A few weeks ago I posted here asking for some advice and someone pointed me to SeekingArrangements (SA), which is a site that matches people with disposable income (Sugar Daddy/ Sugar Mommy) to people who need cash to work something mutually beneficial out.
I tried it out and people have been asking for a review, so I'm going to review 2 things: The experience itself from signup to arrangement, and the girls in the area. The one caveat is that I'm not a sexual person and so I will only be able to speak on that topic from both the stories the girls told me and the vibes I got.
The experience
So having had experience with dating sites, signing up took no time at all. I threw on the typical profile info and photos. As a sugar daddy you do not have to have public photos (you are allowed a private selection of photos that you can give selectively). Quickly I realized the limitations of the free version made the site basically unusable (messaging was extremely limiting, search was limited, photo approval takes ages)... For $100 the limitations were all removed.
I started at 10pm, and by 2am had already set up dates and been talking to a few people. I quickly formed a copy-and-paste "initial message" covering my expectations and budget, set up a search with my parameters, and cycled through all the girls that were online in the past 2 weeks. If I liked them, they had photos, good profile, good expectations, I favorited them. On SA you get notified when someone favorites you, so lots of girls messaged me before I even got the chance to message them. For the rest that I liked, I went through and sent off my message. Also, the girls list their "expectation" on their profile in sections (minimal is up to $1000, practical is up to $3000, negotiable is unlisted, and the other options are just girls power-tripping and wishful thinking).
So by the next night I had about 12 girls who I was still talking to, and had met with 1 already. Thus started the screening process. So for me I set up the following process: 1 meet and greet, 1 date/cuddle chemistry test, and 1 overnight.
1 meet and greet over coffee, sometimes food, we'd talk a little about ourselves and a little about the arrangements and wants/needs/etc. It helped to be frank here, this is the only "free" time you get so if you can weed someone out at this stage it's worth it. I met up with 7 girls for this stage.
1 date/cuddle, this was to test chemistry. I personally was looking for someone warm to hold at night and someone to go on dates with, so for me it was important that we could go on a date in public and seem happy and comfortable together. I have the luxury of not needing discretion - I even took 3 of the girls to work to introduce them and show them the office. As for money, these typically lasted 2 or 3 hours so I would give them a small investment, with the knowledge that it would be coming out of their allowance if we move forward. Something around $100 (initially I did $150 but $100 is the sweet spot). I went to this stage with 5 girls. Total cost for forwarded allowance and paying the date bills: $700.
1 overnight, this was a little harder to coordinate and figure out. For this I wanted to start late, do dinner, movie or something, and go to bed. So far I've reached this stage with 2 girls and am still setting it up with others. So for this it was a matter of really only picking the girls I could see myself moving forward with... For me, there are 3 girls that I'm choosing between. This stage was helpful - it helped me decide not to move forward with 1 of the girls. As for allowance, I forwarded $150 for the night. This is where my experience is limited though. If you wanted a sexual relationship, this stage would likely cost much more, and if you don't have good chemistry then you've lost out. Although I should say, some of the girls I met are offering to patiently and lovingly explore my sexuality with me purely because they like me. This is something I'm considering (I have my own reasons for having given up on sex..)
Finally, you make a decision. Right now I'm sinking a bit of cost and going with 3 girls, I want to see how the chemistry works out for the next month. Then I'll narrow down to just the 1. Also, becoming actually good friends is possible here. One of the girls I met, we didn't have romantic chemistry, but we're good friends now.
From talking to other girls, there are some guys looking for "pay n play" type stuff, with rates still being a little less than escorts for certain things. Overnights are much cheaper than any other escort. The girls told me about $600 gets their company for the night.
The way to estimate a good monthly allowance is a bit of a sum formula. I've thought about it and asked about it a lot and this is roughly what we're looking at:
Base: $400
If you're over 40 and they are under 25: $200
For each 10 hours a month: $200
For someone fairly attractive: $100
For someone extremely attractive: $100
For something non-discreet: $200 (yes discretion is cheaper)
For something sexual: $600
For something more regular and reliable: $300 (the girls do tend to be flaky on some dates)
So for a "full-time escort" experience like if you wanted an SVIPS-quality girl to be your "girlfriend" you'd be looking at $1800 up to $2500. Personally I'm looking at $1400/month. The general rule of thumb I've learned is: Sugar Babies cost as much as renting an apartment. You can get a decent place for $1400, but a luxurious downtown condo with in-suite laundry and hardwood (wink wink) is gonna run you $2500/month.
Honestly, the only tips I can give are these:
Be honest, they appreciate that. Be up-front about your expectations, especially during the second date.
Be prepared to sink some cost. Good, natural chemistry is of utmost importance, so get some real time with the girls before committing.
One girl said: "I wouldn't do this with someone I didn't like, the money just allows me to free up more of my time for them"
Another said: "My previous Daddy really did care about me, genuinely, and so giving the allowance was a pleasurable thing to do", which is true. The girls I'm going ahead with, giving them allowances really felt enjoyable.
The girls
This one is hard to talk about as I'm still in the process and, because their volume is so low I'm probably the only guy they've seen this month so they would know who I am.
I will say this: 7 girls I have met, 3 of them I'm still seeing, 1 of them became unreachable really quickly, and the other 3 I would absolutely recommend to a friend but we just didn't have the chemistry. I suppose if you want real reviews you'd have to PM me.
That being said, the girls in this city are absolutely fantastic overall. They're all beautiful, kind, giving, understanding, honest and relatively reliable. I've heard other cities have more scammers, fakers, etc... But this city is a goldmine and for the $100 signup you can go on coffee dates with all of them.
