Safety when DATY?

[kylle]

I have never DATY with a escort.
Do I use protection?
If so what do you use? Seran Wrap?
I am seeing a lady later today and she advertises
that she enjoyse this activity.
I would like to help her out, but I am concerned with safety.

Any advice is apreciated.

Thanks

 

[Very Veronica]

daty safety

Anyone involved in this hobby should be seeing a doctor that they can talk to about these issues. Period. The clinic at 12th and Cambie is a great place to go. The doctors will spend as much time with you as you need...they do not have the usual 15 min. limitation. The clinic has a walk-in option however they are often booked up so i recommend you call and book a week ahead or so.

Most of the porn industry folks go there so the doctors have seen and heard it all...and hey, you just might run into a pornstar in the waiting room.

Generally, oral sex is lo risk...depending on the health of your partner, of course but a barrier method (condoms and dams) are the safest way to go.

Check out www.STDresource.com

 

[kwk]

Daty

The risk unprotected is very low + protection is very awkward at best ..... just enjoy - it is the best part!

 

[Penhold]

As Veronica advises, go get professional advice rather than put much reliance to what you read on the internet, including on PERB.

If you want serious advice from the internet, let me be the first to help.

Be aware that it's possible to get all kinds of things from this "hobby" even if you don't DATY. I'm really worried about these as well so I've developed a method that gives me the level of protection that I think I need to participate in this hobby.

Here's what I do.

Before visting an SP I go to Home Depot and buy the large clear garden bags (the ones used for disposing of garden waste) and a couple rolls of duct tape.

When I get to the SPs place, I tell her I have a fetish for plastic. I quickly shower and then get ready for the love fest. I hop into one of the large garden bags in the nude, with duct tape in hand. I pull a second bag over my head and use the duct tape to tape the two bags together from the inside. Then I use my little finger to punch a couple airholes in the top for fresh air and a very small hole at crotch level. I then slip an extra-large condom onto my micro-dick and push it out the hole I punched at crotch level. Using the duct tape, I then secure the base of the condom to the inside of the bag.

Now that I've taken appropriate steps to ensure the health and safety of both participants I'm ready for good luvvin'.

Much easier than messing around with Saran Wrap. Heck, you can even smear peanut butter inside your bag at mouth level and then really and truly DATY. But before using peanut butter you have to let the SP know that it's really peanut butter you're playing with in the bag.

I once made the mistake of buying the orange Glad garden bags instead of the clear ones. Spent half an hour making love to the couch before I realized the SP had left to go shopping.

Say Veronica baby, got a plastic fetish?


Penhold
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No shortage of experts on the internet - Penhold

 

[nowayjose]

Penhold,

You kill me man! You better get yourself checked out though. By not duct taping a seal at the base of the condom to the edges of the hole in the bag, you are leaving an opportunity for all kinds of things to sneak into your enclosure. Also, you're still breathing the same air (very dangerous). You need a hose that runs outside. What I did is build a 'bubble boy' enclosure. Then, have the sp use the built in glove to give you a hj. Put a glove on her gloved hand and two condoms on yourself. Then you're mostly safe.

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

Penhold, By not duct taping a seal at the base of the condom to the edges of the hole in the bag, you are leaving an opportunity for all kinds of things to sneak into your enclosure.

He said he did that from the inside, so I think he's relatively protected.

Penhold, let's go into business together and manufacture these Safe Sex Suits so that there's no need to use up part of your pooning time on laboriously constructing the body barrier. There's big money to be made!

To the newbie who started the thread:
If you want to be safe, use Saran Wrap (TM). It's thin and conveys the tactile sensation well, even though not the taste and aroma (which is sometimes a good thing.). I'm not kidding here -- a well-reviewed Seattle escort (Meiling 88) insists on Saran Wrap when she allows DATY. Don't be embarrassed, just do it.

 

[Penhold]

 

[cf104]

For Kylle:

Probably the best, safest, method for DATY is the use of Dental Dam, also called 'raincoat'! Available from dental supply distributors, there are several in the Lower Mainland. Find the one most convenient for you. Generally they cum in choice of colours and thickness, are 6" x 6" and packaged 3 dozen (36) to a box. Cost is reasonable, but may vary slightly from distributor to distributor. Or perhaps if you visit your dentist you may be able to purchase a few. Good luck!

 

[samantha_van]

no bitting

plastic wrap does the trick its just not that strong!! but if your a clit nibbler you might wanna hold of on the teeth..

 

[Aeiyah]

Dental dams are best. If you use plastic wrap, make sure you get the stuff that's not microwaveable. The stuff made for using in the microwave is porous to allow steam to pass through it. It's also porous enough to allow bacteria and viruses to pass through.

 

[SeekSteadyRegSP]

Data about D-A-T-Y

I have never DATY with a escort.
Do I use protection?
If so what do you use? Seran Wrap?
I am seeing a lady later today and she advertises
that she enjoyse this activity.
I would like to help her out, but I am concerned with safety.

Any advice is apreciated.

Thanks

First of all, if you're not doing DATY for yourself, you're probably not going to gain the ultimate satisfaction from it. Merely "helping her out" is a cut below the best frame of mind to be in while enjoying such intimacy.

With that said, I'm here to offer a link to the San Francisco City Clinic (and they know a little bit about sex in that city) which communicates "no known (STD) risks (to the perform-er) in performing oral sex on a woman".

http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

Saran Wrap is a workable alternative if you simply don't feel comfortable going bare.

