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Dude, you forgot the OTHER half of the meatball; that's $128 million committed for the next 12 yrs, we'll be forever ingrained to failure and doom. We cannot win w/ these type of players.
They've been here 8 yrs and done JACK ALL.
Scary stuff.
For those clowns out there, signing them to such a long deal just makes them so hard to trade down the road...one never knows...look at Heatley lol
According to TSN, that offer has already been pitched to the Canucks, and rejected.
Of course this is just their opening bargaining position, and they don't expect to actually get that amount, or term.
Apparently it was a declining salary scale, so they would earn less per year later in the deal, meaning trading them would not be that difficult, after the first few years.
Of course this is just their opening bargaining position, and they don't expect to actually get that amount, or term.
Apparently it was a declining salary scale, so they would earn less per year later in the deal, meaning trading them would not be that difficult, after the first few years.
Unlike BJ I don't dislike the Sedins, they've developed into solid point a game players. At their age there is no way I'd sign them to a 12 year contract. I think they are close to the peak of their potential, they may increase their production a little bit in the next year or two but I don't see a huge production increase and I highly doubt they can even maintain their current production for another 12 years.
Long term contracts like that only make sense for young franchise players. Washington signing Alexander Ovechkin to a 13 contract makes sense, the guy averages 105 points a season and he's still 6 years away from when an average player reaches their peak performance.
Long term contracts like that only make sense for young franchise players. Washington signing Alexander Ovechkin to a 13 contract makes sense, the guy averages 105 points a season and he's still 6 years away from when an average player reaches their peak performance.
Very true, but it still represents a $10M cap hit each of the next 12 years.
Without knowing where the cap will be this would be a really tough deal to agree to.
Of course it would. Which is where the parts of my post that you didn't quote come into play...
Agreed. They're likely not going to be playing for that long, so in the 11th and 12th years you could be having 10 mill applied to your cap for players that are no longer on your roster. At least that's how I've come to understand it. That's why I've never liked those types of deals.
10.5 million for a top 2 line is not bad IMHO.
2 for Burrow and you have 12.5 for 3 of your top 6.
6 million for your bottom 6 forwards.
14 million for your Top 4 defencemen.
Another 2 million for your bottom 3.
7 million for your #1 goalie.
1 million for the backup
Total so far = $42.5 million.
Demitra @ 4 plus Hogson.
With the max projected cap @ 56 million, you might have
room for another 5 million sniper with 2/3 million to spare...
Keep in mind that if a player chooses to retire before the
age of 35, the salary hit will no longer count against the cap.
(ask Slather how much Naslund's retirement helped the Rangers)
As well, the Sedins seem to me to be the type of players that
would rather retire than play in the minors. I say front load
the hell out of the contract (max salary = 20% of cap for the
year) and waive them when they production starts to slag...
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at the start of the season last year, their "so called" experts picked the Canucks to miss the playoffs ...
that said, the contract is purportedly front end loaded, meaning the average of the salary is what goes against the salary cap on a year over year basis...
so keep in mind, although it is a declining salary scale, the average yearly salary will count against the salary cap throughout the term of the contract...
your right about it being an opening offer though...
both parties start out with an extreme position, and than settle for something in between so that they can both save face...
kind of like union negotiations...
if a union wants a 5-3-3% increase over the next three years, they ask for a 50-30-30% increase initially...
all it is, is a silly game of posturing...
that said, I agree with BJhunter about the Sedins...
they are commendable players and such, but you do not build a team around them...
I used to think that you could build a team around Luongo, but I have come to realize that he is a man who cannot battle through adversity...
he is great when he is in a groove and things are going his way, but he is nothing but a little bawl baby when things don't go his way...
I think the Canucks should connect one of those baby monitors to the crossbar of their goal...
at least the whiney bastard cut his greasy hair...
I'm interested to see if Burke makes a pitch for the Sedins...
first of all TSN doesn't know sweet f**k all...
at the start of the season last year, their "so called" experts picked the Canucks to miss the playoffs
...that said, the contract is purportedly front end loaded, meaning the average of the salary is what goes against the salary cap on a year over year basis...
so keep in mind, although it is a declining salary scale, the average yearly salary will count against the salary cap throughout the term of the contract...
your right about it being an opening offer though...
both parties start out with an extreme position, and than settle for something in between so that they can both save face...
kind of like union negotiations...
if a union wants a 5-3-3% increase over the next three years, they ask for a 50-30-30% increase initially...
all it is, is a silly game of posturing...
that said, I agree with BJhunter about the Sedins...
they are commendable players and such, but you do not build a team around them...
I used to think that you could build a team around Luongo, but I have come to realize that he is a man who cannot battle through adversity...
he is great when he is in a groove and things are going his way, but he is nothing but a little bawl baby when things don't go his way...
I think the Canucks should connect one of those baby monitors to the crossbar of their goal...
at least the whiney bastard cut his greasy hair...
I'm interested to see if Burke makes a pitch for the Sedins...
Have to agree with you on Luongo.
Brodeur he is not.
BTW, Burkie is up to his ying yang in dead salaries.
$40 million for 17 players.
So unless he can find some sucker to take his dead
weight (if they waive their no trades), the chances
of him landing both the Sedins is pretty remote.
The Sedins will end up getting signed for around $5.5-6 million each on a 3-4 year contract with a no trade clause.
It's not when they retire, it's when they sign the contract10.5 million for a top 2 line is not bad IMHO.
2 for Burrow and you have 12.5 for 3 of your top 6.
6 million for your bottom 6 forwards.
14 million for your Top 4 defencemen.
Another 2 million for your bottom 3.
7 million for your #1 goalie.
1 million for the backup
Total so far = $42.5 million.
