Time to unload Apple. Iphone is dead. The new Samsung innovations unveiled this month kills it dead dead dead. Apple is behind the curve. Marketing won't help. Nothing new on Apple's horizon that the others already haven't got. $45 billion in cash, but nowhere to spend it. Job's vision is not replaced by anyone at Apple. Where's Woz? Speech recognition is the hot spot - Star Trek's talking computer lives.
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Yes there was some big money to be made in Put on Apple .. if you could get off the assumption that they would go back up any time now .. $60 drop in a day . $250 drop in 8 months..No I did not have any ..
May be RIM has it .. but they are only a one trick pony and \i don't see anything new with them either ..
IBM is actually tied big time to Apple.. as a supplier .
The big thing right now could be a new company coming out with a better tablet .. Massive Dynamics Yes it is a real company unlike the one on Fring
MSSD on the OBT....
May be RIM has it .. but they are only a one trick pony and \i don't see anything new with them either ..
IBM is actually tied big time to Apple.. as a supplier .
The big thing right now could be a new company coming out with a better tablet .. Massive Dynamics Yes it is a real company unlike the one on Fring
MSSD on the OBT....
we get it. you dont like apple like Jobs didnt like adobe. got anything substantial to add or just more disdain?
But that's the only RIM that's worth any money. The other RIM is going down the shit hole, not up the shit hole.My brain is so warped from being in this industry that I can't read the thread title without automatically assuming it's about someone sticking their tongue up someone else's ass.
Sorry
so now that RIM released BB10 and the stock tanked, does anyone think they can recover to atleast $20/share?
Actually I thought the BB10 intro was not bad at all. Some nifty new stuff. The personal & business duality is neat.
Here's a bit of a review by a professional someone who is a devotee of other hardware:
"With a 1280 x 768 resolution, the clarity of images and text on the Z10 is however superior.
What will matter to many users are BB10 features like the BlackBerry Hub and the ability to peek from an open application to view an entire inbox list of messages from Twitter, email or other sources. The peek capability involves using a finger to pull back the open app screen to see the list of messages in the Hub, which will be very useful for workers on the go.
Much has been said about the predictive text capability in the Z10 keyboard. A person can type the wrong word repeatedly and the software will learn the mistake to offer up a correct spelling above each row of letters. To make the correct word appear in the text field, you only need to “flick” the word upward. It worked well when I tried it, but I can’t imagine that would be a reason alone to buy the Z10.
What might be a major single reason to buy the Z10 is the BlackBerry Balance capability, which allows dual personalities to run on the BB10 software for personal and work data. I couldn’t try it fully, since it requires my workplace to install BlackBerry Enterprise Service 10 on server behind a corporate firewall.
Balance shows up on the display as a choice between personal or work, with personal apps and data on a separate screen from work apps and data. The advantage of Balance is more for corporate IT shops, but will benefit individuals as well who want to keep the Z10 when they leave a company and will have all their personal apps, videos and songs still in place.
Much has been made of the shortage of apps in BlackBerry World, with 70,000 in place. I don’t feel the same way, although that is really just one-tenth of the apps in Apple’s App Store and in Google Play.
A big benefit of the Z10 is a removable battery, at 1,800 mAh. That should last a user a full day, but maybe not a power user, BlackBerry CEO Thorsten Heins pointed out in a session with reporters at the New York event. As such, that removable battery means a power user can quickly insert a second one instead of having to stop and recharge.
Also at the event, I got to witness two Z10 users engage in a video chat over Wi-Fi which was smooth and clear. The video chat also works with LTE or HSPA+ cellular. There is also the ability to share whatever is on your screen with another BlackBerry 10 user, which could be very helpful to workers sharing presentations, drawings and other documents. One thing I learned is that you can't share a screen while also running the live video in a video chat, although the voice connection will be maintained. This would make Z10's capabilities almost as good as a Web conference call from a desktop."
