Roberto a Canuck for Life

[aznboi9]

There was talk for days prior that it would be 4-6yr at 7.5-8.0mil. I am glad we did not get this.

Agreed, I would have been pissed if he got that as contract. But the 5.33 tells me that he at least gets that he needs to have a team in front of him.

Its kinda funny, I was listening to a sports radio show from Detroit of all places.
Callers were calling in. Mad as hornets cause Lou's contract isn't fair, and the Canucks are using loopholes to get him way cheaper than he's worth. How the NHL should investigate and cancel the contract, and fine the Canucks, and even take away our draft picks next year for doing this. It was really funny.

Yeah, I read that in that LeBrun guy's article and thought "What a load of BS". Everything was ok when every other team was doing it but now all of a sudden it's not because it's Vancouver? Especially ironic coming from Detroit since they're doing the same thing with Franzen and Zetterberg.

 

[BrokeBastard]

This guy is worth the money. Look at his playoff performances. TWO playoff rounds! Incredible!

And all his regular season hardware! Wow, all those Vezinas!

No doubt he's worth 64 million!

 

[Arrrg]

why are some of you arguing about the amount of money (except BJH cause he just likes to argue)? It's not like you're paying for it? And don't complain about ticket prices because there are hundreds, even thousands willing to pay more for them so it's basically "sucks to be you" if you can't afford them.

The great news about this is 5.33 mil cap hit, LOWER than what he's at now. That's all anyone should really care about. At 5.33 million, it leaves flexibility for other players to sign up. Another thing Gillis can do is do a Ken Holland, who promised Lidstrom he'd be the highest paid player on the team. Anyways, it doesn't matter. Ultimately, it's a great cap hit signing.

Yea there will be arguments about whether he's the goalie or not. How about this, Is Fleury a great goalie? Don't know yet and most don't really think so ever.... but he's got a cup and his cap hit is 5mil. Who would you rather have? Fleury or Luongo?

I love that we were able to steal ehrhoff and schneider going to look great on our PP. Huge upgrade on the puck moving ability, we're going to have a lot more options on the offence this year than watching the sedins circle in the corner!

 

[BJhunter]

why are some of you arguing about the amount of money (except BJH cause he just likes to argue)? It's not like you're paying for it? And don't complain about ticket prices because there are hundreds, even thousands willing to pay more for them so it's basically "sucks to be you" if you can't afford them.

The great news about this is 5.33 mil cap hit, LOWER than what he's at now. That's all anyone should really care about. At 5.33 million, it leaves flexibility for other players to sign up. Another thing Gillis can do is do a Ken Holland, who promised Lidstrom he'd be the highest paid player on the team. Anyways, it doesn't matter. Ultimately, it's a great cap hit signing.

Yea there will be arguments about whether he's the goalie or not. How about this, Is Fleury a great goalie? Don't know yet and most don't really think so ever.... but he's got a cup and his cap hit is 5mil. Who would you rather have? Fleury or Luongo?

I love that we were able to steal ehrhoff and schneider going to look great on our PP. Huge upgrade on the puck moving ability, we're going to have a lot more options on the offence this year than watching the sedins circle in the corner!

actually, it's not a big issue over this Lou's contract, the worst-kept secret in the past 3 weeks or so.

My biggest beef, as usual, are the bandwagons now all supporting Lou now; where the heck were they after the Chicago loss? It never ceases to amaze me how the suspension of the bandwagons can take the beating, of the fans constantly hopping on and off!!!

This team is slightly better now, but nothing to get excited about. Getting Ehrhoff & Schneider is what the expert has been saying from Day 1; almost every Cup champion had a decent QB on the PP, with the exceptioin of Carolina, unless I got confused with Wesley with Bourque

And obviously, sounding like a broken record, when we have the likes of Ohlund, Mitchell, Bieksa, Salo, as the "Top 4", with Edler's inconsistency, I'm sure now the bandwagons can see that now our defence CAN be IMPROVED, and not keep on sucking their good cocks...c'mon, give me a break, there was talk last year how we had the best defence in the NHL...LOL, give me a friggin' break...

