Rogers/Shaw

[Cock Throppled]

Is there anything the federal government does that actually helps people? They had a chance to build some competition in the telecom industry to give consumers a break, but no, they had to do the worst thing possible, and allow Rogers to buy Shaw. What will it mean? Nothing good. It has a stink around the whole process.

Canadians pay some of the highest charges for internet and cell services, and now there are fewer options for any of us. The collusion between the Big 3 will continue. It's hard not to see this as a Liberal Party payoff to Rogers. I'd like to know how much money is donated to Liberal party and individual MP's by Bell and Rogers.

 

[rlock]

Is there anything the federal government does that actually helps people? They had a chance to build some competition in the telecom industry to give consumers a break, but no, they had to do the worst thing possible, and allow Rogers to buy Shaw. What will it mean? Nothing good. It has a stink around the whole process.

Canadians pay some of the highest charges for internet and cell services, and now there are fewer options for any of us. The collusion between the Big 3 will continue. It's hard not to see this as a Liberal Party payoff to Rogers. I'd like to know how much money is donated to Liberal party and individual MP's by Bell and Rogers.

I guess the feds having to contend against the actions of Google & Facebook conglomerates has taught them nothing about monopolistic corporate power. Alberta got some throwaway goodies so they they can't complain this is some anti-western thing, but they will complain anyway, because it is their nature.

It's a stupid decision the Liberals made, but the Conservatives would have done the same - only without taking a year to pretend like their were "concerned" for the public, and without putting any toothless conditions on the deal. Look at their no-conditions bailouts of "domestic" automakers 15 years ago. Companies took the money, then said "thanks, taxpayers suckers !" and kept on, building shit products, closing plants, and giving themselves "performance" bonuses.

Those two parties cannot help putting the guys in the boardrooms before the people in the streets. They will never actually whip the corporate world into respecting the public.

 

[Bridge]

This may beg the question, have corporations evolved into something too powerful?

 

[westwoody]

The worst decision ever holy fuck. Canada went from not enough competition to a near monopoly.
Sad fact is the Cons would have done the same thing- as stated above.

Starlink is the only alternative to these fuckers.

People who live in metropolitan areas can’t imagine what a game changer Starlink is.
Most of Canada doesn’t have high speed internet. Just a hundred km north or Winnipeg and there’s nothing at all. Starlink is bringing internet to people who would never get it from Shaw or Rogers.

 

[Wakeup]

Starlink is not cheap ,hardware is 350-700 and monthly is 130-170 plus tax.
I have the movable one at 170,works great 250-300mbbs down and lots up.
we have 16-17 phones on Telus 45 each, plus payment for subsidy phones, works out to @ 1000 a month, in the states be less than half.
Cheers

 

[Equity Market investor]

Do you recall when American giant Verizon was to enter the Canadian market? All of the sudden, why do you think they bailed out of Canada? They said, back then, that Verizon was never a " serious" player and was never going to come into Canada, but, I disagree. They didn't want such giants to come in because it posed a major threat to the existing Canadian providers. I recall that story vividly and if Verizon came in it would have created a " dealers " choice for Canadians in terms of pricing.
Verizon, probably thought --- far too many behind the scene protocols up here --- so they slammed the door and bolted.

Is there anything the federal government does that actually helps people? They had a chance to build some competition in the telecom industry to give consumers a break, but no, they had to do the worst thing possible, and allow Rogers to buy Shaw. What will it mean? Nothing good. It has a stink around the whole process.

Canadians pay some of the highest charges for internet and cell services, and now there are fewer options for any of us. The collusion between the Big 3 will continue. It's hard not to see this as a Liberal Party payoff to Rogers. I'd like to know how much money is donated to Liberal party and individual MP's by Bell and Rogers.

 

[westwoody]

Starlink is not cheap ,hardware is 350-700 and monthly is 130-170 plus tax.

It’s better than nothing.
There is lots of lightly populated space in Manitoba where there is no internet at all.

 

[MB Mod]

I just got an email today from Tony Staffieri about this merger. Is this really a monopoly? Arent shaw and rogers providing different services anyway? They probably want to level the competitive field against telus whom provides both internet and cable already.

Im probably missing crucial information. The info that i wrote above was a quick google search on their services, and whats on top of my head.

I got the same email and I noticed my Shaw internet got slightly slower at the same time! Coincidence? I think not!

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

This may beg the question, have corporations evolved into something too powerful?

Have you ever watched Rollerball

 

[rlock]

Do you recall when American giant Verizon was to enter the Canadian market? All of the sudden, why do you think they bailed out of Canada? They said, back then, that Verizon was never a " serious" player and was never going to come into Canada, but, I disagree. They didn't want such giants to come in because it posed a major threat to the existing Canadian providers. I recall that story vividly and if Verizon came in it would have created a " dealers " choice for Canadians in terms of pricing.
Verizon, probably thought --- far too many behind the scene protocols up here --- so they slammed the door and bolted.

Nah, allowing Americans to control Canada's telecoms would be like curing a headache by shooting yourself in the head.

Postmedia is US owned; majority controlling interest by some NJ hedge fund called Chatham Asset Management Already bad enough that they control most of our ":Canadian" newspapers; no competition at all in most major cities. And all of it politically skewed ("center right", right, or far right - depending on what nameplate, with minimal to zero journalistic objectivity).

Online news content is not much better:
Who owns the top 10 news websites?
Postmedia (US) is 4 of those 10; Verizon (US) is another 1 or 2 of those 10. (Makes it clear why they want CBC to be dead and gone. If the #1 is arbitrarily killed off, who will be left to challenge them? Nobody of real importance.)

The others are owned by groups like CORUS, BCE/Bell, etc. - in other words, big shot families like Rogers', Shaws, Thomsons, Aspers, Peladeaus, etc. This is the part that gets swapped around in such merger deals & sales.

They should have said no to this deal. I hope they are serious about putting the boots to news content thieves like Google (Alphabet) & Facebook (Meta), but at the same time they should have said no to the Rogers / Shaw merger for reasons of content monopolies, not just competition among cellphone networks.

If the government was really serious about breaking the monopolistic control of media & telecoms, they would take a harder line on preventing data transmission companies (telecoms) from also owning & controlling sources of content, especially news.

No surprise that the private news media only focuses on "prices, prices, prices" when it talks about telecom monopolies - touching the other issue (ownership's control of content) is a 3rd rail that gets reporters zapped out of a job.

 

[Noob888]

Shaw has been a real shit-show recently. Many in Shaw management are transitioning to Freedom. As usual, only the investors and stakeholders are the winners with this merger. The public will see rates increase despite any agreements made. There are always loopholes/workarounds available for the big three, or any large corporation for that matter.

 

[Oldfart]

I so passionately detest the Shaw internet commercial that's currently running on TV (often in Global news) that I doubt I will ever again in my life purchase anything labeled Shaw.

 

[sensualsixty]

I so passionately detest the Shaw internet commercial that's currently running on TV (often in Global news) that I doubt I will ever again in my life purchase anything labeled Shaw.

That looks like a no risk proposition, since Shaw is now part of Rogers.

 

[Noob888]

I so passionately detest the Shaw internet commercial that's currently running on TV (often in Global news) that I doubt I will ever again in my life purchase anything labeled Shaw.

Lol. We have few options in Canada. The telecos mirror each other. If you have the big bucks, go ahead and buy Starlink from Musk. That way, you can rid yourself of Robelus.