Ripoff Conspiracy in "the Business"

[sandy]

We had a very unfortunate incident at Supreme today. A fellow came in with a deliberate plan to rip off his sp and somewhat succeeded. When he was leaving without paying her, she shouted out to me for help and I, Leah and Luv detained him. An idiot like this should be very afraid of our united force In fact he was literally sweating profusely, though he could have easily overpowered any one of us. Warning: we are formidable and not to be underestimated I say this tongue in cheek, but I have put myself in harms way for lesser offences in defense of a girl and succeded, so just imagine the 3 of us! This is going to be a nightmare for him for a very long while I suspect. I emphasize that we won't take this kind of behavior laying down. (the obvious jokes I can already hear)

The police were called and responded to the studio where the goof was taken away and detained in the officer's car. The long and the short of the police involvement was, this fellow WILL be dealt with! The sp was also handed over all of the guys personal information that the cop verified to be true. The officer was very helpful! Further this officer went on to reveal to us that this creep was coached by a group of his friends on how to rip off a girl! The coaching was somewhat adequate but the specifics I won't go into for obvious reasons. It seems that not only are these incidents on the rise by individuals, but groups of guys are coaching one another!!!!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!!!!

I am warning any individuals who may be reading this and considering doing the same, that the police are sympathetic to us and doing this may become a decision that you will forever regret.

To all the girls in our community, here is his description. He is about 24 yrs. old, and a university student from Italy. Although he is Italian and can speak the language, he appeared to me to be more Middle Eastern or even Pakistani in a way. I am not assuming that all his friends are of similar ethnicity but it seems that they would probably be in the same general age category.

This is so unfortunate on so many levels. To the gentlemen who are the majority that we meet I apologize in advance. It is incidents like these that compel the ladies to ask for money up front. I find that to be an uncomfortable practice for myself however I may have to rethink it when dealing with first timers. Thanks for letting me vent and any ladies that choose, should feel free to contact me if they have any questions[/SIZE]

 

[threepeat]

Can you just require money up front? Maybe this would help

There is a bit of a stigma in Edmonton against SPs asking for money up front. The theory goes that once the SP has the money, she no longer has incentive to give a good session. I personally don't mind paying the money at the start or the finish, since I figure I'm out of it anyway, nor have I personally noticed any difference in service based on when I paid. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if this road ran both ways.

Sorry to hear about the scumbag, Sandy. We haven't met but you seem like nothing but class.

 

[FortunateOne]

Can you just require money up front? Maybe this would help

I thought that after this had been reported so frequently lately that this would have already been the policy

 

[jim]

Good on you Sandy!!

It's a bloody shame that such scum thinks that this is okay. Unfortunately scams of all sorts tend to rise in numbers when economic fortunes take a downturn. This is not an excuse but a fact. As consumers and suppliers of goods and services we must all do our due diligence to protect ourselves.

Keep up the good work!

 

[trawler]

Good for you Sandy ...

I know Nikita and Maylee sudued a thief once at MMC. Please be careful, and make sure you backoff if the individual gets too "NUTTY". We don't want anything to happen to any of you.

The economy probably has caused an increase in this kind of behaviour. Good idea to ensure that everyone starts collecting from new clients up front. Regulars can be treated different. Clients will understand if you tell them why, and if they don't, they are not worth seeing.

I am glad evrything worked out and it is nice to see the Boys in Blue, support the Good Gals for once.

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

I think it's great that you guys called the cops, it's about time some of you girls did this.
Legally he still owes you the legit one hour room fee which has nothing to do with sex but you can get him on not paying that.

Yea there is a big stigma about paying upfront before sessions so it's tricky for girls to ask for it before hand in the mp situation as some guys have not yet decided if it's going to be just a HJ, BJ, FS or GFE. Where as escorts only offer 1 hour fs/GFE with the only extra being Greek if even it is offered.
Also some girls can seem pushy in a MP if they right away ask a guy so what do you want?

 

[trentanator]

i agree with the others

please be careful when doing the confrontation thing


we definately do not want anything to happen to you fine ladies

Yes I sort of know what is like to be in your girl's shoes when the rip-off happens

not the whole thing like you do go through but i do have a bit of an idea

guys dont get offended if the girl asks for money upfront

just get the details of the session agreed on by both parties and the tip and then off to the races!

i feel this is not a big deal at all

 

[HorseBoyLive]

I always have offered money up front unless I am with a regular. I find that this takes a little of the tension out of the session. If the SP performs badly afterward, well they have just lost a repeat customer. That's got to hurt them in the long run.

