Saddened by the turbulence at Angel Massage—who's lying?

[tantalizeme]

I got my start in this hobby with Indys—but soon drifted toward AMPs, largely because they're half the cost and don't require appointments.

My ambition was to visit every AMP advertised in the Georgia Strait. As I quickly found out, there's a big difference between quality AMPs (e.g. Angel, New World, Swan Lake, BEX at the time) and mediocre AMPs (most of the rest).

I ended up visiting Angel over 20 times. I've fond memories of great girls there, though showers are unaccompanied, most BJs were covered at the SPs' request, and I'd certainly never have dreamed of proposing FS without condoms.

Imagine my surprise yesterday, when my Chinese GF was reading the MING PAO newspaper and showed me a sensationalist article about Angel Massage—based, it turned out, on an equally sensationalist CTV report. http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/...ions_120516/20120516/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
http://www.iask.ca/news/canada/2012/0518/135685.html

A Chinese immigrant code-named "Yuki"—who worked there—claims Angel's manager (not clear whether she's referring to Perry or Mimi) tried to force her to provide not only FS but BBFS! "Yuki" alleges that she refused to do either—but that girls who provide BBFS rake in between $1000—2000 a day.

Now these allegations strike me as completely implausible. Knowing Perry I can't imagine he'd be so foolish as to put pressure on a girl—let alone resort to violence—in order to make her do BBFS. And it's hugely unlikely that girls at Angel could earn $1000—2000 a day when their take per pop is about $100.

I suspect the whole story is totally sour grapes on "Yuki's" part. Some ladies are suited for this job—and they'd be terribly disappointed if you insisted on "just massage" rather than FS. And other ladies, like "Yuki," are clearly not a match for this particular place of employment.

How did "Yuki" ever get hired at Angel? I understand she got into a serious fight with another girl over a client they both wanted. Then she filed a complaint about Angel with the police.

Of course, the mayor of Burnaby and the police are spouting the usual moralistic "not in our backyard" inanities about the sex trade. I feel sad that this incident may seriously impact one of the finest erotic establishments in the Vancouver area.

I'm taking my current pooning mostly to micros (which are more comfortable and less expensive, due to not having to pay storefront overhead)—but this incident may actually make me want to return to Angel in a show of support.

I invite brothers who aren't easily intimidated to do the same!

 

[Sonny]

"Mimi", the owner, had been in China for a long time. She hired ***** to do the manager work.

Along the course of events, ***** struck up a relationship with one of his hires, "Yuki", who believed him, wrongfully, to be the "boss". "Yuki" quickly became a prima donna and was recorded via security cameras in fight(s) with other staff.

When "Mimi" returned from China, she found some things definitely not to her liking, and fired them both.

So, did "Yuki"'s BF manager require "Yuki" to do BBFS... what do you think?
Those who know "Mimi" understand her mind would never go there.

Were the two of them pissed at being fired?

There is a bunch of incriminating video. And interviews.
Can the RCMP figure this out? I wager they already have.

What damage to Angel?

 

[Pillowtalk]

I assume the reporter misunderstood what she was talking about. She is quoted saying they were trying to make her do full service, which she didn't want to do. She was probably pressured to provide bbbjs, but that isn't actually in the story. If she said she didn't want to do full service, and they required her to do bjs without protection, I can see the reporter messing that up, not understanding what is actually being discussed.

This

Yuki estimates that some masseuses can earn between $1,000 and $2,000 a day on tips alone, but her customers started to dwindle when she didn't want to give "full service."

is not the same as this

"Yuki" alleges that she refused to do either—but that girls who provide BBFS rake in between $1000—2000 a day.

The story is sensational enough, without misdirection.

It also, correctly as far as mps go, says she was not paid a wage, but only in tips.

I do not know why anyone would support an employer who sets the fees, and the services, and the hours and more, hires and fires them, yet does so without actually paying their employees wages.

Oh, I know.


Because its cheap, and they are forced to provide the required services and they don't get to select their own clients, which can be even more control. Plus the walk in without appt of course.

 

[the old maxx50]

once again it looks like a story made and promoted by people with an agenda ..