Demitra @ 4 plus Hogson.
With the max projected cap @ 56 million, you might have
room for another 5 million sniper with 2/3 million to spare...
Keep in mind that if a player chooses to retire before the
age of 35, the salary hit will no longer count against the cap.
(ask Slather how much Naslund's retirement helped the Rangers)
As well, the Sedins seem to me to be the type of players that
would rather retire than play in the minors. I say front load
the hell out of the contract (max salary = 20% of cap for the
year) and waive them when they production starts to slag...
If a player signs a contract before his 35th birthday, regardless of length, if he choses to retire, the club is obsolved of the cap hit.
If the deal is signed after the player's 35 birthday, the cap hit stays regardless of retirement/demotion/or release/buyout (the only exception is a long term injury clause)
The Canucks couldn't waive them to get rid of them, they would have to voluntarily retire since NHL contracts are guaranteed
The trick with these long deals it to have the remaining few years pay so little, that the player would chose to retire rather than play since they would be at an age where they would be thinking retirement anyways
This 12 year deal is really a 9 year deal (Sedins will be 37) if they retire at that point. The last 3 years will be at 1 million per, so the deal really is 9 years and 60 million, (average 6.66 per year) but stretching it over 12 years lowers the cap to a very friendly 5.25
If they have cap troubles or the Sedin's aren't producing after year 9, the canucks could also buy out the remaining 3 years of the deal for 2/3 of the 3 million and have that amount (2 million) spread out as a cap hit over 6 years (double the remaining term-333,000 per Sedin). Since the deal was signed before they were 35, the 5.25 would come off the cap and be replaces with 333,000 cap charge from the buyout
This is How Detroit is doing it with Zetterberg and Franzen and Hossa if they resign him
Thanks for the clarification!
Isn't there also a stipulation on the maximum % drop from year to year?
Do you have a simplified version for poor BJH? He has enough trouble with 63 X 2 (copyright by Inamorato).
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Awww, poor Wilde..just feel too bad for you. Just b/c I bash the bandwagon fans, which is apparent in this city, so I'm not inventing anything...the fact that you're a Habs fan, and you really cannot mind your own business, i just LOVE how you have to get involved!Do you have a simplified version for poor BJH? He has enough trouble with 63 X 2 (copyright by Inamorato).
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So sweet! didn't know you care so much!
I'm not too sure what's worse; even a bandwagon is wondering why you would even care about what I think/say/write. Guess you just love 'thinking' you're smart...
go ahead, bring it on, little fella, your calculators, your hotline numbers, doesn't faze me. You just humour me more and more.
I have my opinions on the Nucks, their fans; you have yours. It's really as simple as that
The fact that all of a sudden, you've been creating threads is just music to my ears. Either you haven't got laid, got dumped by yr wife/gf, and now you've got more time here to respond? lol...you're just taking place of my other favourite beating boy, Trackie
Do you want me to start bashing your Habs? It's very simple...
Excuse me but it seems to me you are the one who is in desperate need of a calculator, and a dictionary while you are at it.Awww, poor Wilde..just feel too bad for you. Just b/c I bash the bandwagon fans, which is apparent in this city, so I'm not inventing anything...the fact that you're a Habs fan, and you really cannot mind your own business, i just LOVE how you have to get involved!
So sweet! didn't know you care so much!
I'm not too sure what's worse; even a bandwagon is wondering why you would even care about what I think/say/write. Guess you just love 'thinking' you're smart...
go ahead, bring it on, little fella, your calculators, your hotline numbers, doesn't faze me. You just humour me more and more.
I have my opinions on the Nucks, their fans; you have yours. It's really as simple as that
The fact that all of a sudden, you've been creating threads is just music to my ears. Either you haven't got laid, got dumped by yr wife/gf, and now you've got more time here to respond? lol...you're just taking place of my other favourite beating boy, Trackie
Do you want me to start bashing your Habs? It's very simple...
You still have no clue what a bandwagon fan is, do you? Ok, no dictionary, no problem. You got a mirror at home, I hope. Now go stand in front of it and there you have it - a typical loser bandwagon fan.I don't think I am smart, I just think you are stupid. That's all.
What's the matter now, getting a little annoyed? It's called a taste of your own medicine.
Oh bring in on man, please? I would like to hear your bashing, better brush up on the history first though. Wouldn't want you to confuse Boom Boom and the Roadrunner, and make a total ass out of yourself again. Give it you best shot Mr. Bandwagon.
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Every time you try, you just make yourself look more idiotic than you already arelol...you're just taking place of my other favourite beating boy, Trackie
Amazing, usually a man of your advanced years has more hot air coming from your ass than your mouth Great to hear from you, missed bashing your idiotic points. Again, you keep on harping about my age; go back & read my posts about school, not even close to 35Every time you try, you just make yourself look more idiotic than you already are
so that's how far off your type are. LOLThis thread was about the rumour on how much the Sedins were looking for. Please contribute more relevant to the topic.
And good boy, like a little doggie, for not copying that broken record again. You could, I've opened the door for you now, but again, doesn't contribute much to the origin of this thread.
pooners have already stated how tough this long term deal of 12 yrs would be deal in the future; look how the Leafs, Oilers, etc. have been handcuffed. See, that's relevant.
You're not. Neither is your record.
heck, I didn't even criticize the actual monetary value of this supposingly deal that's reported. i say start fresh; with who, well, I'm just an armchair GM, like the rest of your kind.
Have you ever thought about how a team would like to absorb the rest of the deal, if, let's say, the Sedins wanted to or if the Nucks wanted to get rid of them after another 4 unproductive years? That's 8 more years, so please show me who's been traded w/ a length of contract like that...