Of course there was one session where I almost walked on a regular out without paying. To my defense, that was her fault... I was barely able to walk afterward, much less think

Horse Boy

 

[frankxxx]

I like to pay upfront as well. It sometimes takes 30-40 mins to count the change with the sp. You know to separate the loonies from the quarters ect. But I think they really enjoy the counting game with me. Sometimes when the session is over I'll dig deep into a pocket and pull out an extra toonie and flip it in the air, They always laugh and wink at me. Oh that crazy toonie guy. he's so funny.. that's what they must be thinking.

 

[wickedwillie]

yes creepy

Women should never work out of thier homes either. For God sakes rent another location! You do not want men knowing where you live. That's creepy! With the kind of money that us women make there is no reason why we should'nt be able to afford a 2nd location to work from and prepare for our safety as well.

Just some food for thought

agreed

and guys never get a SP to come to your home for a incall (rent a hotel room)
thats just creepy knowing some of these SP's know where you live. With the money some of us guys make and the huge expensive houses we live in, and the expensive electronics with have in house, never know when one of these SP's are on a crack binge with their PIMP boyfriends and need some cash and decide to make a B & E

being I am gone half the year on consulting jobs this is a no-go

 

[htowns]

Hey Sandy I feel terrible that you and other SP's have to go through this, why do we have such A-Holes in this world? I think for sure its time to ask for the money upfront so this does not happen. I dont care if there is a suppose "stigma" about paying upfront. If you dont like It thats too bad get used to it.

I think also If all MP's and SP's were to follow suit with asking upfront It becomes the norm and everyone will understand thats the law.

There is a reason why we have reviews here so you have an idea what an SP is like or just ask her yourself If you questions, so there is no reason at all to feel uneasy about giving the money upfront because you know what ur getting and thats it. I always give the money upfront myself, and that always puts me at ease

 

[westcoast555]

Youve got to be kidding... ! ?

There is a bit of a stigma in Edmonton against SPs asking for money up front. The theory goes that once the SP has the money, she no longer has incentive to give a good session. I personally don't mind paying the money at the start or the finish, since I figure I'm out of it anyway, nor have I personally noticed any difference in service based on when I paid. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if this road ran both ways.

Sorry to hear about the scumbag, Sandy. We haven't met but you seem like nothing but class.

I've dabbled on and off with seeing pros since I was 15 and I've never had a problem with paying up front. In some cases when I know the girl I've left it afterward but it's always assumed that you pay first.

 

[FortunateOne]

I like to pay upfront as well. It sometimes takes 30-40 mins to count the change with the sp. You know to separate the loonies from the quarters ect. But I think they really enjoy the counting game with me. Sometimes when the session is over I'll dig deep into a pocket and pull out an extra toonie and flip it in the air, They always laugh and wink at me. Oh that crazy toonie guy. he's so funny.. that's what they must be thinking.

I'm sure that is what they are thinking.


For the mps, I don't think there is anything wrong with taking it out of the sp's hands and state that it is the policy of the establishment for clients to prepay. Period. End of debate, and not something that has to make anyone explain, apologize or feel uncomfortable about.

How much more relaxed is the session going to be on her part if she already knows she isn't going to get ripped off like this, or "wallet in the car" (damn stupid excuse, who leaves their money in their vehicle -- that is a dumb thing to do), etc.

 

[oilfieldtrash]

I have never been asked for money up front but It would not matter to me. It is completely understandable. Like really what does it matter to me if I pay before or after. Ya still gotta give her the money. I think it is a good idea, whatever makes her comfortable.


Cheers!!

 

[Adriana✿]

Always pay before they can play. Its so strange that Edmonton is the only city where this isn't the norm. I once had an edmonton review saying i was all business, just because I insisted on paying up front. Strange.


Glad you called the police!

So many girls are hurt or ripped off and afraid to call them. They have helped me a few times with no judgment. I was even on crime stoppers once, which helped catch him

 

[Harmony-bc]

I would actually give way worse service, if I had to collect the money after. I would spend the whole time, thinking he was pulling some scam. If I completely trusted him (rare, lol), then I'd be saying to myself, don't forget to collect the money,(over and over in my head, lol). I would not be able to relax, laugh naturally or anything. It is a very weird way to run a cash business.