Truth in reporting and unbiased observation ..Right ...

i know i can be bios too as most of us that are involved in this business can be .

On the other hand i know it is not what everyone would do when given a chose and act on those choses . i have seen many a good escort .. just as happy getting out ..and i am happy to see them out ..

This story does sound like sour grapes ..especially after 5 year.. Shame on the reporter getting caught up in airing some disgruntle employes tale .. The CTV is just being some cheap local gossip rage and the Van Sun too ..

Bringing up some junk like this does not address the really problems which they seem to have no really info on ,to report...

 

[Ray]

I thought the sign on the door said 'Angle', not 'Angel'?

 

[tantalizeme]

Interesting chain of events

"Mimi", the owner, had been in China for a long time. She hired ***** to do the manager work.

Along the course of events, ***** struck up a relationship with one of his hires, "Yuki", who believed him, wrongfully, to be the "boss". "Yuki" quickly became a prima donna and was recorded via security cameras in fight(s) with other staff.

When "Mimi" returned from China, she found some things definitely not to her liking, and fired them both.

What damage to Angel?

Thanks, Sonny, for the inside dope on Angel. I consider info coming from you about 1000% more reliable than CTV reporting.

Sounds like poor soft-spoken little Perry—who ran a damn good show—had a workplace romance blow up in his face. But he'll no doubt surface somewhere else running another shop.

Sure wish I had your knack for plugging into behind-the-scenes intelligence. I suspect you know Angel's statuesque owner Mimi, who strikes me as a no-nonsense lady.

Definitely expect to pay her place a visit before long, to wallow in nostalgia about my newbie days.

Let's just hope, in Angel's case the adage "All publicity is good publicity" turns out to be correct.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

the problem is, once LE starts to investigate, if they find one tiny thing amiss - such as visa condition violations for example - things rarely go well for the establishment... i fear for the longevity of angle massage. much like hawaiian girl disappeared and kitten club and all the rest of the places that are now gone, angle massage will probably be gone soon too

i'll stick my neck out and say that angle's competition is behind all this - it has nothing to do with fired employees, etc. that's all a smoke screen

 

[deathreborn]

who's the old fat white guy who sits behind the screen watching the video from the cameras? almost had to put that asshole in the hospital one time.

 

[Tugela]

the problem is, once LE starts to investigate, if they find one tiny thing amiss - such as visa condition violations for example - things rarely go well for the establishment... i fear for the longevity of angle massage. much like hawaiian girl disappeared and kitten club and all the rest of the places that are now gone, angle massage will probably be gone soon too

i'll stick my neck out and say that angle's competition is behind all this - it has nothing to do with fired employees, etc. that's all a smoke screen

I think you can be pretty sure that they will find some immigration violation in most of these AMPs and definitely in the micros. I don't think visas are issued for people to come and work providing sexual services. I expect that most of those girls come on some sort of visitors visa, or as a temporary worker in some other field, and then work illegally as SPs. They are not exactly the most sophisticated women, so you know that they are not organizing this themselves and that there is likely some criminal organization funneling them into Canada. If the AMP or micro was involved in the recruitment in any way, that is trafficking and a criminal offence. So, a complaint like this, even if it is based on dubious facts, can very easily result in an establishment being closed down. It is a consequence of the sort of employees they choose to hire. They "hire" the foreign girls because they are cheap, and are peasants who can be easily intimidated and controlled for the most part, but with that low cost comes a risk.

I don't believe this "competition" idea being behind every bit of drama. The girls in who work in places like that are quite capable of high levels of drama all on their own, they don't need help from someone else for that. Any competition with half a brain would have to understand that any sort of negative attention on a competitor with the same business practices will be negative attention on themselves as well. It would be in everyones interest to keep it all quite.

 

[maximus]

when i went to angel twice and both times the girls were paranoid about me not having id with me.

 

[fuxter]

Tantalize me says he would like to go to Angel to show support. I would also like to go and show support.
I have been a regular for a long time. I do not want to risk being there when the cops and bylaw guys raid the place. I will need to find another place until Angel is out of the news and back to normal.

 

[Pillowtalk]

You've just described how most high class agencies also function, but of course with your usual narrow minded negative spin.