For many years after the onset of the AIDS crisis, women in Nevada brothels were still inviting their clients to go bare when performing cunnilingus, and I know this from personal experience on two occasions. Now, finally, it is Nevada policy that all oral contact be covered.

Personally I am reasonably OK with the minute risks in performing unprotected oral sex on women in the sex industry, and the linked data from San Francisco above keeps me accepting of the risks vs. the related rewards.

Hope this helps others to affirm their personal stance.

(I should mention that this does not imply any sort of an endorsement for unprotected oral sex on men. I hope that everyone is becoming more wise to the idea of always insisting on condoms for any sexual contact that involves the male organ)

 

[LonelyGhost]

if you don't have a dental dam or saran wrap or penhold wrapped in plastic in the trunk of your car,

you can simply use a non-lubed condom ... it isn't the best, but its better than nothing and if you're with anyone who doesn't have a condom then you shouldn't be there!!!

 

[SeekSteadyRegSP]

>Originally Posted by kylle
I have never DATY with a escort.
Do I use protection?
If so what do you use? Saran Wrap?


i go counter to a lot of the opinions expressed above. i like daty but with non paid lovers. sp's who accept daty may have had hundreds of daty experiences. out of the hundreds some of the guys are bound to have had herpes (the non showing kind) on lips or in the mouth. "Herpes is very very common. 25% of women and 20% of men have genital herpes and those percentages go way up for oral herpes, commonly called cold sores ... " from a herpes discussion board.


as my rules for maximum sexual enjoyment differs from many of the fine members here i will give you the top two reasons why i have remained in perfect sexual health:

- no dfk
- no daty

save those for the ones you love ... and the ones who give you undying love.

surprisingly, this will make you into a better lover. it forces you to develop many other skills to satisfy a woman ... like lasting longer, variations with your dick, multi finger techniques ... you will get very good. to the point where women will say to you "ichiban" ... number one. one of the greatest compliments you can get as a lover.

Hi, the oral herpes numbers range in the 75-80% range for everyone. So try "most of the guys..."

Whether she had hundreds or thousands of oral visitors, or whether they all had oral herpes or not is less significant than is the generally unlikely path it would travel from them, to her genitals, and then to you, orally.

lol at "the non showing kind" (of herpes)

I'm interested in the fact that condoms don't even appear in your top two reasons for your supreme sexual health, but I am sure we are lucky to be sharing this message board with such pristine sexual terrain.

Still having trouble with your number one way for (men) to become better lovers:

"no DATY"

(or is that number two behind "no DFK" ?)

 

[Lolita]

EVEREST will die lonely.

Ya know Seeks,

I'm behind you 100% on that. I'd think twice before taking any advice from a guy who practically power washes himself after sex with an SP. I think my favourite was that it was okay to BBBJ but not to kiss (in a previous thread, STD, parasites).

Yeah, that's it! Go stick your naked cock in someones mouth and you won't get or pass an STD (if you or the other party has one). Your mouth is the dirtiest organ on your body and your comfortabl;e having someone suck, lick, playfully bite an organ of yours that's usually hidden from the elements oh about 95+% of the time?

Last word, you have more chances of picking up an STD from that girl you picked up at the bar last night than from an SP (safe one). Why gamble? Just cover up.

 

[Yman]

Safety When DATY

Some other useful tips for safety:

1) make sure there is at least 2 ft safe zone in all directions free of any sharp objects. One must always be prepared for uncontrolled body spasms and motion.

2) Keep all beverages ( especially red wine ) away from the DATY zone. Nothing worse than having a wine spill on a white carpet to ruin the mood and the carpet.

3) consider a neck brace if prone to whiplash. you might consider doggy style with your back up against the wall to act as a stopper.

 

[Lolita]

Huh?

Everest

I'm a little confused. Explain to me how a BBBJ is way safer for you than DATY or DFK?

And how do you know "the girl at the bar" hasn't kissed hundreds or thousands of men or women?

 

[Molson]

also i don't think any of us should be throwing the first stone at the moral fibre of bar girls.

I would have to disagree somewhat. When you call an SP, you know exactly what you are getting into. Similar to Lava Life and other such places, the bar is filled with lots of different people with different goals and motivation. You really don't know what you are getting into.

I know I will get flack for this one but...Have you noticed that the women are the players more so now than before? Watch it, you will be intrigued if nothing else.

 

[Lolita]

Honestly...

to answer all of your questions

-actually I've never worked when I had a cold/flu, fever ans such. Don't want to risk spreading the virus

- can't tell you anything about the SARS epidemic, because I was retired. Besides SARS presented a far greater danger as it was also an air-borne disease/virus.Everyone was at risk.

-No, I have not been with a client while having a yeast infection AND I don't have herpes. Can't imagine doing so. Everyone has a small amount of yeast on their bodies from their genitals to their mouth and hands. The infection occurs when there is an overgrowth.

I'm disputing your reasoning, I fully respect your poon and get clean habits, but some are just backwards or nutty all together. The BBBJ thing makes no sense whatsoever. Yes you need to careful but when it becomes borderline obsessive compulsive, you're only doing more harm than good. Your post poon cleanup should be applied to all women not just to SPs.

Oh, one more thing. Be careful how much Tea Tree Oil you use, as you become immune to it and it will not work for you anymore. The same goes to use of anti-bacterial soaps.