Saudi Arabia

Jethro Bodine

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With the recent developments in Turkey do you think that with the exception of Canada, who is already in the Saudi's dog house, the US or any other western nations will seriously punish the Saudi's for this heinous crime?
Right now many politicians in the US are saying they will but will they follow through? And if they do will it be meaningful or purely symbolic?

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westwoody

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KSA will implode soon all by itself.
There is a lot of unrest at the huge gap between the rich elite and the vast majority who are dirt poor.
This anger is why the kingdom is a breeding ground for jihadis. To them, the Saudi royal family are despicable.
The royal family uses barbaric measures and still barely keeps the citizens under control.
 

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I don't think anything will actually be done. Maybe some lip service criticizing condemning what happened, but nothing further then that. The USA wants to keep up their buddy buddy relationship so they can maintain a presence in the area and would be to afraid to do anything drastic which might make them stop selling oil with the US Dollar.

I expect another large PR campaign like we saw over the last couple years where we are expected to believe that the Prince is reforming the country for the better, all while still crucifying and stoning people for "witchcraft".
 

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Religious Zealots.... stoning, yes our society is only a hop, skip and jump from that mindset too. The southern bible states are in the same leaque, the only thing that is stopping them is the American Constitution and the Freedom of the Press.....

Thing that bothers me; if the guy killed was being interrogated, what methods were they using to get information. What information were they trying to get?

If he died accidentally, why the cover up (rumoured dismemberment), why the cleaning crew into the embassy? Questions....

Saudi's oil is the big ticket here, and little things like common decency don't come into effect when your dealing with billions of dollars, which could affect your countries economy.....
 

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He was murdered to send a message and the US will do nothing. As a matter of fact, the current administration would love it if they could do the same, just like Putin, Kim Yung Un, and others.
 

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The Saudis are killing hundreds of thousands of Yemenis and no one makes a peep, but kill one ex-Muslim Brotherhood WaPo reporter and everyone loses their minds.

Get some perspective.
 

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The Saudis are killing hundreds of thousands of Yemenis and no one makes a peep, but kill one ex-Muslim Brotherhood WaPo reporter and everyone loses their minds.

Get some perspective.
The Yemeni crisis is awful and no one wants to offend KSA. Money and oil supples rule especially with #45.

It's the press pushing this story because a fellow journalist critical of KSA spoke up and most likely was murdered. Canada tweeted re female rights in KSA and immediately was scorned by KSA. USA, UK, France etc - crickets.

Fear of KSA reducing exports makes financial markets nervous. No one will offend KSA as a result.
 

westwoody

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What the fuck?
A football player kneels and it’s a crisis.
A journalist gets cut up with a saw while still alive and nobody gives a shit.

Trump and his whole clique need to dealt with like the French aristocracy.
 

rlock

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The Saudis are killing hundreds of thousands of Yemenis and no one makes a peep, but kill one ex-Muslim Brotherhood WaPo reporter and everyone loses their minds.

Get some perspective.

Either the USA Deep State's got rocks in its head, and can't tell friend from foe, or else what they tell the public about why certain countries are enemies and others are allies is 100% bullshit.

Saudi Arabia has been pushing Wahabbist ideology since the 1980's, in the form of armed militias, such as (you may have heard of these guys) Al Qaida, ISIL, Boko Haram, etc.

Someone explained this to me and it made sense: In the Cold War days, if a terrorist group like Red Army Faction, or the Shining Path did something, nobody actually believed it wasn't under the command of Moscow or Beijing - directly or indirectly didn't matter, because this "irregular" warfare was being done to further what they wanted. But today, jihadi terrorist groups that are 100% in agreement with the Saudi elite's interpretation of Islam are attacking the West (the whole world, really) - be it open war in Yemen (which is like the Saudi's Vietnam), or wage covert war in places like Syria and Iraq (through ISIL and other groups). Even the migrant flows from the Middle East and Africa are being encouraged by them, working hand in hand with the USA to overthrow or cause conflict in countries where all those migrants are fleeing from. Look at the so-called "Arab Spring" - where it empowered Sunni jihadists, it was welcomed as "freedom" by the Western media; where it might have empowered Shiites, though, it was violently put down by the Saudis and the West took their side in it.