And from ZDNET
"How did the BlackBerry Z10 fare after 48 hours of use? Image: Ben Woods/ZDNet
The BlackBerry Z10 is the first of BlackBerry's (formerly RIM's) handsets to use the BlackBerry 10 operating system. We've already reviewed some of the handset's key features, but what's it really like to use it as your day-to-day phone?
The first thing that struck me about the device was how similar it looked to the previous few generations of the iPhone — but that's tough to avoid when you're aiming for 'slick-looking, thin phone in black, please'. Besides, that's no bad thing: while I don't enjoy using Apple's OSes, I've always liked its approach to hardware design.
Hands on with the first BlackBerry 10 handset: The Z10 in photos
Prior to my time with the Z10, I'd been using the Nokia Lumia 920 (which is well known to be far from dainty). Next to the 920, the 9mm thick Z10 felt positively skinny, though it's by no means the slimmest on the market. It's also reasonably lightweight: unlike the 920, I can't imagine it getting particularly heavy in the hand or weighing down pockets too much, unless you're into skinny jeans.
The Z10 packs a 4.2-inch (720p) screen, the display is vibrant and sharp, and of a high enough resolution to satisfy me. It's no Retina quality, but it's no slouch either. It's also really responsive to the touch and the OS didn't leave me hanging around wondering whether it had registered my input. Scrolling in general is super-smooth.
The BlackBerry 10 OS that powers the Z10 is based around the ideas of Hub, Peek and Flow. Flow refers to the way you navigate to respond to messages, emails, calls and other notifications without having to move away from app you're using, achieved by 'Peeking' at the 'Hub' (the OS's single inbox which brings together messages, notifications, and so on).
The system works reasonably well, and as more than just a gimmick — I used it several times to take a quick look at text messages and emails received while watching a video. That said, it will take a little bit of time to get used to it as the default way of checking for updates.
Like using an iPhone for the first time back when it was released in 2007, using the Z10 feels fresh and logical, although not altogether new — the home and app screens really are an amalgamation of Windows Mobile's Live Tiles and the rows of apps found on iOS and Android.
Simple and surprising
That's not to say there aren't novel or nice touches sprinkled throughout the OS. For example, when I started using the browser for the first time it recognised I was viewing a Flash heavy site and asked me if I wanted to turn Flash on in the browser settings, as it's turned off by default.
Simple features make it pleasant, and occasionally surprising, to use
Other simple features make it pleasant, and occasionally surprising, to use. A little tab appears above the time when the screen is locked and, if it's night time, allows you to quickly switch into night mode — muting system sounds and notifications — and giving you access to your alarm clock from the same screen too. I simply didn't know this option was there before the tab appeared (although, as it turns out, you can pull down from the top of the browser while the screen is locked to access it).
Perhaps the most unexpected part of the navigation for me was the frequency that I defaulted to using the universal search to open apps.
Similar to Microsoft's decision to drop the Start button for Windows 8 and replace the functionality with a search bar, BlackBerry has a universal search accessible from the bottom of the screen that will return matching apps, email or other messages containing your search term or contacts. You can also extend your search to the Maps, Yahoo, Bing, Google, BlackBerry World or Help apps. I quickly found myself directly typing the name of an app into the search to launch it rather than scrolling through pages of icons looking for it.
Keyboard and camera
While the keyboard on the Z10 is a virtual one, it's one of the smartest and most accurate predictive text systems I've used.
BlackBerry 10 essentials: What you need to know
As well as having a virtual second layer keyboard that learns where exactly you strike each key and adjusts the layout accordingly, it also pops up predicted next words in-line with that letter on the keyboard. If you want to insert the word, just swipe up, if you want to delete a mistake, just swipe backwards.
It's not all plain sailing with the phone, however. While there's nothing wrong with Z10's camera quality, the Lumia 920 has spoiled me — it's one of the best smartphone cameras I've used, and the Z10 just doesn't compare.
BlackBerry hasn't made a lot of noise about the camera but there are plenty of useful features to be had: face detection mode that takes 11 stills so you can select the best frame, filters for making boring shots more interesting and auto-enhancement, brightness controls and white balance, are all present and correct. None of that can change the fact that it's a middle-of-the-road camera, though.
