prove to anyone that the acronym as defined on an escort review site is an appropriate term for use when referring to unprotected sex between a BF and GF, or husband and wife, or anything other than, yes that's right, an ESCORT and CLIENT, who are pretty much the ONLY sexual encounters that are being described on an escort review site.
FULL SERVICE is a sex worker/client term, not a husband/wife term. If it was, how long would it take anyone's SO to get fed up and walk out if they were always being asked to have BBFS with their SO.
True, though responsibility in Canadian law is more complex, as the responsibility of the female
is also taken into account, including the possibility that she, even an SP, may have to pay
child support. It takes two to tango.
The fact is there are sex workers whose only means of birth control is condoms.
Do i believe that is sufficient? Certainly not.
Websites i`ve seen that compare the effectiveness of condoms vs other forms of birth
control rate condoms as having medium, IOW so-so, effectiveness vs pregnancy.
More birth control than a condom (or coitus interruptus) is needed, but how does a
client know the SP he is seeing is using them? Is he a mind reader? What can he do to
protect himself from a pregnancy occuring? The answer to that last question is what
this thread is largely about, or at least a primary concern in my mind.
Clearly many clients are worried about impregnating an SP as evident by the
discussions on TERB i referred to and here on (the sister site) PERB. For one
of several examples:
What do you do with used Condoms after you poon?
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...doms-after-you-poon/page2&highlight=pregnancy
For instance post 16 stated:
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