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revealing that you are were an SP to someone?
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I am on a mission to reclaim the joy of being a highly sexual woman...in ancient times temples were dedicated to prostitutes as they were the catalyst to gaining the power of the Goddesses...western civilization, the rise of the monotheistic religions and the need to harness and subsequently silence the power of women are the sources that demeaned prostitutes into the realm of "sinners" and "fallen women"...
as far as my marriage goes...come september we will celebrate our 19th anniversary...over time we evolved into the people we are now...sexual adventure and strong communication skills allowed us to go forward and challenge ourselves...we enjoy an open relationship; this gives us the freedom to explore with others...My being an SP came later and was something I always wanted to do...needless to say, my husband supports me on my quests in pursuit of my passions...
I am indeed fortunate...we both are... have fun with that!! jealousy...along with guilt (around sex anyway) ...are such wastes of emotional time...Yes, thank you for your response! Interesting to hear your experience.Of course, now I'm so incredibly jealous I have something to work through!
I personally think allot of you rationalize this stuff, becuase your hobbyists.To me, all those examples represent the same constructs: socially and culturally determined attitudes. Which by definition makes them specific to a certain culture and time. They are not based on any objective truth but they often turn into self-fulfilling prophesies due to the way society is structured and the belief people hold of themselves.
But you are right, the topic has been beat to death and I don't have the time or desire to engage it in more detail either
sex is taboo across all cultures, read some matt ridley ( red queen)steven pinker( blank slate) etc
these guys have the best explanations as well as how it relates to time periods, via longitunindal research , cross cultrural research and cross sectional studies, and anthropology
not only are they famous for being bright and informed thinkers but they have the most comprehenive body of literature out there
so many of you rationalize this, its amazing
I wouldn't judge a girl on her past, it all depends on her personality now. I have never asked a girl how many people she has been with, it makes no difference to me. Also I see no difference between sex for money in the escort sense, or sex for money(or commodities) in the dating/relationship/marriage/one night stand sense (even though this is considered much more socially acceptable...).
Sorry but you sound like one of those people who hid away in university for year after year getting degree after degree, but hiding from the real world, afraid to go out and experience the real shit, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you read to much, maybe you should experience more, oh and maybe you should learn how to spell, or at least use spellchecker. Have a nice day!
Now to start, I believe that we do not have a choice in the matter of who we fall in love with. Period. Our head may try and sway us in one direction or the other, but at the end of the day the heart has the final decision.
I am getting into this thread a little late, but my head says that I wouldn't have a problem with a woman who was at one time a SP. As I have not had problems with women I have met in the past and have numerous and varied sexual experiences. In fact, it is quite the opposite. But I feel that I would encounter some of the same complications as others have described if she were still a SP. But thats what my head says, and chances are if it was meant to be, my heart would lead me through the situation unscathed.
Personally I think very few, if anyone, here is rationalizing anything. Most are giving you first hand experience, which is way more valuable than what some author who really may or may not understand the subject, writes. Second, they are telling you about matters of the heart, which is a completely irrational subject.
Palmtree, they have all given you the answer you are looking for (and no, no one wants to tell you about the rejection that may or may not be involved in a relationship ending over this matter - whether they have first hand experience or not).
Where to begin?
To answer your question: Yes, I do tell people I see in my personal life before sleeping with them. But I tell them after asking them numerous probing questions about themselves and their core values. These are the same questions that I asked people before I was in this business, as my values haven't changed. I don't drink, I don't party, I live a healthy and happy life, and I happen to think of human sexuality as one of the greatest and most pleasurable expressions of ourselves. I wouldn't waste more than a few moment of my personal time or energy (dating or relationship wise) on someone I fundamentally disagreed with, nor would I ever be able to fall in love with someone whose values differed strongly from my own, as my own are derived from much thought and reflection and where not instilled in me since birth by family or culture and are therefore the deepest reflection of myself. * I also don't see clients that I know are self-righteous judgmental hypocrites either.
I will only invest my personal time and emotions in someone who shares the same values, so of course I ask questions about their political views, their religious beliefs, their sexual preferences, and try to flesh out their core beliefs about women. Guess what, none of the guys who passed my litmus test have ever had an issue with what I do and they have all been upstanding, white collar men in well-regarded, high paying jobs, not pimps and drug dealers as most imagine. I've been in both long term relationships and more casual dating situations and not once has it been a major issue... with the people I selected. That is of course the caveat.... I selected them, I did not wait around for a man to find me while keeping my fingers crossed that he'd be ok with what I do.
