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Should Agencies, pooners, etc carry Naloxone Kits

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I was in the DTES a few weeks ago talking to some medical person outside this portable medical clinic. They were telling me about the startling number of fentanyl OD's. They were also saying many of the normal drugs that were common on the street have dried up and have been replaced by fentanyl. The stuff that's left is often cut with fentanyl & many people overdosing on fentanyl weren't even taking it. They were taking something else.

It's only a matter of time until some agency, pooner or SP ends up with a pooner or SP who ODs on fentanyl on their premises or in their car. You've only got a few minutes to react before the person can die. I heard today on Roundhouse Radio there was 94 OD's this week and something like 174 last week just in Van. Agencies, SP's and pooners might want to consider getting a Naloxone kit and taking the 20 minute course on how to administer it. It's not if, it's when.

Where/How to get a kit. http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/overdose/where-can-i-get-a-naloxone-kit

You are eligible for the Take Home Naloxone program if you:

Have a history of using substances, and/or
Are likely to witness and respond to an overdose.
 

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off topic, but what else is being done about it besides nalaxone? Nothing. Nothing, absolutely nothing has changed with gaining access to detox/rehab/methadone/suboxone etc since the fentanyl crisis. Nothing. In fact it has gotten worse, I've been following this for years because I have a family member who is infected with this disease, so I remember what has been happening. They used to have pharmacies that delivered the daily dosage of medication, but that has since been cut off.
 
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off topic, but what else is being done about it besides nalaxone? Nothing. Nothing, absolutely nothing has changed with gaining access to detox/rehab/methadone/suboxone etc since the fentanyl crisis. Nothing. In fact it has gotten worse, I've been following this for years because I have a family member who is infected with this disease, so I remember what has been happening. They used to have pharmacies that delivered the daily dosage of medication, but that has since been cut off.
Well they're at least paying attention now that little suburban Johnny is dying from using drugs laced with fentanyl. That's a start. This stuff starts getting into weed and you're going to have dozens of people dying from smoking a joint.

At the very least agencies should have a kit. It's only a matter of time before some pooner or SP OD's and then what? It puts you in a very difficult situation. Apparently 911 protocol for a fentanyl OD victim is they send an ambulance not the police. Now, if the person dies, they send the police.
 

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Yes I was thinking I should get a few kits
I know a few people that have used drugs and some still do.

As for the smoking fentanyl laced drugs. I understand that they can OD also but not as easily as injecting and snorting.
But either way they need to do far more than just trying to manage the drug addict as keep say they can't do much more.

They don't want to because it takes a lot more money and people they have funding for.
 

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off topic, but what else is being done about it besides nalaxone? Nothing. Nothing, absolutely nothing has changed with gaining access to detox/rehab/methadone/suboxone etc since the fentanyl crisis. Nothing. In fact it has gotten worse, I've been following this for years because I have a family member who is infected with this disease, so I remember what has been happening. They used to have pharmacies that delivered the daily dosage of medication, but that has since been cut off.
While full detox/rehab programs remain elusive to many, both the methadone and suboxone programs have increased dramatically in the last few years. In my experience, people that have the desire to be on these medications are able to get access. Many pharmacies are open 24 hours now, so lack of delivery shouldn't really be an issue.

To the originals question, if you think you might be in contact with recreational drug users, carrying a kit is a good idea. Naloxone is a life saver that is relatively easy to learn to administer. Business should definitely add it to their first aid kit and many already have.
 

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Killing off all your customers doesn't seem like a very wise business model, unless one is soon planning on going out of business permanently. I'd think the top guns would be aware of that.

Earlier this month i was at reception in one of the rent by the month hotels for low income DTES residents (near Main & Hastings). On the other side of the reception window were containers full of rigs & such for injecting drug users. On the wall was posted a list of five locations to take people who OD. I guess they were all located within minutes of there by car.

Fetanyl was spoken of in that posting or another one i read in the lobby. Next time i should ask hotel reception there as well as at the by the hour hotels if they keep a Naloxone kit on site & know how to administer it.

Years ago at my apartment a SP from the DTES was standing then suddenly passed out on a table that crashed with her to the floor. She wouldn't wake up so i called 911 & they sent LE & ambulance.