 

[Arrrg]

And obviously, sounding like a broken record, when we have the likes of Ohlund, Mitchell, Bieksa, Salo, as the "Top 4", with Edler's inconsistency, I'm sure now the bandwagons can see that now our defence CAN be IMPROVED, and not keep on sucking their good cocks...c'mon, give me a break, there was talk last year how we had the best defence in the NHL...LOL, give me a friggin' break...

I never did understand why the media kept regarding our D as so great. It's nothing that special...

I'm more excited now with our D with a 40 year old schneider manning the point. That says something about my opinion of our group of Dmen in the past

 

[owz]

dude, why? i've been preaching that all year, Lou's not a playoff performer, yet...but i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, he'll eventually will get better and improve, and why wouldn't he? he's talented...but unlike 'Roy et al, he'll take longer to start winning series by himself...

A quick compilation of the average salaries of all the NHL starting goalies.

Henrik Lundqvist (NYR) - $6.75 million (age 27)
Ryan Miller (BUF) - $6.25 million (age 28)
JS Giguere (ANA) - $6 million (age 32)
Niklas Backstrom (MIN) - $6 million (age 31)
Mikka Kiprusoff (CGY) - $5.833 million (age 32)
Marty Turco (DAL) - $5.7 million (age 33)
Tomas Vokoun - $5.7 million (age 32)
Christobal Huet (CHI) - $5.625 million (age 33)
Roberto Luongo (VAN) - $5.42 million (age 30 based on $7.5+$63 for 13 years)
Evgeni Nabokov - $ 5.3 million (age 33)
Martin Bordeur (NJD) - $5.2 million (age 37 signed through 2012)
TimThomas (BOS) - $5 million (age 35)
Marc Andre Fleury (PIT) - $5 million (age 24)
Rick DiPietro (NYI) - $4.5 million (age 27)
Jose Theodore (WAS) - $ 4.5 million (age 32)

Other than sure fire Hall of Famer Bordeur, pray tell who else
on this list would you rather have taking the cap hit?
You pointed to Roy as an example of a goalie who can win
a series all by himself. Roy. Another sure fire Hall of Famer.
Roy. The 2nd winnest goalie ever. Any idea how much he
would be expected to command if he was in the prime of
his career? You can bet it's not 9th highest....

My biggest beef, as usual, are the bandwagons now all supporting Lou now; where the heck were they after the Chicago loss? It never ceases to amaze me how the suspension of the bandwagons can take the beating, of the fans constantly hopping on and off!!!

I've said all along that Luongo is one of the few goalies left
still playing that can get on an extended hot streak and win
games all by himself. It all comes down to having the right
timing. Catch lightning in a bottle, so to speak. The way I
see it, we have the next 5-8 years to roll the dice and see
if all the chips can fall into place.

 

[hunsperger]

...

Other than sure fire Hall of Famer Bordeur, pray tell who else
on this list would you rather have taking the cap hit?
You pointed to Roy as an example of a goalie who can win
a series all by himself. Roy. Another sure fire Hall of Famer.
Roy. The 2nd winnest goalie ever. Any idea how much he
would be expected to command if he was in the prime of
his career? You can bet it's not 9th highest....



I've said all along that Luongo is one of the few goalies left
still playing that can get on an extended hot streak and win
games all by himself. It all comes down to having the right
timing. Catch lightning in a bottle, so to speak. The way I
see it, we have the next 5-8 years to roll the dice and see
if all the chips can fall into place.

nothing substantive with the above quote...

the usual, "gee, I hope the Canucks win the Stanley Cup one day"...

additionally, your analysis is terribly flawed...

not to mention some of your assumptions...

 

[owz]

nothing substantive with the above quote...

the usual, "gee, I hope the Canucks win the Stanley Cup one day"...

additionally, your analysis is terribly flawed...

not to mention some of your assumptions...

Thank you for your enlightened and thought provoking response.