Apps and maps
The other obvious problem, and one BlackBerry has been working to try and rectify, is the apps in the BlackBerry World store. In an effort to stave off criticism, the company has got a number of big name companies to make their BlackBerry 10 apps ahead of launch, so you'll find the BBC iPlayer, Daily Mail, Bloomberg, AccuWeather, Yahoo Messenger, Twitter, LinkedIn, Foursquare and a host of other recognisable names.
However, problems arise when you start looking for that one specific app you rely on which inevitably seems not to be in store yet.
BlackBerry World itself is simple to use and the integrated download and installation of an app without leaving the item's description is a real bonus, lacking only the option to launch the app once installed. If the BlackBerry 10 OS and handsets running it do well enough, developers will follow. And, while we wait to see how far that transpires, BlackBerry is planning to open up more APIs in future, such as giving developers access to the BlackBerry Hub.
BlackBerry Maps (powered by TomTom) worked well, providing turn-by-turn voice guided navigation without a fuss.
It also lets you choose alternate routes according to which is simplest, shortest or fastest, and shows traffic info. I didn't spot a native public transport navigation option though, which is a notable omission, and I was left wondering whether all TomTom-based maps call roundabouts a 'traffic circle'.
Like its keyboard, security also springs to mind when most people think of BlackBerry, and while there's a host of enterprise-tied features, like Balance, there are also good safeguards in place on the handset, including BlackBerry Protect's ability to remotely locate and deactivate lost devices. I particularly like the granular nature of the BlackBerry permissions system, which allows you to grant or revoke access to certain parts of the OS for each app as it requests them.
The verdict
In the short time I spent using the Z10 as my run-of-the-mill handset, it impressed me.
I had been braced for another minor disappointment from RIM/BlackBerry and, while it has had to play catch up and introduce features now found as standard on other OSes, it has done so with a style and ease that Windows Phone should be scared of.
The minor touches I mentioned earlier aren't make-or-break features — no one is buying a handset based on its ability to show Flash or quickly switch the clock to night mode or any of the numerous other 'huh, neat' moments you can discover for yourself — but as a user they make me happy.
RIM has been smart in more than one sense here: it has launched a product that has the enterprise chops to serve its core audience, but more than that, could potentially inspire a sense of pride in ownership. As I said, there are similarities here with when the first iPhone was introduced."
Here's a bit of a review by a professional someone who is a devotee of other hardware:
"With a 1280 x 768 resolution, the clarity of images and text on the Z10 is however superior.
What will matter to many users are BB10 features like the BlackBerry Hub and the ability to peek from an open application to view an entire inbox list of messages from Twitter, email or other sources. The peek capability involves using a finger to pull back the open app screen to see the list of messages in the Hub, which will be very useful for workers on the go.
Much has been said about the predictive text capability in the Z10 keyboard. A person can type the wrong word repeatedly and the software will learn the mistake to offer up a correct spelling above each row of letters. To make the correct word appear in the text field, you only need to “flick” the word upward. It worked well when I tried it, but I can’t imagine that would be a reason alone to buy the Z10.
What might be a major single reason to buy the Z10 is the BlackBerry Balance capability, which allows dual personalities to run on the BB10 software for personal and work data. I couldn’t try it fully, since it requires my workplace to install BlackBerry Enterprise Service 10 on server behind a corporate firewall.
Balance shows up on the display as a choice between personal or work, with personal apps and data on a separate screen from work apps and data. The advantage of Balance is more for corporate IT shops, but will benefit individuals as well who want to keep the Z10 when they leave a company and will have all their personal apps, videos and songs still in place.
Much has been made of the shortage of apps in BlackBerry World, with 70,000 in place. I don’t feel the same way, although that is really just one-tenth of the apps in Apple’s App Store and in Google Play.
A big benefit of the Z10 is a removable battery, at 1,800 mAh. That should last a user a full day, but maybe not a power user, BlackBerry CEO Thorsten Heins pointed out in a session with reporters at the New York event. As such, that removable battery means a power user can quickly insert a second one instead of having to stop and recharge.
