Shoplifting gone wild

[PuntMeister]

Society is crumbling. LE is ineffective, and Justice has left the room. Retailers throwing their hands up and prepared to shut down stores due to, flagrant repeat shoplifters who are brazenly stealing goods and threatening employees daily.

Reporting to police has failed. Extra security has failed. Maybe this will escalate to public collective vigilantism to keep our stores open.

Ugggh, we are under siege. I want to support our retailers, but short of clotheslining a thief at the exit door, I don’t know how. Ideas?

 

[maniacalone]

Society is crumbling. LE is ineffective, and Justice has left the room. Retailers throwing their hands up and prepared to shut down stores due to, flagrant repeat shoplifters who are brazenly stealing goods and threatening employees daily.

Reporting to police has failed. Extra security has failed. Maybe this will escalate to public collective vigilantism to keep our stores open.

Ugggh, we are under siege. I want to support our retailers, but short of clotheslining a thief at the exit door, I don’t know how. Ideas?

Nothing can be done. The social contract is broken. Our justice and policing system in coordination with a sense of community worked together to maintain social order for generations. The breakdown of the family unit in combination with the worshipping of money, greed and a insatiable need for fame has replaced it.

God is dead and the moral conscience of society has been vanquished with him.

 

[Ray]

People no longer get paid enough to make ends meet. Rent, and housing in general, is far beyond reach. Groceries are unaffordable, especially to those that are renting. Society is collapsing as governments at all levels continue to ignore the problem and refuse to deal with it.
Most people in society are 2 paychecks away from homelessness.

 

[blondeluver]

People no longer get paid enough to make ends meet. Rent, and housing in general, is far beyond reach. Groceries are unaffordable, especially to those that are renting. Society is collapsing as governments at all levels continue to ignore the problem and refuse to deal with it.
Most people in society are 2 paychecks away from homelessness.

You nailed it!!!

 

[blondeluver]

The DTES is a now a war zone, full stop. I have no doubt the news story today about London Drugs closing a location downtown is referring to the same building that JJBean just abandoned, the old Woodward's complex Hastings/Abbott area.

They have full time security standing there and lots of things are even locked up, but it does not deter the thieves. I saw a lady dumping boxes of condoms and tampons into her bag, in full view of the security guard and he did nothing at all. I made eye contact and nodded towards her and he just shook his head and walked away. Obviously she was a known quantity and he wasn't about to confront her and cause a commotion. Even if they do manage to get a cop involved and get the person arrested, they are back on the streets in hours and now have a chip on their shoulder. Look at the guy who has been all over the news, something like 60+ charges and they keep just giving him time served and putting him back on the streets. Unless you are brandishing a weapon or assaulting someone, the cops don't even respond most of the time. The stuff stolen is for sale on a blanket on a sidewalk or on a table within the hour.

It is a very sad situation for Retailers and the society as a whole... Instead of taking care of our own people and society, the feds poured more money into a bottomless pit called Ukraine. It's not that we shouldn't help but how can you help others when your own house is collapsing!?!

 

[lukom]

The feds poured more money into a bottomless pit called Ukraine.

Let's not forget Israel also.

 

[apl16]

Society is crumbling. LE is ineffective, and Justice has left the room. Retailers throwing their hands up and prepared to shut down stores due to, flagrant repeat shoplifters who are brazenly stealing goods and threatening employees daily.

Reporting to police has failed. Extra security has failed. Maybe this will escalate to public collective vigilantism to keep our stores open.

Ugggh, we are under siege. I want to support our retailers, but short of clotheslining a thief at the exit door, I don’t know how. Ideas?

Take a week off the internet

 

[overdone]

Let's not forget Israel also.

spare me, also with the other delusion about Ukraine

it's a pittance, like most delusional NDP/Liberals who are deluded enough to believe you don't need to stand up to dictators/bullies with force

just lots of talk, which never works, just enables theM and regurgitates itself later

as seen with Russia, Hamas

Most people who are up on the subject, point out the amounts that useless Trudeau is giving, is no where near what other countries are per capita

even the U.S. they are giving pennies of their defence budget, no putting any of their people in harms way

even you, here, should understand VFM

which again, the "FEDS" meaning Turdeau

has wasted, burned any capacity we had on NOTHING OF NOTE OF VALUE GETTING NO RETURN BACK

for doubling the debt

doubling the interest payments on the debt

the money going to fight TERRORISTS, UNLESS YOU'RE THE CBC, IS MONEY WELL SPENT


SPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY WHO CLEARLY DON'T HAVE THE INTESTINAL FORTITUDE TO STAND UP TO IT HERE

OR EVEN WHEN IT'S 1000'S OF MILES AWAY

OR WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO FIGHT THEMSELVES

 