 

[cantthinkofname]

It's pretty simple, really. All u have to do is open yr eyes and see the pressure saves Hasek made when he won the Cup.

Don't recall Luo making those clutch saves against Anaheim or Chicago

All sarcasm & joking aside, let's take a deep breath and relax, and think about Lou's playoffs. Doesn't hv much to even compare him to the Roys, Brodeurs, that'll be insulting them.

What u have to ask yrself, Cantthinkofme, is why the fanatical defence of Lou when he hasn't done much in terms of playoffs. Sure, he's a great regular season goalie.

i am wondering if you are serious or just a troll? I'll give you the benefit and assume you are just new to Canada and know very very little about hockey. you said that Hasek won a Cup on his OWN, i then emphasized that the team in front of him when he won the Cup (you know, the time he actually played) was full of superstars, in fact NINE future hall-of-famers (Yzerman, Hull, Fedorov, Larionov, Lidstrom, Chelios, Datsyuk, Robitaille, Shanahan), as well as a Selke winner and Canadian Olympian (Draper). if he won the Cup on HIS OWN, why was the Conn Smythe awarded to some guy named Lidstrom who happened to win the award for best Dman in the league 5 times?

then you come though asking why I have a fanatical defence of Lou. What? i have not even mentioned him. I am not defending Lou, I am pointing out that it's hard to take your biased, anti-Canuck seriously when you are obviously completely unaware of the facts and pulling random arguments out of your ass (ie Hasek winning a cup on his own) to try to prove points.

but since you are so eager to talk about Luongo then fine, I will school you in this regard as well. You have repeatedly said he's only done well in the regular season. a) stupid comment because he's played extremely well in international play. b) let's take an UNBIASED look at the 4 series he's been involved in

Series 1: Dallas
- in game 1, his first playoff game, he gave up four goals (on 76 shots - the NHL record)
- in games 2-7 he gave up 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1 goals

Series 2: Anaheim
- in game 1, 2 days after finishing a 7 game series that saw three games go to overtime (1 went to 4 overtime periods), the Canucks travelled to Anaheim played against a Ducks team that had been finished for 6 days and at home waiting in Anaheim
- game 2 was won in double-overtime. Luongo gave up 1 goal
- games 3 and 4 were lost, Luongo gave up 3 goals in each. game 4 was lost in overtime
- game 5 was lost in double-overtime. Luongo gave up 2 goals. the winning goal was the direct result of his completely unprofessional loss of concentration
- overall from games 2-5 he gave up 9 goals in what amounts to more than 5 games of playing time

Series 3: St Louis
- 4 game sweep (only one in team history)
- Luongo gave up 1, 0, 2, 2 goals (total of 5 goals in 4+ games)
- in the 4th game, which went to overtime, Luongo made 47 saves on 49 shots

Series 4: Chicago
- game 1 was won 5-3. however the canucks had a 3-0 lead going into the 3rd and Luongo gave up 3 goals in 15 minutes to let it be tied 3-3
- game 2 luongo gave up 5, including 3 in a 7 minute span which lost the Canucks a 2-0 lead
- game 3 luongo gave up 1
- game 4 Luongo only gave up 2, however one was with 3 minutes left to tie it, and the other was 3 minutes into OT to win it. a win would have seen the Canucks have a stranglehold on the series
- game 5 Luongo gave up 3 including the powerplay winner with 5 minutes left
- game 6 Luongo gave up 7 including 3 in the final 7 minutes before which Canucks were winning 5-4

so, what have we learned? against Dallas he played STELLAR. against Anaheim, other than the first game (excusable) and the final 3 seconds of the last one (not excusable), he played WELL BUT NOT STELLAR. Against St Louis he played STELLAR. Against Chicago he played inconsistently for the first five games, on average he played OKAY in this span, and he played TERRIBLY in the final game. throughout this series, he gave up goals at key moments in games.

Total, he has had 2 amazing series, 1 terrible series, and 1 in between. in total, his playoff GAA is 2.09 and his S% is .928. These numbers are better than Roy's and worse than Brodeur's.

