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Should hobbyists/SP's be worried about pregnancy? How likely is it?

lenny

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Two couples in a hundred (2%) who use condoms perfectly, that is consistently and correctly,
will still have an average of one pregnancy per year, when condoms are their only means of
birth control. Considering that a female is not fertile most days of the month, that might give
an idea of how many exposures to sperm (in cum & precum) would be needed for a pregnancy.

If that fluid is STI infected, you can imagine the possible consequences. STI's, unlike pregnancy,
do not have to wait for a certain time of the month & SP's probably have way more sex than
couples do.

That suggests how important other means of safe sex are, such as STD testing.

"If you're sexually active, particularly with multiple partners, you've probably heard the following advice many times: Use protection and make sure you get tested. This is important because people can have a sexually transmitted disease (STD) without knowing it. In many cases, no signs or symptoms occur."

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom#In_preventing_pregnancy

This 2% has been accounted for by defects in the condom that lead to it slipping, breaking, or having small holes or tears large enough to leak sperm. Such holes and tears may easily not be noticed or be imperceptible to the naked eye.

The rates that condoms alone allow pregnancy are somewhat less than for coitus interruptus alone, i.e. BBFS without ejaculating inside the female.

"For couples that use coitus interruptus correctly at every act of intercourse, the failure rate is 4% per year. In comparison the pill has a perfect-use failure rate of 0.3%, and the I.U.D. has a perfect-use failure rate of 0.6%. The condom has a perfect-use failure rate of 2%.[8]"

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/std-testing/ID00047

However...

"The presence of sperm in the fluid is debated. Existing research has found none or low levels of sperm in pre-ejaculate, though these existing studies are non-generalizable due to examining small numbers of men. [1][2][3][4] A contrary, yet non-generalizable study found mixed evidence, and individual cases of a high sperm concentration have been recently published.[5]

"...Popular belief--dating back to a 1966 Masters & Johnson study[11] --states that pre-ejaculate may contain sperm that can cause pregnancy, which is a common basis of argument against the use of coitus interruptus (withdrawal) as a contraceptive method. However, some studies have found that withdrawal could be almost as effective as condoms in preventing pregnancy.[12] There have been several small-scale studies (sample sizes ranging from 4 to 23[5]) that conclude no sperm is present, and thus, pre-ejaculate is ineffectual at causing pregnancy.[1][2][3][4]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-ejaculate

"The advantage of coitus interruptus is that it can be used by people who have objections to or do not have access to other forms of contraception. Some men prefer it so they can avoid possible adverse effects of hormonal contraceptives on their partners or so that they can have a full experience and really be able to "feel" their partner.[18] Some women also prefer this method over hormonal contraception to avoid adverse effects such as depression, mood swings, vaginal dryness, decreased libido, weight gain, and headaches, among others. It has no direct monetary cost, requires no artificial devices, has no physical side effects, can be practiced without a prescription or medical consultation, and provides no barriers to stimulation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coitus_interruptus

Studies found the so-called "perfect" use of condoms, that is correctly and consistently, leads to 1 pregnancy in every 50 couples in a year, i.e. a 2% pregnancy rate. I would assume that includes being properly "removed after the semen was discharged", but i haven't read the research.

"There are two ways to see how effective condoms are. They are method effectiveness, where how many couples that use the condom every time they have sex properly do not get pregnant are looked at; and actual effectiveness, where the number of people that use condoms either correctly or incorrectly and do not get pregnant are looked at. Most studies show results of effectiveness over a year.

"The method failure rate of condoms is 2% per year.[1] The actual failure rate is different in different places, and the rates can be anywhere between 10 and 18% per year.[2]"

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom#In_preventing_pregnancy
 

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^^^

Ignore lists are so juvenile and petulant.


Does anybody force you to read his stuff let alone post in his threads?
 
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jesuschrist

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I don't understand why this specific topic is so fascinating to Lenny. It seems to be a really ridiculous and a very weak argument to get what he really wants - and nobody is going to be convinced this way.
 