 

[namssa]

YOU'VE got to be kidding

I've dabbled on and off with seeing pros since I was 15 and I've never had a problem with paying up front. In some cases when I know the girl I've left it afterward but it's always assumed that you pay first.

It is NEVER assumed that you pay up front. In this game nothing should be "assumed", everything should be laid out in the open before any activities begin. I have seen girls in other cities, I have seen travelling girls and rarely do I get asked to pay up front.

Threepeat said, "I personally don't mind paying the money at the start or the finish".
I have no problem paying up front or paying afterward either, it is all pretty much the same for me. If you research the girl and have contacted her and built a rapport of some sort, you are pretty much assured of a good time.

 

[Harmony-bc]

The recession has only been around for a little bit. People have been ripping people off for centuries. If you are hungry and lost your job, you might shoplift from a grocery store for a loaf of bread, or even rob a bank, that would make sense in a recession.

If you go to rob an sp, that has nothing to do with recession and all to do with sp's being easy targets, because....

1. Some men don't think of it as the same as stealing. We are just hookers. What's the big deal, getting some free sex. Come on its fun. That's why you get University students pulling shit like this, that have never broken any other laws in their life.

2. A lot of people are under the impression what we do is illegal. They think we can't call the police. How wrong they are. In the States if a girl calls the police for anything, chances are she will be arrested for prostitution at the same time. You can go to jail for years for prostitution in some states Thank God, I live in Canada!

3. Some people do not see sp's as in the same class as their mother, sister, or even female friend. You can even read some of the reviews and comments in the lounge to find out how low some people consider sp's or maybe its just women they don't like.

Always, always, always ask for the money up front. I remember a while ago, some girl was saying that she got tipped better asking for it after. I get tipped all the time. I always ask for the money up front, but most of the time, I don't have to, because it is just handed to me, or laid in plain sight somewhere. I get tipped, just because I am nice and good at what I do. That remains the same whether I get paid before or after.

I am sorry this happened to you and you had to go through this. Edmonton is the only city that has this recurring problem, though. You're mental well being and comfort is more important than some guy's opinion or 2 minutes of discomfort. Anyways, be safe over there in Edmonton

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

The non Edmonton girls simply don't get it.
The MP girls can't ask for money up fron since 90% of the time neither guy or girl know when the session starts what it will be as I said.
If your selling HJ, nude, nude reverse, BJ, Sex, GFE Sex it's not easy to be standing there and ask a guy who is about to hop in the shower so what do you want?
This is how a MP works.
Guy walks in
picks girl (if he did not have one in mind before)
girl starts shower for him and she goes to fill out an appointment book
girl comes back guy sitting naked on table
girl starts massage

now guy and girl chat a bit while massage goes on and the girl will ask what he wants, guy gives anwser
session proceeds
finish up
guy showers/girl showers
guy gets dressed
guy pays

where in this process do you see a good moment to pay besides the end?

I'm a guy who always goes FS so personally not an issue for me to pay first but many guys only want a HJ or BJ or might decide to bump up higher so paying first won't work.

Fact of the matter is it's kind of a mood killer to have to get up and go over to your pants in the middle of the session and pay the girl.
Girls will get ripped off but that's just a sad part of the buissness.
You can't compare MPA to escorts. It is a very different experience.

Edmonton has 30 good MPAs for every 1 good local escort.
Also paying after the act is very much the norm in other countries.

Also at the end of the day LESS MPAs get ripped off than escorts because a MP has cameras, 2-3 other girls working which does decrease the odds of a guy being willing to rip a girl off.
There are far more posts about escorts being ripped off, guys shorting them since the escort is usually alone in a hotel room.

Girls who are not from Edmonton can say what they want but fact of the matter is out of all the cities on PERB/TERB/MERB Edmonton has the best system and the best accountability from the guys point of view.

 

[Harmony-bc]

I have worked in many massage parlors. I have always been paid up front. Where they had different prices for different services. Most people know what they want before they walk in the door. You want a bj, it is this much, sex this much, etc. I know how it works. I also know the present Edmonton way makes the girls an easy target. You could always pay for a blowjob, then if it goes further, pay her after. I have done that a zillion times, working in parlors. I always figure in my head that at least if he decides not to pay me, at least I have some money. This way, she has no money if the guy decides to make a run for it.

I have worked at la mirage, swedish touch, platinum club, and quite a few places that are closed now. I have also worked all over Canada, in other type establishments. Get paid first is the number one rule every where in Canada except in Asian micros and Edmonton.