[lukom]

spare me, also with the other delusion about Ukraine

it's a pittance, like most delusional NDP/Liberals who are deluded enough to believe you don't need to stand up to dictators/bullies with force

just lots of talk, which never works, just enables theM and regurgitates itself later

as seen with Russia, Hamas

Most people who are up on the subject, point out the amounts that useless Trudeau is giving, is no where near what other countries are per capita

even the U.S. they are giving pennies of their defence budget, no putting any of their people in harms way

even you, here, should understand VFM

which again, the "FEDS" meaning Turdeau

has wasted, burned any capacity we had on NOTHING OF NOTE OF VALUE GETTING NO RETURN BACK

for doubling the debt

doubling the interest payments on the debt

the money going to fight TERRORISTS, UNLESS YOU'RE THE CBC, IS MONEY WELL SPENT


SPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY WHO CLEARLY DON'T HAVE THE INTESTINAL FORTITUDE TO STAND UP TO IT HERE

OR EVEN WHEN IT'S 1000'S OF MILES AWAY

OR WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO FIGHT THEMSELVES

That's quite the rant there.

 

[PuntMeister]

I’d like to hear some ideas about how to keep retailers afloat in difficult neighbourhoods. That was the point of this thread. There is already a Canadian Political Thread and a US Political Thread. Maybe there should be an International Political Thread so people can vent their opinions about geo-political asswipes there.

I have yet to hear anything of value here, just blaming, whining, futility, and sarcasm. I think our great nation is better than this. Maybe we’ve become overly reliant on governments to solve all our problems for us. And being homeless is not an excuse for being a dickhead and a criminal.

If I see a shoplifter in the process of stealing or an employee getting threatened and I do nothing about it, I feel like an enabler that perpetuates the problem. Sure, I’d like to see more effective security measures (maybe turnstiles), exit security cams (seem to help in the EU), but mostly I’d like to see people step up and simply not accept that this is OK behaviour. Bring back the stockades and rotten tomatoes I say! But of course our liberal laws protect criminals from excessive force. Sure, Canada’s citizens arrest laws permit detainment of a perp if caught in the act of committing a criminal offense as long as the perp is turned over to a police officer asap, and it’s a slipery situation where the citizen could be charged with assault and forcible confinement. In short, soft on theives and over-reliant on police. No significant consequences means it’s party time for crooks. This is unacceptable for Canada, and it will likely take an uprising of political pressure to change the course of governments and lawmakers responsible for public safety. Stores closing snd underserved neighbourhoods is just the start.

 

[LM987]

You nailed it!!!

Unfortunately many of those 2 weeks out will have nice car ( big lease payment), new Cell Phone, Big screen TV, and annual holidays. Not all, but many do as they want to keep up ( or ahead) of the Jones'
How many full size pickups do you see on the road with a single occupant? LOTS, and those things aren't cheap to buy nor fill with gas.
Not saying it's all those peoples fault, but a lot are living beyond their means.
Feel sorry for the generation trying to start out now. A million dollar home is "the norm", but even at 0% interest, one still needs to pay the bank ( or someone) a MILLION DOLLARS. That is a big chuck of change..

As far as shoplifting goes, yes, this is way out of control. So many chain stores have a policy of, just let them go. It's too risky for staff to confront them. Many do have issues and we don't know how they will react when confronted. ( some may just bolt, other may fight)

I'm sure you've seen the Mass Looting, where a mob of 25-40 ( or more) just enter , say an electronic store, and they all just grab an run. Too many to stop.
I wouldn't want to be in retail.
What we don't hear is, how many delivery trucks are being robbed? I am sure there are many of those happening too.
I don't know the answer to stop it.

Or do we go to having all the goods locked up. Then you place your order and items are brought out to you after it's paid for?
There used to be a Store like that years ago. Forget the name

 

[hsilvers]

Unfortunately many of those 2 weeks out will have nice car ( big lease payment), new Cell Phone, Big screen TV, and annual holidays. Not all, but many do as they want to keep up ( or ahead) of the Jones'
How many full size pickups do you see on the road with a single occupant? LOTS, and those things aren't cheap to buy nor fill with gas.
Not saying it's all those peoples fault, but a lot are living beyond their means.
Feel sorry for the generation trying to start out now. A million dollar home is "the norm", but even at 0% interest, one still needs to pay the bank ( or someone) a MILLION DOLLARS. That is a big chuck of change..

As far as shoplifting goes, yes, this is way out of control. So many chain stores have a policy of, just let them go. It's too risky for staff to confront them. Many do have issues and we don't know how they will react when confronted. ( some may just bolt, other may fight)

I'm sure you've seen the Mass Looting, where a mob of 25-40 ( or more) just enter , say an electronic store, and they all just grab an run. Too many to stop.
I wouldn't want to be in retail.
What we don't hear is, how many delivery trucks are being robbed? I am sure there are many of those happening too.
I don't know the answer to stop it.

Or do we go to having all the goods locked up. Then you place your order and items are brought out to you after it's paid for?
There used to be a Store like that years ago. Forget the name

 

[hsilvers]

Or do we go to having all the goods locked up. Then you place your order and items are brought out to you after it's paid for?

