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RIP Amy Winhouse!!

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Blessed with a beautiful voice. The world lost another talented music artist at the age of 27. RIP Amy Winehouse. :nod:
 

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It sucks that people choose to give negative opinions in a thread that is meant as a eulogy to a deceased public figure.
I find it rude and offensive, actually.

This is the most appropriate time to remember what your mamma taught you. If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
 

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You have your opinion. Others have their own and they are just as entitled to share them. You seem to jump in a lot and whine about negativity, but then feel free to insult others in threads when it suits you. Does that sound like hypocrisy? It does to me. I find that rude and offensive. Bet that statement makes as much impact on you as your whining about being nice to spoiled, dead junkies does on me, rintin6 and many others. Amy Winehouse was a junkie who avoided any help she was given. Her death was a matter of time, not a tragic event. Avoiding that reality cause it's not nice is simply naive. Countless people have conquered addiction, celebrate them. Celebrate the ones who want to quit but don't have access to millions of dollars to pay for treatment. Better yet, help them seek out and pay for their treatment if you are so moved. However, stop lauding the pathetic millionaire who essentially committed suicide. There's nothing to see there past a cautionary example. Make note and move on.
Really? I insult others here?
As far as I remember the most recent insult was to a troll who's handle ended in 14. I said he was probably 14 years old. Everyone else saw him as a troll too and said a lot worse. I think he was banned eventually. As for other insults? I recall NONE. I'm not here to promote insulting behaviour. As a matter of fact I try to encourage enlightened, forward thinking, positive behaviour. I'm sorry if this is insulting to you.

And as far as a thread that is meant as a eulogy, (hence the title, RIP), one should behave in a manner that is fitting for a funeral. I saw a thread here a while back about Peter Falk, and it was annoying to see anther member saying he was a terrible actor. These statements can be true, so what? They are unnecessary. The fact remains, the person is dead. Why tear apart their life or their talent after they're gone, in this kind of thread? It's just disrespectful to a fellow human being, plain and simple. And if you think that is an insult, so be it, I suppose.

The thing is, many public figures are 'loved', for whatever reason. We live in a world where we are exposed to media where these people become familiar to us. They act in parts that resonate something special, they sing songs in ways we appreciate. We 'love' them because they remind us of something special or teach us something. It's silly, really, but we have feelings for them, and we may feel a bit connected to them somewhat. They could feel like an old friend who is always there at the touch of the play button on their iPod.

When these people pass on, we are sad. They've been a part of our lives, however small, and we will miss them, even if they haven't put out an album in years, or made the Princess Bride 2. We'll miss them and be sad knowing they are gone and there is no chance of experiencing anything new from them again--- even though they chose not to control their disease of addiction, or did something else that hastened their passing.

The fact is, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people are mourning her passing. Why can't people let others mourn without stomping all over them, telling them they shouldn't mourn because she wasn't worth anything? It's hurtful and mean and unnecessary.
 
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Funny, just a week or two ago I was talking with my 13 year old daughter and we were wondering who would die first, Lindsay Lohan or Charlie Sheen, I added Amy Winehouse to the list and my daughter picked her to be the first. But neither or us really wanted them to die, and neither of us thought the first of those three would die about a week or two later.

I knew there was trouble when she was singing "don't want to go to rehab" ..I mean wtf?? ..anyone singing a song like that is in a world of trouble.

Very sad, but unfortunately, very predictable.
 

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You have your opinion. Others have their own and they are just as entitled to share them. You seem to jump in a lot and whine about negativity, but then feel free to insult others in threads when it suits you. Does that sound like hypocrisy? It does to me. I find that rude and offensive. Bet that statement makes as much impact on you as your whining about being nice to spoiled, dead junkies does on me, rintin6 and many others. Amy Winehouse was a junkie who avoided any help she was given. Her death was a matter of time, not a tragic event. Avoiding that reality cause it's not nice is simply naive. Countless people have conquered addiction, celebrate them. Celebrate the ones who want to quit but don't have access to millions of dollars to pay for treatment. Better yet, help them seek out and pay for their treatment if you are so moved. However, stop lauding the pathetic millionaire who essentially committed suicide. There's nothing to see there past a cautionary example. Make note and move on.
Solving addiction has nothing to do with wealth. Some can overcome it and some can't.