I tried it out and people have been asking for a review, so I'm going to review 2 things: The experience itself from signup to arrangement, and the girls in the area. The one caveat is that I'm not a sexual person and so I will only be able to speak on that topic from both the stories the girls told me and the vibes I got.
The experience
So having had experience with dating sites, signing up took no time at all. I threw on the typical profile info and photos. As a sugar daddy you do not have to have public photos (you are allowed a private selection of photos that you can give selectively). Quickly I realized the limitations of the free version made the site basically unusable (messaging was extremely limiting, search was limited, photo approval takes ages)... For $100 the limitations were all removed.
I started at 10pm, and by 2am had already set up dates and been talking to a few people. I quickly formed a copy-and-paste "initial message" covering my expectations and budget, set up a search with my parameters, and cycled through all the girls that were online in the past 2 weeks. If I liked them, they had photos, good profile, good expectations, I favorited them. On SA you get notified when someone favorites you, so lots of girls messaged me before I even got the chance to message them. For the rest that I liked, I went through and sent off my message. Also, the girls list their "expectation" on their profile in sections (minimal is up to $1000, practical is up to $3000, negotiable is unlisted, and the other options are just girls power-tripping and wishful thinking).
So by the next night I had about 12 girls who I was still talking to, and had met with 1 already. Thus started the screening process. So for me I set up the following process: 1 meet and greet, 1 date/cuddle chemistry test, and 1 overnight.
1 meet and greet over coffee, sometimes food, we'd talk a little about ourselves and a little about the arrangements and wants/needs/etc. It helped to be frank here, this is the only "free" time you get so if you can weed someone out at this stage it's worth it. I met up with 7 girls for this stage.
1 date/cuddle, this was to test chemistry. I personally was looking for someone warm to hold at night and someone to go on dates with, so for me it was important that we could go on a date in public and seem happy and comfortable together. I have the luxury of not needing discretion - I even took 3 of the girls to work to introduce them and show them the office. As for money, these typically lasted 2 or 3 hours so I would give them a small investment, with the knowledge that it would be coming out of their allowance if we move forward. Something around $100 (initially I did $150 but $100 is the sweet spot). I went to this stage with 5 girls. Total cost for forwarded allowance and paying the date bills: $700.
1 overnight, this was a little harder to coordinate and figure out. For this I wanted to start late, do dinner, movie or something, and go to bed. So far I've reached this stage with 2 girls and am still setting it up with others. So for this it was a matter of really only picking the girls I could see myself moving forward with... For me, there are 3 girls that I'm choosing between. This stage was helpful - it helped me decide not to move forward with 1 of the girls. As for allowance, I forwarded $150 for the night. This is where my experience is limited though. If you wanted a sexual relationship, this stage would likely cost much more, and if you don't have good chemistry then you've lost out. Although I should say, some of the girls I met are offering to patiently and lovingly explore my sexuality with me purely because they like me. This is something I'm considering (I have my own reasons for having given up on sex..)
Finally, you make a decision. Right now I'm sinking a bit of cost and going with 3 girls, I want to see how the chemistry works out for the next month. Then I'll narrow down to just the 1. Also, becoming actually good friends is possible here. One of the girls I met, we didn't have romantic chemistry, but we're good friends now.
From talking to other girls, there are some guys looking for "pay n play" type stuff, with rates still being a little less than escorts for certain things. Overnights are much cheaper than any other escort. The girls told me about $600 gets their company for the night.
The way to estimate a good monthly allowance is a bit of a sum formula. I've thought about it and asked about it a lot and this is roughly what we're looking at:
Base: $400
If you're over 40 and they are under 25: $200
For each 10 hours a month: $200
For someone fairly attractive: $100
For someone extremely attractive: $100
For something non-discreet: $200 (yes discretion is cheaper)
For something sexual: $600
For something more regular and reliable: $300 (the girls do tend to be flaky on some dates)
So for a "full-time escort" experience like if you wanted an SVIPS-quality girl to be your "girlfriend" you'd be looking at $1800 up to $2500. Personally I'm looking at $1400/month. The general rule of thumb I've learned is: Sugar Babies cost as much as renting an apartment. You can get a decent place for $1400, but a luxurious downtown condo with in-suite laundry and hardwood (wink wink) is gonna run you $2500/month.
Honestly, the only tips I can give are these:
Be honest, they appreciate that. Be up-front about your expectations, especially during the second date.
Be prepared to sink some cost. Good, natural chemistry is of utmost importance, so get some real time with the girls before committing.
One girl said: "I wouldn't do this with someone I didn't like, the money just allows me to free up more of my time for them"
Another said: "My previous Daddy really did care about me, genuinely, and so giving the allowance was a pleasurable thing to do", which is true. The girls I'm going ahead with, giving them allowances really felt enjoyable.
The girls
This one is hard to talk about as I'm still in the process and, because their volume is so low I'm probably the only guy they've seen this month so they would know who I am.
I will say this: 7 girls I have met, 3 of them I'm still seeing, 1 of them became unreachable really quickly, and the other 3 I would absolutely recommend to a friend but we just didn't have the chemistry. I suppose if you want real reviews you'd have to PM me.
That being said, the girls in this city are absolutely fantastic overall. They're all beautiful, kind, giving, understanding, honest and relatively reliable. I've heard other cities have more scammers, fakers, etc... But this city is a goldmine and for the $100 signup you can go on coffee dates with all of them.