Also at the event, I got to witness two Z10 users engage in a video chat over Wi-Fi which was smooth and clear. The video chat also works with LTE or HSPA+ cellular. There is also the ability to share whatever is on your screen with another BlackBerry 10 user, which could be very helpful to workers sharing presentations, drawings and other documents. One thing I learned is that you can't share a screen while also running the live video in a video chat, although the voice connection will be maintained. This would make Z10's capabilities almost as good as a Web conference call from a desktop."
And from ZDNET
"How did the BlackBerry Z10 fare after 48 hours of use? Image: Ben Woods/ZDNet
The BlackBerry Z10 is the first of BlackBerry's (formerly RIM's) handsets to use the BlackBerry 10 operating system. We've already reviewed some of the handset's key features, but what's it really like to use it as your day-to-day phone?
The first thing that struck me about the device was how similar it looked to the previous few generations of the iPhone — but that's tough to avoid when you're aiming for 'slick-looking, thin phone in black, please'. Besides, that's no bad thing: while I don't enjoy using Apple's OSes, I've always liked its approach to hardware design.
Hands on with the first BlackBerry 10 handset: The Z10 in photos
Prior to my time with the Z10, I'd been using the Nokia Lumia 920 (which is well known to be far from dainty). Next to the 920, the 9mm thick Z10 felt positively skinny, though it's by no means the slimmest on the market. It's also reasonably lightweight: unlike the 920, I can't imagine it getting particularly heavy in the hand or weighing down pockets too much, unless you're into skinny jeans.
The Z10 packs a 4.2-inch (720p) screen, the display is vibrant and sharp, and of a high enough resolution to satisfy me. It's no Retina quality, but it's no slouch either. It's also really responsive to the touch and the OS didn't leave me hanging around wondering whether it had registered my input. Scrolling in general is super-smooth.
The BlackBerry 10 OS that powers the Z10 is based around the ideas of Hub, Peek and Flow. Flow refers to the way you navigate to respond to messages, emails, calls and other notifications without having to move away from app you're using, achieved by 'Peeking' at the 'Hub' (the OS's single inbox which brings together messages, notifications, and so on).
The system works reasonably well, and as more than just a gimmick — I used it several times to take a quick look at text messages and emails received while watching a video. That said, it will take a little bit of time to get used to it as the default way of checking for updates.
Like using an iPhone for the first time back when it was released in 2007, using the Z10 feels fresh and logical, although not altogether new — the home and app screens really are an amalgamation of Windows Mobile's Live Tiles and the rows of apps found on iOS and Android.
Simple and surprising
That's not to say there aren't novel or nice touches sprinkled throughout the OS. For example, when I started using the browser for the first time it recognised I was viewing a Flash heavy site and asked me if I wanted to turn Flash on in the browser settings, as it's turned off by default.
Simple features make it pleasant, and occasionally surprising, to use
Other simple features make it pleasant, and occasionally surprising, to use. A little tab appears above the time when the screen is locked and, if it's night time, allows you to quickly switch into night mode — muting system sounds and notifications — and giving you access to your alarm clock from the same screen too. I simply didn't know this option was there before the tab appeared (although, as it turns out, you can pull down from the top of the browser while the screen is locked to access it).
Perhaps the most unexpected part of the navigation for me was the frequency that I defaulted to using the universal search to open apps.
Similar to Microsoft's decision to drop the Start button for Windows 8 and replace the functionality with a search bar, BlackBerry has a universal search accessible from the bottom of the screen that will return matching apps, email or other messages containing your search term or contacts. You can also extend your search to the Maps, Yahoo, Bing, Google, BlackBerry World or Help apps. I quickly found myself directly typing the name of an app into the search to launch it rather than scrolling through pages of icons looking for it.
Keyboard and camera
While the keyboard on the Z10 is a virtual one, it's one of the smartest and most accurate predictive text systems I've used.