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i think maybe lenny is the old 'resource' from the big doggie. resource was obsessed with bareback, and often (mis) quoted bizarre stats about condom failures. resource was also in denial about aids and hiv. resource tried getting on here a long time ago, but after a day of his incessant trolling he was banned permanently. he could be back :confused:
 

lenny

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I don't understand why this specific topic is so fascinating to Lenny.
I don't believe this topic has been discussed at any length here, if at all. For example, where is the thread that has discussed any of the following:

A. SP's concerns about pregnancy from condom failures & their experiences re the same.

B. What backup SP's have, if any, for birth control, in addition to condoms.

C. Hobbyists legal obligations re child support, e.g. what if the SP said her tubes were tied, but she lied?

D. Coitus interruptus as a method of birth control. Any experiences, e.g. how to do it better?

E. Pooners' experiences when rubbers failed, especially when cumming inside the SP.

F. Whorists thoughts on how to ensure greater safety vs pregnancy, e.g. that SP's use backup means of birth control or coitus interruptus in addition to latex.

G. Probabilities of a pregnancy resulting from perfect or usual condom use alone over X number of sessions or years.

For me, personally, i am interested in ways to avoid impregnating an SP. You're not? At a rate of 1 in 50 pregnancies a year with "perfect" condom use, and more with real (non fantasy) world use, obviously your chances of impregnating an SP would be far, far higher than winning millions in the Lotto 649.

One in 50 would be more like the chances of ManU winning this years' Premiership, or the New Jersey Devils or LA Kings winning this year's Stanley Cup before the season started.

Unlike many other topics here, like colon cleansing, this topic actually has something to do with what this site is about. But i can see how SP's might want to share some things on an SP's only forum, rather than here.
 

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E. Pooners' experiences when rubbers failed, especially when cumming inside the SP.

F. Whorists thoughts on how to ensure greater safety vs pregnancy, e.g. that SP's use backup means of birth control or coitus interruptus in addition to latex.
Hey lenny,

Never bothers me when a PERBist is obsessed with some aspect of sex—I've been known to be guilty of this myself. And you often dig up the darndest research.

Judging from your list of concerns, you're the tormented type of pooner, a worrywart. Your stubborn focus on safety can sure be irritating to the eternal optimists among us.

Myself, I've had several condom failures in my chequered pooner history. A few were really bad—e.g. the condom bursting without my noticing for a while or slipping off inside the SP's pussy after a partial or full ejaculation.

The worry of catching STDs is, of course, always greater for the SP because transmission rates from men to women are so much higher. I get tested at least 2 times a year.

As for possible pregnancy, I'd be a lot more troubled if I hadn't had a vasectomy in my early 30s which I never regretted. In fact, I regard it as one of my smartest decisions ever, a triumph of sanity over procreative social pressure.

One would expect an ethical SP who gets pregnant by a pooner to obtain an abortion. But there're no guarantees, and I imagine a hapless pooner might be zapped with child support. Never heard of this happening in Canada, though.

In the Philippines, however, I understand there's still a lot of barebacking, partly because the Catholic church prohibits condom use—and quite a few girls get pregnant every year. Some of these are pretend pregnancies, for the sake of extorting quick cash from a pooner, but many others are only too real.

Quite a few Thai ladies have apparently used this method of economic support as well, so whorists beware!

Keep on doing your thing, lenny. I like your quirky perseverance, especially since it comes with perfect grammar and spelling.
 

lenny

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^^^

Ignore lists are so juvenile and petulant.


Does anybody force you to read his stuff let alone post in his threads?
Your response looks out of place now that she, Miss Melody, has edited her post.

It seems some, perhaps those in red (i.e. paying members), can do so for at least hours after posting w/o showing an "edit" note, while the rest of us will show an "edit" note in our posts after a certain time limit, not hours but minutes.

I wonder what other perks there are to being an advertiser & if it would be worth it for pooners to do so, assuming it is even allowed.
 

lenny

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I didn't realize there was a difference in the accounts other than PM inbox limits.
I edited because my post, as he pointed out, had pretty much no meaning in content.
I changed that.
I thought he was "pointing out" something else.

Your suggestion that SP's talk about their pregnancies with client babies in the SP lounge is hilarious, even more funny because I think you really believe that happens.
???
 

lenny

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I didn't realize there was a difference in the accounts other than PM inbox limits.
You're a newbie here, so that is understandable.