All in all, it is retarded to say that Luongo is a "proven" playoff performer, but it is also retarded to say that he is playoff choker. I'm not sure which is more retarded but it is not of the utmost concern to me.

since I am already in the process of educating you, I will drop some more knowledge for you (that you are likely unaware of, as a recent immigrant to our fair nation). Until 1997, Steve Yzerman was widely regarded as a guy who could perform in the regular season but would choke in the playoffs. He was 32 in 1997. Luongo is 30 and has a lot of career left in front of him.

 

[Obelisk]

i am wondering if you are serious or just a troll? I'll give you the benefit and assume you are just new to Canada and know very very little about hockey. you said that Hasek won a Cup on his OWN, i then emphasized that the team in front of him when he won the Cup (you know, the time he actually played) was full of superstars, in fact NINE future hall-of-famers (Yzerman, Hull, Fedorov, Larionov, Lidstrom, Chelios, Datsyuk, Robitaille, Shanahan), as well as a Selke winner and Canadian Olympian (Draper). if he won the Cup on HIS OWN, why was the Conn Smythe awarded to some guy named Lidstrom who happened to win the award for best Dman in the league 5 times?

then you come though asking why I have a fanatical defence of Lou. What? i have not even mentioned him. I am not defending Lou, I am pointing out that it's hard to take your biased, anti-Canuck seriously when you are obviously completely unaware of the facts and pulling random arguments out of your ass (ie Hasek winning a cup on his own) to try to prove points.

but since you are so eager to talk about Luongo then fine, I will school you in this regard as well. You have repeatedly said he's only done well in the regular season. a) stupid comment because he's played extremely well in international play. b) let's take an UNBIASED look at the 4 series he's been involved in

Series 1: Dallas
- in game 1, his first playoff game, he gave up four goals (on 76 shots - the NHL record)
- in games 2-7 he gave up 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1 goals

Series 2: Anaheim
- in game 1, 2 days after finishing a 7 game series that saw three games go to overtime (1 went to 4 overtime periods), the Canucks travelled to Anaheim played against a Ducks team that had been finished for 6 days and at home waiting in Anaheim
- game 2 was won in double-overtime. Luongo gave up 1 goal
- games 3 and 4 were lost, Luongo gave up 3 goals in each. game 4 was lost in overtime
- game 5 was lost in double-overtime. Luongo gave up 2 goals. the winning goal was the direct result of his completely unprofessional loss of concentration
- overall from games 2-5 he gave up 9 goals in what amounts to more than 5 games of playing time

Series 3: St Louis
- 4 game sweep (only one in team history)
- Luongo gave up 1, 0, 2, 2 goals (total of 5 goals in 4+ games)
- in the 4th game, which went to overtime, Luongo made 47 saves on 49 shots

Series 4: Chicago
- game 1 was won 5-3. however the canucks had a 3-0 lead going into the 3rd and Luongo gave up 3 goals in 15 minutes to let it be tied 3-3
- game 2 luongo gave up 5, including 3 in a 7 minute span which lost the Canucks a 2-0 lead
- game 3 luongo gave up 1
- game 4 Luongo only gave up 2, however one was with 3 minutes left to tie it, and the other was 3 minutes into OT to win it. a win would have seen the Canucks have a stranglehold on the series
- game 5 Luongo gave up 3 including the powerplay winner with 5 minutes left
- game 6 Luongo gave up 7 including 3 in the final 7 minutes before which Canucks were winning 5-4

so, what have we learned? against Dallas he played STELLAR. against Anaheim, other than the first game (excusable) and the final 3 seconds of the last one (not excusable), he played WELL BUT NOT STELLAR. Against St Louis he played STELLAR. Against Chicago he played inconsistently for the first five games, on average he played OKAY in this span, and he played TERRIBLY in the final game. throughout this series, he gave up goals at key moments in games.

