Shame, shame, shame...

[The Lizard King]

http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_sikh-attack20050608

Talk about a two tiered justice system. The Sikh community and RCMP were ready to burn these fictitious white boys at the stake, ranting about hate crimes etc. It's a time for compassion and calm understanding? Blow me! This in itself is a hate crime and a clear case of reverse discrimination. I wonder if the police would have chosen the "restorative justice model because it involves the community and the community was the victim in this case" for the 5 white guys had it been true? Not fucking likely.

 

[My Name is Mud]

You hit the nail on the head, Lizard King. This case has exposed the incredible double standards when it comes to race, within the social institutions of Canada, as well as the media.

 

[travel guy]

It's almost like some crazy attempt to promote bigotry and racism.

White kid allegedly does a nonwhite kid wrong? Label him a racist and charge him with a hate crime.

Nonwhite kid does a white kid wrong? Have the RCMP consult his "community" to make sure they "do the right thing". Charges? Nah...an apology should do just fine. Have to take the community into consideration afterall.

The word for crap like that used to be discrimination, but now I guess it's all good if the color combo works a certain way.

 

[hornydude]

I sensed it was BS....

...when the kid said the white guys were playing basketball before they jumped him...white guys in Canada playing basketball??? Was he fuckin' mugged by Steve Nash?

C'mon!!!

 

[Kev]

...when the kid said the white guys were playing basketball before they jumped him...white guys in Canada playing basketball??? Was he fuckin' mugged by Steve Nash?

C'mon!!!

ROTFLOL

 

[HankQuinlan]

Not a fair comparison. A bunch of Sikh thugs randomly attacking some Presbyterian on their way home from church and and ripping up their bible would be an equivalent crime...

Had his statement been true, some racist thugs would have deserved severe punishment.

The actual crime was beating himself up and crying "wolf" -- signs of someone severely fucked up. His only crime is falsely reporting a crime, and if there is a punishment it would involve restitution for the resources spent investigating it. The moral crime was picking a story that stirred up a media brouhaha. It didn't hurt me, no basketball players were taken into custody and browbeaten. The only people hurt were his family and community.

You can believe that his community is not protecting him -- he is a pariah for forsaking his traditions and for publicly embarrassing them all.

 

[bwaters]

Holy shit Hornydude I can't stop LMAO. I've read a lot of funny shit on this board but this has to be the line of the year. "Was he fuckin' mugged by Steve Nash?" Fuckin' hilarious.

 

[Sunset]

Demonization Cuts Both Ways

I do not see the reverse discrimination but rather a passive/aggressive act of setting up a race of people to be demonized. In this case, White men. This begs the question, why did he feel like he needed to go to such lengths to demonize a race of people? Why would anyone try to demonize another group?

Susan Smith, a White woman killed her two boys and said it was a Black man who did it. She later recanted her story, was eventually convicted of murdering her own children and sentenced to life in prison.

The runaway bride Jennifer Wilbanks, a White woman, tearfully pleaded no contest to faking her own abduction, where she falsely stated she was abducted by a Hispanic man. She was sentenced to probation, community service and a fine.

In both cases, the White community embarked on a most virulent assault of Black men and Hispanic men. What should be a crime, that mandates prison for at least five years if convicted, is to falsely use race in making a false police report or publicly stating a false wrongful act.

There are thousands of examples of someone who falsely pointed exclusively to a race “Five White guys, a Black man, a Hispanic man, an East Indian man, an Asian man” to cover up for their own wrongful doings or to demonize an entire race. The purpose of demonization of a race of people, most likely is to make it easy for others outside of that race to not only hate them but to destroy them or kill them.

It’s interesting to note how we feel when we are the ones being demonized for just being ourselves. It does not feel good, eh!

 

[The Lizard King]

Typical of those falling all over themselves to be politically correct, you appear to be pointing to justification...

This begs the question, why did he feel like he needed to go to such lengths to demonize a race of people? Why would anyone try to demonize another group?

...and taking the position of "well, how do you like it" in stating...

It’s interesting to note how we feel when we are the ones being demonized for just being ourselves. It does not feel good, eh!

...in order to dismiss the injustice entirely or at least attempt to put the people who object to it, on the defensive to lessen the potential impact or quiet them down.

Wilbank's was at least charged but the token "sentence" she received was sickening. If it was a male, I'm sure it would have been a different story. In Smith's case, the fact she killed her kids overshadowed it and made her claim an almost insignificant part of the story, and wrongly so.