Some of these DTES SP's use filters and or cook their drugs to purify them of the crap before they inject or smoke.
 
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na, I dunno.

I won't carry one, but I work in the public,

its weird, some girl was on the radio, her brother died from an overdose,
he was at a party and something was passed around he took something everything was normal. he just went to sleep and never woke up,
his girl friend was a drug councillor
I dunno its weird
my father was an abusive alcoholic and a rapist, so I have thought about addictions and whether its a disease and thought about this like a lot.

I have always thought we have the power over our life, its not a disease, I think that is crap, I am struggling with an illness a health issue, I have never taken better care of my self in the last two years as I have, yet I still have this thing over my head,
so I personally don't see alcoholism or drug addiction or as a disease. I just don't get it. I can't see it as a disease. stupidity is what it is in my opinion

but then I have listened to fought with my father for decades, there was something wrong, something wrong in the way he thought, he never changed,

a family member is lost to the world of drugs, sad really sad, but they have stolen from everyone, including me, have been given countless chances.
its sad but I dunno what the answer is, what words will make it all better.

I kind of think when my father was arrested, why the fuck did you let him out of jail.
I fought and fought with my father, and took care of my mom and him, decades latter I realized I was just enabling them. enabling them both. letting the shit continue

I dunno,

I dunno but I have been through a lot,
and I can be a cold fucking bastard.
 

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Seeing how much power and control the CIA has over the worldwide drug trade..we wouldn't be flooded with fentanyl..if they didn't want it here.
Natural selection ??

That's quite an urban jungle some choose to live in..
 

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...This stuff starts getting into weed and you're going to have dozens of people dying from smoking a joint...
Warlock, You made that statement about Fentanyl being in weed more than once but it isn't true. Can you point to a link or reputable source for this information? Unfortunately too many people have heard this fake news and continue to pass it on without any truth to it.
 

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Marijuana could contain fentanyl: RCMP
February 15, 2017

When asked if fentanyl is the now biggest reason to fear recreational drugs, Valemount RCMP Officer, Chris Gallant said, “To answer the question simply, yes.”

The Valemount Secondary School hosted a fentanyl forum to educate residents on what fentanyl is, what an overdose looks like and how to reverse the effects of an overdose. A similar presentation was given to students earlier in the day.

Principal Dan Kenkel emceed the forum and the panel consisted of the B.C. Ambulance Service’s (BCAS), Dakota Stone, B.C. Emergency Health Services’ (BCEHS) Community Paramedic, Jasmin Gasser, Northern Health Mental Health and Addictions Counselor, Heather Whalen, Northern Health Community Health Nurse, Bernita Nesjan, and RCMP Officer, Chris Gallant.

Fentanyl is a man-made synthetic opioid, which means the drug is made in a lab, but engages the same receptors in the brain as other significant painkillers such as oxycodone, morphine and heroine. RCMP says much of the fentanyl in Canada is coming from unregulated labs in China.

Over the last year, traces of fentanyl have been found in a variety of street drugs including cocaine, MDMA (ecstasy), oxycontin and heroin, Gallant said, but he added RCMP now have reason to believe pot isn’t safe either.

“I’ve heard people say, ‘Oh well, it is just pot’,” said Gallant.

In November, Vancouver Police Department Constable, Brian Monague, told the CBC that VPD had not seized fentanyl-laced marijuana, though he noted he could not speak for other police departments.

In the same month, the RCMP issued a press release stating the organization had reason to believe “that there is marijuana available for sale in Masset that is laced with fentanyl.”

Masset, B.C. is located on Graham Island — one of the 150 islands making up the archipelago of Haida Gwaii.

However, RCMP Media Relations Officer, Madonna Saunderson, said RCMP has not actually seized fentanyl-laced marijuana to date. Saunderson would not elaborate as to what reason the RCMP believes fentanyl-laced pot is for sale is Masset.

When asked if fentanyl is the now biggest reason to fear recreational drugs, Valemount RCMP Officer, Chris Gallant said, “To answer the question simply, yes.”

The problem with fentanyl is many people are recreationally ingesting drugs like ecstasy, MDMA, cocaine, heroine or oxycodone, all of which have the potential to be laced or cut with fentanyl unbeknownst to the user.