You support your employer because they provide you with what is basically a safe incall location to earn an income, with back-up on the premises, and they pay for all the advertising and provide all the supplies you need.

Remember, not all women who work for micros, MP's and agencies are under-aged, trafficked women. Some choose to work there willingly.

Wow, and that isn't even someone else's words copy/pasted this time.

Remember, I said "cheap". Last time I checked, 'highclass agencies" aren't anyone's definition of cheap.

An employer pays wages. These mps do not, yet they collect room fees from the clients and expect their employees to show up, and potentially go home with no pay at all if there were no clients? Not sure what is that complicated about violations of labour standards act. They book on and off, on a schedule, get hired and fired. They aren't contract workers paying a fee for use of the location.

I don't agree with Tugelo that AMP workers are on tourist visas. mps get inspected often for ID etc afaik, just because there is an "A" in front of the "MP" doesn't mean they are working illegally like in micros.

 

[Ned Flanders]

I seem to recall a lot of AMP were raided in Richmond and Vancouver a couple of years ago, with much ado in the media about illegal immigrants and sex slaves, etc. etc. I also seem to recall no one was found to be an illegal resident, and no one was charged.

 

[Tugela]

Coming to Canada on a visitor visa or with a temporary work permit doesn't make you an illegal resident. However, as far as I know, the government of Canada doesn't issue visas for people to come and work here as sex workers. If they are here but are not a citizen or landed immigrant, then they are allmost certainly working illegally as SPs even if they are here legallly. Just gaining entry to Canada does NOT allow you to go and work where ever and do what ever you feel like. A visitor may not work at all, and temporary workers may only do the job they are allowed to do as specified by their immigration documentation.

 

[tantalizeme]

Are you equating "transporting" with "trafficking"?

I expect that most of those girls come on some sort of visitors visa, or as a temporary worker in some other field, and then work illegally as SPs. They are not exactly the most sophisticated women, so you know that they are not organizing this themselves and that there is likely some criminal organization funneling them into Canada. If the AMP or micro was involved in the recruitment in any way, that is trafficking and a criminal offence. So, a complaint like this, even if it is based on dubious facts, can very easily result in an establishment being closed down. It is a consequence of the sort of employees they choose to hire. They "hire" the foreign girls because they are cheap, and are peasants who can be easily intimidated and controlled for the most part, but with that low cost comes a risk.

Hey Tugela,

I appreciate the fervor you seem to have for upholding the law—though perhaps, when it comes to laws restricting sex work, it helps to distinguish reasonable from asinine laws, don't you think?

You're absolutely right that most Asian ladies advertising on ERS—or working in AMPs—didn't arrive in Canada without recruitment by intermediaries. But let's not be too quick to buy into the "trafficking-by-criminal-organizations" stereotype.

You might want to take some pointers from the Thai "Empower Foundation," a sex-worker advocacy group which has argued:

"Migration, it was noted, is part of the "culture" of sex work, and the brokers involved in transporting people are generally seen as helpful. Most don't charge exorbitant rates for their service...But the anti-trafficking law regards sex workers as victims, so those who enforce it believe they are "rescuing" the prostitutes. That just makes things worse, say the sex workers." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/life/Sex-trade-not-traffic-30177322.html

The legal term "sex traffickers" seems to lump together 2 utterly different categories of people: gangsters who force unwilling women to go to distant places for sex work vs. brokers who help eager sex workers to move to places where the pay is better.

The massive underground pipeline for bringing Chinese sex workers to North America selects mostly from eager applicants among the 10-20 million women currently involved in sex work in China, most of whom earn a fraction there of what they can earn here.

As I've been told by one micro operator, "There're so many girls who'd love to come, but we've no spaces available."

Anti-trafficking laws and rhetoric can be far more abusive in their effect on sex workers than so-called "traffickers" who mostly turn out to be just brokers who find it in their own interest to treat the girls well.

 

[Walk Softly]

At the end of the day, most immigration is for economic reasons regardless of profession IMO.

 

[Sonny]

Sounds like poor soft-spoken little Perry—who ran a damn good show—had a workplace romance blow up in his face. But he'll no doubt surface somewhere else running another shop.