Now in this case, it will be completely swept under the carpet with the RCMP leaving it to the Sikh/EI community to deal with. Clearly a racially based decision that would not have applied to a Caucasian. DISCRIMMINATION! No charges, nothing. If that was a white male, it would have absolutely been a different story altogether.

Your attitude reminds me of the time when O.J. Simpson got off after killing his wife and Ron Goldman. I saw on the news where they were interviewing the public and this black lady says "they owed us this one" or something like it. So after all the shit the black community has gone through, and it is an injustice, it's actually okay that O.J. murdered two white people. Hey, how do the white people like it?

 

[hornydude]

Too serious....

Typical of those falling all over themselves to be politically correct, you appear to be pointing to justification...


...and taking the position of "well, how do you like it" in stating...


...in order to dismiss the injustice entirely or at least attempt to put the people who object to it, on the defensive to lessen the potential impact or quiet them down.

Wilbank's was at least charged but the token "sentence" she received was sickening. If it was a male, I'm sure it would have been a different story. In Smith's case, the fact she killed her kids overshadowed it and made her claim an almost insignificant part of the story, and wrongly so.

Now in this case, it will be completely swept under the carpet with the RCMP leaving it to the Sikh/EI community to deal with. Clearly a racially based decision that would not have applied to a Caucasian. DISCRIMMINATION! No charges, nothing. If that was a white male, it would have absolutely been a different story altogether.

Your attitude reminds me of the time when O.J. Simpson got off after killing his wife and Ron Goldman. I saw on the news where they were interviewing the public and this black lady says "they owed us this one" or something like it. So after all the shit the black community has gone through, and it is an injustice, it's actually okay that O.J. murdered two white people. Hey, how do the white people like it?

Relax....have a beer...what does this have to do with OJ???

 

[Sunset]

Hey Lizard,

Here you go again, attacking anything that slightly resembles being objective, humanitarian and thoughtful of others by screaming its Politically Correct.

You should read again what was actually stated, which was: "What should be a crime, that mandates prison for at least five years if convicted, is to falsely use race in making a false police report or publicly stating a false wrongful act."

What so fucking politically correct about taking a firm stand against making false racially demonizing statements. Who is justifying the wrongful act of using race in a demonizing manner in making a false police report? No one is condoning such a wrongful act. Even the Sikh/EI community has asked for some sort of penalty.

What is salient in this matter is that demonization of a race is always wrong no matter who is doing it. Anyone, regardless of their ethnicity should be brought to justice for performing actions that demonize another race. This person was brought to justice. Perhaps we don’t agree with the penalty, but let’s give the RCMP the benefit of the doubt, that they considered all of the facts and acted in the best interest of the larger community.

You must have read what I wrote in the dark. Wait a minute; oh I forgot lizards do live under rocks.

Lizard, on second thought go get laid, you sound constricted and uptight as hell.

 

[BushPilot]

While what this kid did was at best misguided and at worst reprehensible, I must ask you what you would like to see done to him? Would you like to see him publicly flogged for making up a story because he was scared of his parents? Why did he make up a story about five white guys? That's easy, nobody would've believed that he was jumped by five Indian guys who stole his money and cut his hair. I was pretty pissed off when I heard the initial story about the 'attack' and I was probably equally pissed off when I heard that it had been made up. But now, after a few days to digest what happened, I have accepted that in essence he is a kid who did a stupid thing. Hell, that's what kids do.

 

[georgebushmoron]

Hang the kid!

 

[BushPilot]

Hang the kid!

C'mon, Mr. President. The kid's not retarded, or anything.

 

[LonelyGhost]

ironically, there didn't seem to be as much moral outrage about the homosexual beaten to death in Stanley Park ... the police and courts treated it like any other assault when the family and friends were trying to get it labelled a hate crime which was refused.

call me a racist if you want, but i believe that if i go to another country to visit or to live, that i should respect the beliefs, mores, religions and laws of the host country ... what i don't understand is why Canada does not get that same basic respect from some immigrants.

there have been millions of people who have made Canada their home (including my own parents) and not only accepted how it was here but embraced it as well.

and one only has to look at how unhappy people who are most 'traditionally' Quebecois are with their situation -- those who have embraced Canada seem to be quite thrilled with their life here!

To me, the biggest problem is simply the absolute lack of respect that other cultures, including many Americans, have to what Canada is to Canadians ... if you want to be "fill in the blank" then why did you leave your home to come here?