In this sense, the Saudis are waging war against us; believe me in Europe it is talked about more than here.

Yet Uncle Sam is always letting the Saudis off the hook. The western Neo-Conservative movement is always aligned in favour with two foreign powers (the Saudis and Israelis); the NeoLiberals (i.e. the Democrats) rarely differ - Obama was willing to disagree with push away from the Saudis and Netanyahu's government (hence the Iran nuclear deal which Trump later rejected), but Hillary Clinton was definitely in the same hawkish camp as the mainstream GOP would be. The national security policy makers almost all follow that same alignment when it comes to deciding what wars to get involved in or (or stand back and ignore).

The Saudis never get blamed, and all discussion of how the billions of dollars of oil sheikh money ends up funding terrorism is quashed; they even get the benefit of massive arms shipments, even though a lot of those arms inevitably end up in the hands of the very groups our own troops are fighting against. Sure, the western media is slanted towards focusing on that whole "Iran bad, Russia bad, Syria bad" enemy narrative, like they are some kind of great danger to us, but never takes a serious look at how / why the same political forces here which claim they protect us are in bed with the very world power which most often attacks us.

Hopefully, this whole murder scandal will shine a better light on what MBS and the Saudi regime is really doing in the world, but I would not hold my breath for any change at the top of our governments. The UK and Canadian governments will tut-tut about it, and do nothing. The US government under Trump will deny the Saudis are even really to blame, and do nothing. So unless it causes a war between Turkey and Saudi Arabia, I'd be surprised if it's even still in the news after Xmas.
 
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What the fuck?
A football player kneels and it’s a crisis.
A journalist gets cut up with a saw while still alive and nobody gives a shit.

Trump and his whole clique need to dealt with like the French aristocracy.
yeah, cause they also didn't fly some planes into buildings and kill what? 4000 Americans, give or take?

off with W's head!

and the great Black Hope, he wasn't over there sucking their dicks either almost immediately right?, lol

and old Bill and Hillary (my mans not a sexual predator, she asked for it, she's over 18) they don't have/haven't had their dirty fingers in there either, lol

The Orangutan is just keeping up with the norm

his clique is still within 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon on this one, compared to those before him

you'd have to start chopping off a lot of heads, buy guillotine stock!! lol
 

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Wish Canada would tell the Saudis to fuck off and build the pipline Energy East, why support these fucks when this country could be self sufficient with Alberta Oil! Oh yeah Paul Martins Tankers and the Trudeau Family Stake in Saudi Oil!
 

rlock

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You know at some point the the left wing has to stop blaming Harper for everything. LOL! After all we are 3 years into the Trudeau era. That's lots of time for them to have accomplished something other than making an ass of himself on the world stage. LOL!
3 years is too short a time to forget it though - the things we're seeing today are still the product of decisions made years before then. The only way it would change is if the new government made an effort to meaningfully change it, which they haven't.

Harper's policy was to do whatever the US Republicans would do, which was to kiss the Saudis ass and sell them weapons, at the same time as claiming he was also "defending" Canadians from jihadis (WTF, hypocrite!).
Trudeau's policy has been a continuation of Harper's policy. Baird tweeted about that jailed dissident, then so did Trudeau (and Baird complained about Trudeau offending the nice Saudis, WTF!). Harper made the deal to sell the Saudis weaponry (LAV armoured vehicles), but Trudeau signed off on the deal Harper made.
The Conservatives look stupid and hypocritical for complaining about Trudeau defending the same basic foreign policy as the Conservatives supported. The Liberals look stupid and hypocritical for continuing the same idiotic foreign policies that didn't and were never really about defending Canada in the first place.

Since they (Liberals and Conservatives) have decided to just ignore the Saudi's many crimes and sell them weapons anyway (for the money and manufacturing jobs), then they should at least have the guts to openly admit their real motives are completely amoral & mercenary. No more claiming to be guided by morality, then pretending to be shocked at the brutality of their client, then pretending there's nothing they can do in response. If they were really angry about this, of course there's something they could do. They choose not to.
 
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