Your suggestion that SP's talk about their pregnancies with client babies in the SP lounge is hilarious, even more funny because I think you really believe that happens.
I'm not sure what "pregnancies with client babies" is supposed to mean (does that make any sense?), but, anyway, i'll say this:

Actually, if you review the thread, i said i "can see how SP's might want to share some things on an SP's only forum, rather than here." OTOH, for those SP's who have the balls to share, in this thread, their experiences getting pregnant from a client, i'm sure it would elicit all kinds of sympathy, empathy, tears & hugs. From both SP's and clients, and, believe it or not, maybe even lenny.

Do i "believe it happens"? Sweetheart, i absolutely know it does. It is proven by simple mathematics.
 

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Your saccharine referral to Miss Melody as "sweetheart" seems nothing but patronizing. I think when it comes to this kind of "argument" quantitative data rather than qualitative would be more verifiable. If you knew anything about statistics you would know that it only proposes a mathematical probability. Your argument is weak until you've actually met and spoken to reputable providers who have carried clients babies to full-term ...

Being as 1) BBFS is the west is not the advertised norm, 2) most providers are on hormonal birth control and 3) our right to *choose*, work babies are an incredibly low risk. I doubt any provider would want to raise a "work baby." I doubt you will see ladies coming forth and spilling private stories about pregnancy scares.

Good job. You've figured out that having sex can sometimes produce a baby. In short: in this line of work and setting it is unlikely to happen in our cultural climate.
 

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For me, personally, i am interested in ways to avoid impregnating an SP. You're not? At a rate of 1 in 50 pregnancies a year with "perfect" condom use, and more with real (non fantasy) world use, obviously your chances of impregnating an SP would be far, far higher than winning millions in the Lotto 649.
Even if the chance was 50/50 of impregnating an SP with condom use, I would have almost ZERO interest in whether or not she gets pregnant - and what little interest I have is simply that she makes the right decision about it.

It's just not my problem. I'm responsible for my own health and if through my own negligence or stupidity, I have a bad consequence, only I am to blame. The same goes for her - she chose to do this job, she accepts money for it, she bears the risk and the consequences.

That you would blur the boundaries of responsibility is suspect. You would expect for her to do the same? You would expect her to deny you sex if she did not know her HIV status at that moment in time? You know in practice the likelihood of that sort of behaviour is almost nil - and that's because most everyone makes rational decisions about the boundaries of responsibility, and nobody who has multiple sex partners often is ever 100% certain about their disease status (if they're honest to themselves about it) except immeadiately after a test and before the next client.

Now if you simply want bbfs, just go for it. I would never judge anyone for wanting something that is natural. But through your stated concern, I would extrapolate that somehow the girl should bear some consequence for your action, and frankly its as absurd as what you say you care about. Why on earth would you spend so much time posting such rubbish.
 

lenny

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Even if the chance was 50/50 of impregnating an SP with condom use, I would have almost ZERO interest in whether or not she gets pregnant - and what little interest I have is simply that she makes the right decision about it.

If she decided not to terminate the pregnancy and allow the fetus to be born,
and also insisted on the father providing child support, he could be out of a
very large sum of money.

I will take a wild guess at some numbers. At $1000 a month for 18 years, the
guy would be out $216,000. I've heard of cases in the USA where richer guys
have to pay a lot more than that, enough for an SP to comfortably retire on,
at least for 18 years. That would be preferable to doing sex work every day
for almost 2 decades.

Worse yet, if he had a spouse & she found out X dollars went "missing" every
month, he could be out another 50% of his assets, besides losing his family.

So maybe a bit of care to avoid such a disaster would be worthwhile.

The condom would not even have to fail. After sex the contents within it could
be used to cause a pregnancy. Or she could help it to fail (e.g. fingers with long
nails handling the rubber during or before the act).
 