Dosage is an issue, as most drug users have no way of knowing how much fentanyl they’re ingesting.

The drug — which is 50 to 100 times stronger than heroin or morphine — has been an epidemic sweeping much of the lower mainland, as well as many other major Canadian centres.

Fentanyl started popping up in 2015 but became a true crisis 2016, as there were roughly 800 overdose deaths reported in the province by year’s end — most of which were in the lower mainland.

“Overdose calls used to be the scariest calls to take because usually there is more going on than just an overdose,” said Dakota Stone, who was born in Valemount, but now works in the lower mainland as a dispatcher in a B.C. Ambulance Service (BCAS) Dispatch Operations Center.

Stone says the patient’s environment is often chaotic. “Often there are other people in the room who are also high on drugs, yelling at their friend, but yelling won’t wake them up,” he said.

There has since been one confirmed fentanyl overdose in Valemount, and the person fully recovered, according to RCMP.

“We don’t have a drug problem in Valemount,” said RCMP Officer Gallant. “But drugs do exist here,” he said, noting that because Valemount is on a major highway corridor, some drugs stay in town while others don’t.

Though a scary topic, the fentanyl forum isn’t intended to instill fear in the community, Kenkel says, but rather to be proactive in educating the community on what fentanyl is, what an overdose looks like, and how to reverse the effects.

Naloxone kits reverse the effects of fentanyl and other opioids, and are now carried by all first responders in the province.

Local businesses have asked about having naloxone kits on-hand.

“It’s definitely the direction we want to be heading,” says Kenkel.

http://www.therockymountaingoat.com/2017/02/marijuana-could-contain-fentanyl-rcmp/
 

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off topic, but what else is being done about it besides nalaxone? Nothing. Nothing, absolutely nothing has changed with gaining access to detox/rehab/methadone/suboxone etc since the fentanyl crisis. Nothing. In fact it has gotten worse, I've been following this for years because I have a family member who is infected with this disease, so I remember what has been happening. They used to have pharmacies that delivered the daily dosage of medication, but that has since been cut off.
Pretty much.

The government never followed through with detox beds, treatment centres, staff, counselling or training to get people off drugs - just more ways to enable, or bring back the dead.

As for the average person, massage parlour or escort agency carrying Naloxone and using it - A - liability. B- in a panic situation even people who know what they're doing have difficulty keeping emotions in check. Now try your average Sp, saleseman or office worker to do an injection.
 

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As a pooner my preference would be to be with someone who isn't using drugs, or at the very least not doing drugs with me around. I would try not to put myself in that position but if it did happen I think the best recourse would be to call 911 and hope the first responders can handle it. They are better trained and equipped for that.

Economically speaking I'm not sure if it makes sense to have a whole army of people equipped with Noloxone on the off chance they might use it. It would make more sense to hire more first responders.
 

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It never was my preferred place to be,around drug users or drugs being used.
But in the past 13 yrs of seeing escorts and being involved in the industry at different time , knowing girls that used drugs or were high on call became the norm.

Not sure why a strait laced tea toddler like me ends up in those situations ,but I kind of accepted it as the norm.Even though I was quite concerned for the girl with habit there was very little I could do other then stay a friend and try not to facilitate the drug use.
Although there had been timestablished I drove them to get there drug . Few ever used in front of me but some did acknowledge they did drugs.

But I allso was there to drive a friend to regularly get her methadone and to see other change there life's and habit.
And have friend that manages to get out if the business too.
 
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As a pooner my preference would be to be with someone who isn't using drugs, or at the very least not doing drugs with me around. I would try not to put myself in that position but if it did happen I think the best recourse would be to call 911 and hope the first responders can handle it. They are better trained and equipped for that.

Economically speaking I'm not sure if it makes sense to have a whole army of people equipped with Noloxone on the off chance they might use it. It would make more sense to hire more first responders.
Unfortunately drug addict is part of this industry whether you like it or not. Sometimes women sell themselves to pay for their drug habit, other times the high emotional cost of this life turns them to drugs/alcohol as a temporary escape. And don't kid yourself, some of the top tier girls use.