Total, he has had 2 amazing series, 1 terrible series, and 1 in between. in total, his playoff GAA is 2.09 and his S% is .928. These numbers are better than Roy's and worse than Brodeur's.

All in all, it is retarded to say that Luongo is a "proven" playoff performer, but it is also retarded to say that he is playoff choker. I'm not sure which is more retarded but it is not of the utmost concern to me.

since I am already in the process of educating you, I will drop some more knowledge for you (that you are likely unaware of, as a recent immigrant to our fair nation). Until 1997, Steve Yzerman was widely regarded as a guy who could perform in the regular season but would choke in the playoffs. He was 32 in 1997. Luongo is 30 and has a lot of career left in front of him.

Until Luongo wins a cup he still sucks.

 

[BJhunter]

Thank you for your enlightened and thought provoking response.

Yup, the bandwagons are back in full force, just getting ready for the fall season at Richmond's Coast League...better double-tape those ankles ))

 

[Karl Blues]

i am wondering if you are serious or just a troll? I'll give you the benefit and assume you are just new to Canada and know very very little about hockey. you said that Hasek won a Cup on his OWN, i then emphasized that the team in front of him when he won the Cup (you know, the time he actually played) was full of superstars, in fact NINE future hall-of-famers (Yzerman, Hull, Fedorov, Larionov, Lidstrom, Chelios, Datsyuk, Robitaille, Shanahan), as well as a Selke winner and Canadian Olympian (Draper). if he won the Cup on HIS OWN, why was the Conn Smythe awarded to some guy named Lidstrom who happened to win the award for best Dman in the league 5 times?

then you come though asking why I have a fanatical defence of Lou. What? i have not even mentioned him. I am not defending Lou, I am pointing out that it's hard to take your biased, anti-Canuck seriously when you are obviously completely unaware of the facts and pulling random arguments out of your ass (ie Hasek winning a cup on his own) to try to prove points.

but since you are so eager to talk about Luongo then fine, I will school you in this regard as well. You have repeatedly said he's only done well in the regular season. a) stupid comment because he's played extremely well in international play. b) let's take an UNBIASED look at the 4 series he's been involved in

Series 1: Dallas
- in game 1, his first playoff game, he gave up four goals (on 76 shots - the NHL record)
- in games 2-7 he gave up 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1 goals

Series 2: Anaheim
- in game 1, 2 days after finishing a 7 game series that saw three games go to overtime (1 went to 4 overtime periods), the Canucks travelled to Anaheim played against a Ducks team that had been finished for 6 days and at home waiting in Anaheim
- game 2 was won in double-overtime. Luongo gave up 1 goal
- games 3 and 4 were lost, Luongo gave up 3 goals in each. game 4 was lost in overtime
- game 5 was lost in double-overtime. Luongo gave up 2 goals. the winning goal was the direct result of his completely unprofessional loss of concentration
- overall from games 2-5 he gave up 9 goals in what amounts to more than 5 games of playing time

Series 3: St Louis
- 4 game sweep (only one in team history)
- Luongo gave up 1, 0, 2, 2 goals (total of 5 goals in 4+ games)
- in the 4th game, which went to overtime, Luongo made 47 saves on 49 shots

Series 4: Chicago
- game 1 was won 5-3. however the canucks had a 3-0 lead going into the 3rd and Luongo gave up 3 goals in 15 minutes to let it be tied 3-3
- game 2 luongo gave up 5, including 3 in a 7 minute span which lost the Canucks a 2-0 lead
- game 3 luongo gave up 1
- game 4 Luongo only gave up 2, however one was with 3 minutes left to tie it, and the other was 3 minutes into OT to win it. a win would have seen the Canucks have a stranglehold on the series
- game 5 Luongo gave up 3 including the powerplay winner with 5 minutes left
- game 6 Luongo gave up 7 including 3 in the final 7 minutes before which Canucks were winning 5-4

so, what have we learned? against Dallas he played STELLAR. against Anaheim, other than the first game (excusable) and the final 3 seconds of the last one (not excusable), he played WELL BUT NOT STELLAR. Against St Louis he played STELLAR. Against Chicago he played inconsistently for the first five games, on average he played OKAY in this span, and he played TERRIBLY in the final game. throughout this series, he gave up goals at key moments in games.