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lenny

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Being as 1) BBFS is the west is not the advertised norm, 2) most providers are on hormonal birth control and 3) our right to *choose*, work babies are an incredibly low risk. I doubt any provider would want to raise a "work baby."
From a client's perspective, he probably does not know, or have any proof, a random SP is using
any "hormonal birth control". Neither can he be sure she will not have moral qualms should an
accidental pregnancy occur, in which case what she might or "would want" could be trumped.
This is, after all, Catholic Canada.

I've met SP's here & overseas who've chosen to give birth to or also raise a "work baby". In one
case she alleged to be recieving child support from a German man. There are as well a number of
news stories, including some "in the West", of pregnant sex workers, which probably represent
just the tip of the iceburg.

It seems even a CBJ or BBBJ can lead to a pregnancy:

Man Receives Oral Sex, Ordered to Pay Child Support
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2011/02/27/man-receives-oral-sex-ordered-to-pay-child-support/

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1352876/pg1
 
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Weather a Sp get pregnant is a clients problem .. and even it it was just a one night stand with some one you picked up at bar If they decide to have the baby then the father ( you) can be responsible for child support .. And it is not necessary the women goes after it .. If she and the baby ends up on social assistance , and she know who you are .. then the government will come after you for child support.. It is all about child rights and the government not wanting to pay when they can find the father , and if he can affords to pay ..

I know a few SPs that do not use birth control methods , other then condom.
 

Pillowtalk

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Aren't they supposed to be replaced every 5 years? I am on my second one now as my gyno said every 5 years they need to take it out and put in a new one.

I <3 My IUD. Not only a good backup method of birth control but mine also basically eliminated my period. WOOT!


And Lenny: why is it that you enjoy putting fear into board members? You are silly!


Yes, the majority of IUDs need to be replaced 5 years, depending on the brand. With some exceptions, of course, the rare type every 10 years or as often as every 3 years. It's a good idea to know what brand you received, to avoid letting it overstay its welcome lol.


lenny is, as per usual, off his meds again
 

wilde

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I don't understand why this specific topic is so fascinating to Lenny.
This is more of a multiple choice question:
a) he's an idiot
b) he's a troll
c) he's an attention whore
d) he thinks he is God's gift to the SP industry
e) he had a lousy childhood
f) he has shit4brains
h) all of the above
 

lenny

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And Lenny: why is it that you enjoy putting fear into board members? You are silly!
If it is true that "most SP's are on hormonal birth control" (HBC, post 17), it seems that it would follow that SP's believe & are fearful that condoms alone provide inadequate protection against pregnancy. So fearful that they are willing to take into their bodies dangerous substances. That being the case, it seems foolish to suggest that hobbyists ignore this issue, especially when you consider the fact they have no idea what SP's are on HBC.

Why else would an SP be on HBC? Due to having BBFS with a SO, on the job, or with bar pickups?

Furthermore, if condoms are sadly lacking as a means of birth control, due to the ejaculatory fluid that causes pregnancy, then they are also lacking as to protection against STIs carried in the same fluid. Unfortunately "the pill" for STI's doesn't yet exist. If it did, SP's would be all over it, too.

However, as to the claim that most (50.01 to 100%) SP's are taking "hormonal birth control", i have no idea if that is true, & have seen no evidence to support it. For all i know very few SP's use any form of birth control except condoms.

What i've got out of this thread so far for my personal use is:

(1) re BBBJ don't cum in her mouth or on her body, but on the bed, floor or in a tissue, etc, so she can't run to the washroom & impregnate herself.

(2) re BBFS & proof of being on birth control, i am wondering about the possibilities of A) observing that a BC device has been inserted or B) seeing papers indicating a shot has been recieved, or C) being at the clinic/hospital when this occurs. Re the latter idea, that would work out well if it could be done at the same time when the STI testing is done.

(3) re CBJ & CFS, see 1 & 2, respectively.

(4) alternately a vasectomy would probably solve the problem once & for all, though i can be queesy even for blood tests.

Chances of a pregnancy from a client? In one year, about 1 in 50, seeing an SP twice a week, and that's with "perfect" condom use, with condoms as the only means of stopping a pregnancy. Over 5, 10, 20 years, etc, of hobbying the chances of a conception go way, way up.

With BBFS & not ejaculating inside the SP, maybe 1 in 25 chance of a pregnancy/year.
 
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