BlackBerry 10 essentials: What you need to know
As well as having a virtual second layer keyboard that learns where exactly you strike each key and adjusts the layout accordingly, it also pops up predicted next words in-line with that letter on the keyboard. If you want to insert the word, just swipe up, if you want to delete a mistake, just swipe backwards.
It's not all plain sailing with the phone, however. While there's nothing wrong with Z10's camera quality, the Lumia 920 has spoiled me — it's one of the best smartphone cameras I've used, and the Z10 just doesn't compare.
BlackBerry hasn't made a lot of noise about the camera but there are plenty of useful features to be had: face detection mode that takes 11 stills so you can select the best frame, filters for making boring shots more interesting and auto-enhancement, brightness controls and white balance, are all present and correct. None of that can change the fact that it's a middle-of-the-road camera, though.
Apps and maps
The other obvious problem, and one BlackBerry has been working to try and rectify, is the apps in the BlackBerry World store. In an effort to stave off criticism, the company has got a number of big name companies to make their BlackBerry 10 apps ahead of launch, so you'll find the BBC iPlayer, Daily Mail, Bloomberg, AccuWeather, Yahoo Messenger, Twitter, LinkedIn, Foursquare and a host of other recognisable names.
However, problems arise when you start looking for that one specific app you rely on which inevitably seems not to be in store yet.
BlackBerry World itself is simple to use and the integrated download and installation of an app without leaving the item's description is a real bonus, lacking only the option to launch the app once installed. If the BlackBerry 10 OS and handsets running it do well enough, developers will follow. And, while we wait to see how far that transpires, BlackBerry is planning to open up more APIs in future, such as giving developers access to the BlackBerry Hub.
BlackBerry Maps (powered by TomTom) worked well, providing turn-by-turn voice guided navigation without a fuss.
It also lets you choose alternate routes according to which is simplest, shortest or fastest, and shows traffic info. I didn't spot a native public transport navigation option though, which is a notable omission, and I was left wondering whether all TomTom-based maps call roundabouts a 'traffic circle'.
Like its keyboard, security also springs to mind when most people think of BlackBerry, and while there's a host of enterprise-tied features, like Balance, there are also good safeguards in place on the handset, including BlackBerry Protect's ability to remotely locate and deactivate lost devices. I particularly like the granular nature of the BlackBerry permissions system, which allows you to grant or revoke access to certain parts of the OS for each app as it requests them.
The verdict
In the short time I spent using the Z10 as my run-of-the-mill handset, it impressed me.
I had been braced for another minor disappointment from RIM/BlackBerry and, while it has had to play catch up and introduce features now found as standard on other OSes, it has done so with a style and ease that Windows Phone should be scared of.
The minor touches I mentioned earlier aren't make-or-break features — no one is buying a handset based on its ability to show Flash or quickly switch the clock to night mode or any of the numerous other 'huh, neat' moments you can discover for yourself — but as a user they make me happy.
RIM has been smart in more than one sense here: it has launched a product that has the enterprise chops to serve its core audience, but more than that, could potentially inspire a sense of pride in ownership. As I said, there are similarities here with when the first iPhone was introduced."
Black Berry seem to have some innovative ideas on what business user want and could use , but they just are not keeping up with the hard wear.. They are behind the curve .. where Galaxy III has 4.8inch screen Black berry 4.5 the same mistake Apply made .. I think business would go for the bigger screen .. I think they need to do some more research on hard wear..
Maybe that should just drop making devises and concentrate of selling business oriented operating systems .. that are comparable: with all the other phones .. and tablets ..:doh:
Maybe that should just drop making devises and concentrate of selling business oriented operating systems .. that are comparable: with all the other phones .. and tablets ..:doh:
Most of the BB10 comeback has been priced in.
If you buy right now, you are either hoping for a dead cat bounce, OR a more than already expected success. Both unlikely in the long term.
Think Palm.
If you buy right now, you are either hoping for a dead cat bounce, OR a more than already expected success. Both unlikely in the long term.
Think Palm.
most hardcore business blackberry users i know prefer to pack a smaller device, they fit into pockets easier
if they want something bigger they'll get a tablet