Total, he has had 2 amazing series, 1 terrible series, and 1 in between. in total, his playoff GAA is 2.09 and his S% is .928. These numbers are better than Roy's and worse than Brodeur's.

All in all, it is retarded to say that Luongo is a "proven" playoff performer, but it is also retarded to say that he is playoff choker. I'm not sure which is more retarded but it is not of the utmost concern to me.

since I am already in the process of educating you, I will drop some more knowledge for you (that you are likely unaware of, as a recent immigrant to our fair nation). Until 1997, Steve Yzerman was widely regarded as a guy who could perform in the regular season but would choke in the playoffs. He was 32 in 1997. Luongo is 30 and has a lot of career left in front of him.

Save your breath. He's a troll. It doesn't matter what facts or stats you bring out.

 

[BJhunter]

since I am already in the process of educating you, I will drop some more knowledge for you (that you are likely unaware of, as a recent immigrant to our fair nation). Until 1997, Steve Yzerman was widely regarded as a guy who could perform in the regular season but would choke in the playoffs. He was 32 in 1997. Luongo is 30 and has a lot of career left in front of him.

Tsk, Tsk, now it's my turn to educate you.

This comparison to Yzerman'd a joke, how dare you insulty Steve Y! At least he didn't choke twice, he never would've done that stupid mental lapse in OT against Anaheim. He's a real captain.

But seriously, what you're forgetting is the Canucks curse. You have the poor mentality, the culture, the legacy of destructive management drafting and trades (albeit that other teams, like Detroit, had their dark days too, but a real manager like Holland knows what he's doing), thus everyone in this city knows the common phrase learned from kindergarten, "Canucks suck". I'm telling you this since you're an immigrant; I remember kids in high school knowing that the Nucks will blow a 3rd period lead, saying, "Oh, Canucks suck, no big deal, we knew that..."

This team loses 3-1 series leads to Minnesota faster than you jumping off the Lou bandwagon in Game 6 against Chicago. And yes, the media does use that as a measuring stick, which is good for US, will serve as a lightning motivator as Lou has self-admitted.

So, you stand incorrect, Lou's is a playoff choker. Never mind the regular season or international play, winning the Stanley Cup is the only measurement of NHL success.

Screw your regular season stats, you're making me blush

 

[BJhunter]

THIS

BJhunter needs to learn how the new CBA works.

The cap hit for the ENTIRE term of the contract will be 5.33 million per season. So even though Luongo will make $10 million two seasons from now his cap hit for that season will still be 5.33 mil.

Of course I know that, the Canucks are over the cap as we speak by $3 million. Actually, with all the out clauses, I don't think Lou will be here longer than 5 years. As long as a team has losing sisters like we do, to rely on the playoff grind, we ain't going to get past the 2nd round.

Unless Bobby plays like Roy in ALL FOUR rounds, not just the 1st one. And who are we kidding here, what did Louie really do against the Blues? Hardly an opponent.

But i'm willing to move on and see what this season holds, shld be exciting to see the bandwagons buy new shoes, just in time for the back to school savings

 

[owz]

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[bartendr]

That's an entire different conversation. MLB is a different beast because there is no salary cap.

I believe there is.

 

[Inamorato]

I believe there is.

Baseball does technically have a salary cap, but it's a joke.
Teams can spend whatever they want, but they are penalized for going over the cap.
They pay a tax to MLB, which escalates in amount depending on how much over the cap they are. The Yankees are paying 27 million this year in cap related penalties.

The cap itself is $155 Million, and only the Yankees and Tigers are over that amount this season. The Yanks have been over the cap every year, and obviously aren't phased by paying an extra 20-30 mil/yr.

 

[BJhunter]

until luongo wins a cup he still sucks.

totally agree!!!!