As for liability, I *think* that Canadian law protects a person who offers assistance or help in a time like that if something goes bad. The idea is that if you attempt to save a person but they become deceased you're not criminally liable, otherwise no one would help anyone (which is the situation in China). Perhaps GoldHunter could comment on this. I only understand criminal and cyber law.
 

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But the drug situation is a sad state of affairs.
Just today as I was waiting for a bus the signage at the bus stop had the add for getting your narnoxl kit.

They need to put more effort and resources it to something better then just treating ODS.

Obvious there is a sickness in our society that bring people to make it go drugs the life style of choise.

Of alcohol is not much different .but few OD and die from drinking to much...other then drunk driving deaths
 

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But the drug situation is a sad state of affairs.
Just today as I was waiting for a bus the signage at the bus stop had the add for getting your narnoxl kit.

They need to put more effort and resources it to something better then just treating ODS.

Obvious there is a sickness in our society that bring people to make it go drugs the life style of choise.

Of alcohol is not much different .but few OD and die from drinking to much...other then drunk driving deaths
I agree john. I saw on the news that one guy OD'd 4 times on one day. They'd bring him back to life, just so he could get more and die again. This kind of self destructive drug use takes first responders away from responding to car accidents, fires and other crimes. Paramedics, cops, firefighters are all totally burnt out. They've had to pump millions of dollars of extra funding into the system to handle it and it's still out of control.

If someone wants to do drugs, or wants to die that bad - let them.
 

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addiction is a symptom of trauma....a person who OD's over and over with total disregard for their own life...is engaging is self harm...another symptom of trauma....

blaming people for their symptoms is not productive, saying...too bad for them...shows no compassion for what is a complex and difficult injury to treat...yes injury...emotional injuries....

their lives are no less valuable than a person in a car accident ....and if the government would invest in treatment we wouldn't be in this situation now....this crisis is a direct result of complacency like yours about the lives of the people affected.

they are not lost causes who get what they deserve, they are people with families and people who love them.

they need help, they don't need to be cast away as not worthy of support
 

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But the drug situation is a sad state of affairs.
Just today as I was waiting for a bus the signage at the bus stop had the add for getting your narnoxl kit.

They need to put more effort and resources it to something better then just treating ODS.

Obvious there is a sickness in our society that bring people to make it go drugs the life style of choise.

Of alcohol is not much different .but few OD and die from drinking to much...other then drunk driving deaths
FALSE. It's called alcohol poisoning. https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/alcohol-poisoning-deaths/
 

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I agree john. I saw on the news that one guy OD'd 4 times on one day. They'd bring him back to life, just so he could get more and die again. This kind of self destructive drug use takes first responders away from responding to car accidents, fires and other crimes. Paramedics, cops, firefighters are all totally burnt out. They've had to pump millions of dollars of extra funding into the system to handle it and it's still out of control.
If the BC government FUNDED treatment options, recovery houses, & detox beds that were available NOW (not six weeks from now IF you can stay clean that long) first responders wouldn't be so overburdened. Private treatment programs like Edgewood or can cost upwards of $30,000. Think this is an exaggeration? Have a look. Do the math. https://www.sunshinecoasthealthcentre.ca/fee-schedule/ Now if you're a big wheel with terrific benefits, you can probably apply to your EHB plan to get covered. Hell, if I'd pretended that I had relapsed into alcoholism when I was struggling with acute depression & anxiety in 2009, my union would have stood behind me, sent me off to Edgewood, and fought to keep my job! (Regular marijuana use didn't count, apparently...) If you don't have those benefits & a whack of cash behind you, you're shit out of luck.

As for if they want to die, let them? One of the first things I learned in recovery, & one of those things I keep in mind daily, is this. There, but for grace, go I. It's why I have "no party favours" in my ad: not because I DISCRIMINATE against 'recreational cocaine users", but because I believe there is NO SUCH THING as a recreational cocaine user, simply potential cocaine addicts who are in denial that it will happen to them. I've been there, I've witnessed it first hand. I don't want to have to think about whether I have to have a Naloxone kit on hand just in case someone's coke is cut with Fentanyl. I don't want to have to worry that a client is stroking out because of excessive consumption. Most of all, I don't want to put myself in a situation where some guy, coked to the tits, is going to get insistent that I do it JUST with him, JUST this once...Because it's never just once.
 
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