My dad died from being an alcoholic all his life. I won't bore you with the shit involved in growing up in that environment, but anyway it took me a long time to realize that it wasn't his fault.

Yes they are slowing or perhaps even quickly committing suicide, but whether you are sympathetic with their plight or not, it's not something they were able to overcome. Essentially it's a disease they have, not a choice they've made.
 

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A "One hit wonder"??

Hilarious!

She was a hit machine!


From Wikipedia -

Winehouse's 2003 debut album, Frank, was critically successful in the UK and was nominated for the Mercury Prize. Her 2006 follow-up album, Back to Black, led to six Grammy Award nominations and five wins, tying the then record for the most wins by a female artist in a single night, and made Winehouse the first British female to win five Grammys,[3][4] including three of the "Big Four": Best New Artist, Record of the Year and Song of the Year. On 14 February 2007, she won a BRIT Award for Best British Female Artist; she had also been nominated for Best British Album. She won the Ivor Novello Award three times, one in 2004 for Best Contemporary Song (musically and lyrically) for "Stronger Than Me", one in 2007 for Best Contemporary Song for "Rehab", and one in 2008 for Best Song Musically and Lyrically for "Love Is a Losing Game", among other distinctions. The album was the third biggest seller of the 2000s in the United Kingdom.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Winehouse
 
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When someone is a one hit machine, they have one poppy song and a whole bunch of album filler songs (Vanilla Ice). You cannot find a song by Amy, that is just album filler. Everything thing she sang, she put passion into. She was incredibly talented. She had an amazing voice. I'm sad shes gone.

Rest in peace, beautiful :(
 

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Um, sorry dude, but she's a one hit wonder. One hit single from one hit album. Lots of great albums only have one single, but because the rest of the songs are nice/good/wonderful doesn't make them anything more than a one-hit wonder. I don't make the rules. From wikipedia as well:

A one-hit wonder is a person or act known mainly for only a single success. The term is most often used to describe music performers with only one hit single.

http://www.billboard.com/artist/amy...83#/artist/amy-winehouse/chart-history/567383

Rehab peaked at #9 in the US, her only top 40 single. Back to Black the album made it to #2. The grammys were all for that album. The rest of her career is shit in the USA, sorry. The UK doesn't count, we live in North America. Not my rules, the music industry defines success as success in the USA. Who has even heard of the Mercury prize or the Ivor Novello award? It was her total failure to follow-up on Back to Black that led to the escalation of her addictions, or so several of the apologists claim. It's tragic she died, but enough with the canonization.
The music industry defines success as success in the USA? Thats deep man. I take it you mean the American music industry defines success as success in the USA. Wow, ya think? And what are these 'rules' you mention all about?

Who has ever heard of the Mercury Prize or the Ivor's? Not you, obviously; yet your ignorance of internationally recognized awards ceremony's presented by the British Academy of Songwriters, Composers and Authors means that they "don't count". I see.

By the strict definition of 'one hit wonder', she'd be joining a list that includes Rush, Frank Zappa, Grateful Dead, Faith No More, Devo, Queensrÿche, Jimi Hendrix, Lou Reed, Janis Joplin, Iggy Pop, Bo Diddley, Randy Newman, Siouxsie and the Banshees, The White Stripes, Beck, et al.

Defining someone as a 'one hit wonder' as a derogatory distinction (ie. 'flash in the pan', which I believe was your original intention) rather than a statistical fact regarding a performers one-time placement on the Billboard Top 100 (or 40, depending on who you're talking to) is merely an opinion.
 