In video, now in LE hands, Perry is captured along with Yuki two on one in physical fight on Mimi.

And when a guy, whose day job is peanuts, gets an expensive GF, you figure it out.

You don't know him.

 

[Sonny]

I think you can be pretty sure that they will find some immigration violation in most of these AMPs and definitely in the micros.

AMPs are very careful about girls being Canadian citizens or having permanent resident cards, although there may be the rare exception.

Micros have little to lose and are not in street level retail locations, so one will find girls there working illegally.
Usually from HK or Korea, here to make quick cash, and then dash back.

 

[Tugela]

Hey Tugela,

I appreciate the fervor you seem to have for upholding the law—though perhaps, when it comes to laws restricting sex work, it helps to distinguish reasonable from asinine laws, don't you think?

You're absolutely right that most Asian ladies advertising on ERS—or working in AMPs—didn't arrive in Canada without recruitment by intermediaries. But let's not be too quick to buy into the "trafficking-by-criminal-organizations" stereotype.

You might want to take some pointers from the Thai "Empower Foundation," a sex-worker advocacy group which has argued:

"Migration, it was noted, is part of the "culture" of sex work, and the brokers involved in transporting people are generally seen as helpful. Most don't charge exorbitant rates for their service...But the anti-trafficking law regards sex workers as victims, so those who enforce it believe they are "rescuing" the prostitutes. That just makes things worse, say the sex workers." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/life/Sex-trade-not-traffic-30177322.html

The legal term "sex traffickers" seems to lump together 2 utterly different categories of people: gangsters who force unwilling women to go to distant places for sex work vs. brokers who help eager sex workers to move to places where the pay is better.

The massive underground pipeline for bringing Chinese sex workers to North America selects mostly from eager applicants among the 10-20 million women currently involved in sex work in China, most of whom earn a fraction there of what they can earn here.

As I've been told by one micro operator, "There're so many girls who'd love to come, but we've no spaces available."

Anti-trafficking laws and rhetoric can be far more abusive in their effect on sex workers than so-called "traffickers" who mostly turn out to be just brokers who find it in their own interest to treat the girls well.

Trafficking is not only about slavery like you seem to think (allthough it can be), it is is treating human beings as goods to be bought and sold or otherwise exploited in a manner that is beyond the law. It is the modern version of serfdom. In the 19th century it was called indentured servitude, because slavery as such was outlawed. The people who smuggle immigrants in by boat or across the border in the dead of night are traffickers as well. They are exploiting the desperation and vulnerability for profit. If you think that they are in it for noble reasons you are seriously deluded. The people who do this sort of thing are violent dangerous criminals who would think nothing of doing whatever they liked to their "clients", because lets face it, there is no law enforcement or BBB protecting their victims. They are at the mercy of the thugs. And once they get here they are illegal, which means that they can be assualted, threatened, stolen from and/or essentially blackmailed into working for sub-mimimum wages.

 

[tantalizeme]

Trafficking is not only about slavery like you seem to think (allthough it can be), it is is treating human beings as goods to be bought and sold or otherwise exploited in a manner that is beyond the law.

It is the modern version of serfdom. In the 19th century it was called indentured servitude, because slavery as such was outlawed. The people who smuggle immigrants in by boat or across the border in the dead of night are traffickers as well. They are exploiting the desperation and vulnerability for profit.

If you think that they are in it for noble reasons you are seriously deluded. The people who do this sort of thing are violent dangerous criminals who would think nothing of doing whatever they liked to their "clients", because lets face it, there is no law enforcement or BBB protecting their victims. They are at the mercy of the thugs.

And once they get here they are illegal, which means that they can be assualted, threatened, stolen from and/or essentially blackmailed into working for sub-mimimum wages.

Wow, Tugela—your rhetoric echoes the broken record of anti-prostitution zealots.

The fact that you're resentful of sex workers from overseas coming here in an attempt to improve their lives—and can't see this issue from any other side than violent, dangerous exploitation—leads me to think you're not a pooner at all.

You post a lot, but I've vainly looked for reviews from you. Who are you, my friend—a spy?