Ironically, I am an athiest, but would defend to the death the right of Christians to have their religious freedom and culture and am disgusted by the 'politically correct' crowd that says NO! to Christmas or Easter or whatever because it offends other religions ... but isn't a Turban a religious symbol too? And am I allowed, therefore, to be offended by it?

Obviously not, because that would make me racist ... but I am not offended by the Turban, I am however, offended to be told that the cultural icons that I grew up with (Christmas etc) are NOW considered offensive to someone who just immigrated here and wants his/her culture and religion to be respected! by trashing mine!

no wonder there is such outrage about this Sihk kid and his little attempt to get out from under his own baggage.

 

[lenny]

Hang the kid!

Tar & feather him first.

Then let Kiefer Sutherland do an "interrogation".

 

[greenvalley]

http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_sikh-attack20050608

This in itself is a hate crime and a clear case of reverse discrimination.

I understand what you are saying. I just can't stand people using the phrase " reverse desrimination" That suggests the vary thing you are arguing against and also put out by media. That discrimination only happens when white people complain about another group. Fact is other groups have just as much discrimination, it just isn't talked about. We must all be politically correct, you know. Racists come in all colours

 

[El Tigre]

Reality...........

IMHO it's all about garnering votes....ethnic groups tend to vote in blocs....
Keep 'em happy and you get elected....and get to play with all our money....and the justice system no matter what they say, doesn't want a hassle....might jeopardize those careers and pensions. Cynical perhaps.......but I think you'll find that when all is said and done, it's always ultimately about the money.......

 

[georgebushmoron]

C'mon, Mr. President. The kid's not retarded, or anything.

LOL ok... then spare his life. No, hang the retarded kid!

Ya know, ever since Jesus came into my life, I've found true compassion. That's why I like to call myself a compassionate conservative.

 

[BushPilot]

ironically, there didn't seem to be as much moral outrage about the homosexual beaten to death in Stanley Park ... the police and courts treated it like any other assault when the family and friends were trying to get it labelled a hate crime which was refused.

call me a racist if you want, but i believe that if i go to another country to visit or to live, that i should respect the beliefs, mores, religions and laws of the host country ... what i don't understand is why Canada does not get that same basic respect from some immigrants.

there have been millions of people who have made Canada their home (including my own parents) and not only accepted how it was here but embraced it as well.

and one only has to look at how unhappy people who are most 'traditionally' Quebecois are with their situation -- those who have embraced Canada seem to be quite thrilled with their life here!

To me, the biggest problem is simply the absolute lack of respect that other cultures, including many Americans, have to what Canada is to Canadians ... if you want to be "fill in the blank" then why did you leave your home to come here?

Ironically, I am an athiest, but would defend to the death the right of Christians to have their religious freedom and culture and am disgusted by the 'politically correct' crowd that says NO! to Christmas or Easter or whatever because it offends other religions ... but isn't a Turban a religious symbol too? And am I allowed, therefore, to be offended by it?

Obviously not, because that would make me racist ... but I am not offended by the Turban, I am however, offended to be told that the cultural icons that I grew up with (Christmas etc) are NOW considered offensive to someone who just immigrated here and wants his/her culture and religion to be respected! by trashing mine!

no wonder there is such outrage about this Sihk kid and his little attempt to get out from under his own baggage.

This post is filled with so many inaccuracies, I hardly know where to begin. First of all, which beliefs, mores, and religion of Canada should immigrants be respecting? Since Canada is a secular state, surely you don't mean Christianity. Perhaps you mean the various spirit based religions of the First Nations peoples.
So, you say that Christmas has become offensive and people want it abolished? I'm sure you have some evidence to back up this outlandish claim. Last I checked, there were two statutory holidays in Canada that were religiously based, Christmas and Easter. Which one of these represent all those new immigrants that are changing Canadian culture to suit their beliefs?
I must have been asleep back in Grade Two when the class stood up each morning and practiced tying a turban, en masse. Either that, or I was busy being chastised because I wouldn't recite the 'Lord's prayer' with the rest of the kids.
I don't know what circles you mix in, but I don't know a single person who wasn't outraged by the gay bashing in Stanley Park. Perhaps your friends and family are just different than mine, because everyone I know was pretty fucking pissed off by that crime.
And for the record, before I go back to 'Days of the lives of the ignorant and narrow-minded', the turban is a cultural symbol in much of South Asia and the Middle East. The religious symbol in this case was the hair that was underneath the turban.