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put aside the addictions and life style she was a person and deserves respect and dignity. Not to be degraded as a low life drug addict.

IMHO.
That was a lovely post, Angie. I do think that the problem is that people see drug addicts as 'low-life' in a disgusted, mean spirited, derogatory way.

It IS true that addiction creates another level of life, which can easily be seen as low. They are desperate humans who are willing to do anything to get the next fix even if that means stealing or hurting others. This is a very low place to be, spiritually, and the only thing I can do from afar is to thank freaking god I am not them, and have been blessed to not find myself in the predicaments that they did that brought them to that low place.

The thing is, how can you say that You, yourself, would not have been exactly in the same position if you had had exactly the same things happen to you in your life. Most of the MOST important things that shape your life happen by age 5. That's right AGE 5. How many people here can say honestly we have any control at all over our lives at that age??? It is only by luck and chance that you were born into the family that you have, into the socio-economic level, into the neighbourhood you lived in. It is by luck and chance that you had the right influences, and missed the very bad ones. It is by luck and chance that you developed a sense of self-esteem that made you want to be good to yourself and care for others around you.

Compassion is something some people have never had the fortune to develop in themselves. Those of us who have it are very lucky as we can feel even more grateful for the amazingly abundant lives we lead.
 

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Okay. That makes it official. I'm an old man. When I heard the news the Amy Winehouse had died my first tought was "Who the fuck is Amy Winehouse?" I don't ever recall even hearing her name before.
 
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'suicide is the severest form of self criticism' - alfred e. neuman in mad magazine sometime in the early 70's
i used to think that statement was some kind of a sick joke, but now that I know a bit more about addictions and the destructive power of poor self image, i realize how true it is...

^^ the picture on the right is how she really looked - the picture on the left is how she probably saw herself, and the power of that self-visualization was so strong that eventually she arrived there... and even worse...
 

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the picture on the right is how she really looked - the picture on the left is how she probably saw herself, and the power of that self-visualization was so strong that eventually she arrived there... and even worse...

Where can I find out more about this kind of psychology? It's a little unsettling as I've got someone very close to me showing the signs.

It's too tidy to say the drugs killed her. What I'm realizing is that the 'drugs' didn't kill her... She killed her. The drugs were simply a tool of self destruction. I guess you could change the old adage to "Drugs dont kill people, people do". Or is that going to far? I mean you can yell at kids all day to "say no to drugs", but then theres nowhere near the encouragement for them to get help if they hate themselves. If anything, society teaches people to have low self-esteem. Especially women.

Her poor self image was the root of the problem, and the drugs, any drugs, sufficed to calm the disgust in herself. Eh I'm no doctor. I just want, no NEED to find out more about this.
 

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the picture on the right is how she really looked - the picture on the left is how she probably saw herself, and the power of that self-visualization was so strong that eventually she arrived there... and even worse...

Where can I find out more about this kind of psychology? It's a little unsettling as I've got someone very close to me showing the signs.

It's too tidy to say the drugs killed her. What I'm realizing is that the 'drugs' didn't kill her... She killed her. The drugs were simply a tool of self destruction. I guess you could change the old adage to "Drugs dont kill people, people do". Or is that going to far? I mean you can yell at kids all day to "say no to drugs", but then theres nowhere near the encouragement for them to get help if they hate themselves. If anything, society teaches people to have low self-esteem. Especially women.

Her poor self image was the root of the problem, and the drugs, any drugs, sufficed to calm the disgust in herself. Eh I'm no doctor. I just want, no NEED to find out more about this.
it's distilled from a lifetime of observation and reading - not something that comes in a primer to my knowledge. but in this day and age - google is your friend!

however, a book by patrick carne was particularly eye-opening for me. he wrote a few dealing with different types of addictions, but they all boil down to the same thing. google the name. get back to me after you've researched it a bit if you like
 
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