That is exactly the way that Russian stores worked under the communist regime than 40 years ago.
There used to be a Store like that years ago. Forget the name

 

[jgg]

Unfortunately many of those 2 weeks out will have nice car ( big lease payment), new Cell Phone, Big screen TV, and annual holidays. Not all, but many do as they want to keep up ( or ahead) of the Jones'
How many full size pickups do you see on the road with a single occupant? LOTS, and those things aren't cheap to buy nor fill with gas.
Not saying it's all those peoples fault, but a lot are living beyond their means.
Feel sorry for the generation trying to start out now. A million dollar home is "the norm", but even at 0% interest, one still needs to pay the bank ( or someone) a MILLION DOLLARS. That is a big chuck of change..

As far as shoplifting goes, yes, this is way out of control. So many chain stores have a policy of, just let them go. It's too risky for staff to confront them. Many do have issues and we don't know how they will react when confronted. ( some may just bolt, other may fight)

I'm sure you've seen the Mass Looting, where a mob of 25-40 ( or more) just enter , say an electronic store, and they all just grab an run. Too many to stop.
I wouldn't want to be in retail.
What we don't hear is, how many delivery trucks are being robbed? I am sure there are many of those happening too.
I don't know the answer to stop it.

Or do we go to having all the goods locked up. Then you place your order and items are brought out to you after it's paid for?
There used to be a Store like that years ago. Forget the name

Consumers Distributing? We both must be old!

 

[MB Mod]

Consumers Distributing? We both must be old!

Make it three of us

 

[PuntMeister]

Make it three of us

….4 and counting. LOL.

Actually though, separating shoppers from the goods until they place an order may be coming back in crime-riddled areas. Certainly couldn’t blame the retailers. I had no promlem with C-D, and the prices were good. Was sad to see it go.

Good point!

 

[masterpoonhunter]

I see no one is right wing enough to suggest maybe ... maybe ... its time to start looking at a US Prison Industrial complex and a 3 strikes you now belong to the state.
Anyone?
No, just not there yet eh?

 

[westwoody]

you place your order and items are brought out to you after it's paid for?

I saw a few ritzy jewellery stores in London UK that had inner and out locked doors.
To enter you ring a buzzer and a guard lets you past the outer door. Then they check your ID and decide if you can go in.
Thieves can be caught in between the doors if they try to run away with something. Manitoba liquor stores adopted the system after massive shoplifting problems.

 

[PuntMeister]

I see no one is right wing enough to suggest maybe ... maybe ... its time to start looking at a US Prison Industrial complex and a 3 strikes you now belong to the state.
Anyone?
No, just not there yet eh?

Escalating consequences and incarceration may be a strong deterrent regardless of which wing is flapping. Not sure Canadians have the budget or stomach for that much state control.

However, there have been mutterings that things went downhill after they closed the “mental health accommodations” decades ago. There seems to be some appetite to get the dangerous-to-society and criminally addicted into some “structured community”. Of course this will be crushed by nimby’s, libs, and media outrage.

 

[rlock]

Escalating consequences and incarceration may be a strong deterrent regardless of which wing is flapping. Not sure Canadians have the budget or stomach for that much state control.

However, there have been mutterings that things went downhill after they closed the “mental health accommodations” decades ago. There seems to be some appetite to get the dangerous-to-society and criminally addicted into some “structured community”. Of course this will be crushed by nimby’s, libs, and media outrage.

Well that's the thing.

The side that believes in unrestricted greed, puts money laundering financiers on a pedestal, and never stops whining about their "freedom" will NEVER be the ones to actually stop crime. Stir up anger about it, sure. They would just send more cops down to crack those addicts and homeless people on the head, but while "keeping order" on the street, they will not do anything to touch the drug cartels, and the high-finance & real estate elite which partake of those black market dollars.

I mean where do people think the money goes when junkies are stealing? To some hard drug dealer (who probably sells them what would kill them by OD anyway). Basically, an addict is a slave, who can't help but do things like steal because they are addicted (duh). They rip money out of the community around them (our hard-earned meager wealth, gone), and transfer it up the black market chain to the criminal elite. But when that wealth gets there, suddenly it's the people of the VIP country clubs sticking together. A world of crypto black market transfers, offshore bank accounts, real estate investments, and no tax or money laundering investigations, ever. That too is the dream of the right wing politicians, and never mind all that "tough on crime" stuff - that is for the peasants to worry about.

On the other hand, the left would gladly take on the bosses, smash open the country clubs to expose the rot inside, and provide more services and housing for those on the bottom to get better. The problem is, they always feel sorry for those low-level street criminals, no matter how brutal or brazen they get; in their heart of hearts they want to forgive everyone. So "the street" knows they have the green light to run wild and get away with it. Cry some sob story and shout "ACAB" and you will get some naive "socialist" group defending your capitalistic life of crime (as if you are some Robin Hood, not just some robber in the hood).

It's a shitty pantomime show, and I don't expect it to get better anytime soon. Officials and cops are tired of trying to win a fight where the street people resent them, and the wealthy elite are too busy tying their hands so they can reap the rewards of exploiting everybody.

We live in a world where everyone wants to "get away with it", laws tailored so they are safe but their own class of people never feel restrained.