We have evolved to find sex pleasurable because our physical anatomy has evolved to reward sexual activity with pleasure. We have also evolved to be both monogamous and promiscuous. I think the only tragedy is that some people are so programmed by archaic tribal customs and beliefs - the same types of belief that deemed women unclean during their periods, that encourage female circumcision, the are fundamentally fearful of female sexuality, all while glorifying anything phallic or relating to male sexuality - that deem sexual activity as fundamentally dirty and shameful. Sex is no more shameful or dirty than laughing or enjoying food. It is only religion and ignorant tribal beliefs that taint it. True, there are dangers involved but when one is safe, responsible and gets tested, the risks are diminished considerably.
There is a major difference between sex and love. I view my "work" as a cross between acting, massage therapy, entertaining and counseling (I do a LOT of sexual coaching). While I may enjoy my clients (I am very selective and do NOT see people I do not enjoy spending time with) and even become friends with some of them, the deepest I've felt towards them is at most "friends with benefits." I have never loved one of them. Love is reserved for my personal life and is an element that makes sex transcendent and powerful. Some do not know this, because they have never known the difference... that is tragic.
How do you know that the girl you like didn't date your friend, cousin, brother or enemy before she met you?
It is true that some people are wired differently. Some are more likely to be monogamous, some more promiscuous but most fall in the middle, and their choices depend on their circumstances and relationships at that moment. It does not mean that there is one universal truth for all. And it certainly doesn't entitle any person or groups to sit in judgment of others.
To each their own. If you don't want to date an SP.... don't. But don't presume to think your views are the only "correct" ones.
Incidentally, having spoken with many high profile, successful SPs (more of the courtesan variety) many, if not most of them, have experiences/view/partners very similar to my own.
Cheers,
Iz
Oh where to even begin. Aside from your grim view of human sexuality in general (skanky isn't it?) you seem to have a rather misogynistic view of female sexuality in particular.
To answer your question: Yes, I do tell people I see in my personal life before sleeping with them. But I tell them after asking them numerous probing questions about themselves and their core values. These are the same questions that I asked people before I was in this business, as my values haven't changed. I don't drink, I don't party, I live a healthy and happy life, and I happen to think of human sexuality as one of the greatest and most pleasurable expressions of ourselves. I wouldn't waste more than a few moment of my personal time or energy (dating or relationship wise) on someone I fundamentally disagreed with, nor would I ever be able to fall in love with someone whose values differed strongly from my own, as my own are derived from much thought and reflection and where not instilled in me since birth by family or culture and are therefore the deepest reflection of myself. * I also don't see clients that I know are self-righteous judgmental hypocrites either.
I will only invest my personal time and emotions in someone who shares the same values, so of course I ask questions about their political views, their religious beliefs, their sexual preferences, and try to flesh out their core beliefs about women. Guess what, none of the guys who passed my litmus test have ever had an issue with what I do and they have all been upstanding, white collar men in well-regarded, high paying jobs, not pimps and drug dealers as most imagine. I've been in both long term relationships and more casual dating situations and not once has it been a major issue... with the people I selected. That is of course the caveat.... I selected them, I did not wait around for a man to find me while keeping my fingers crossed that he'd be ok with what I do.
We have evolved to find sex pleasurable because our physical anatomy has evolved to reward sexual activity with pleasure. We have also evolved to be both monogamous and promiscuous. I think the only tragedy is that some people are so programmed by archaic tribal customs and beliefs - the same types of belief that deemed women unclean during their periods, that encourage female circumcision, the are fundamentally fearful of female sexuality, all while glorifying anything phallic or relating to male sexuality - that deem sexual activity as fundamentally dirty and shameful. Sex is no more shameful or dirty than laughing or enjoying food. It is only religion and ignorant tribal beliefs that taint it. True, there are dangers involved but when one is safe, responsible and gets tested, the risks are diminished considerably.
There is a major difference between sex and love. I view my "work" as a cross between acting, massage therapy, entertaining and counseling (I do a LOT of sexual coaching). While I may enjoy my clients (I am very selective and do NOT see people I do not enjoy spending time with) and even become friends with some of them, the deepest I've felt towards them is at most "friends with benefits." I have never loved one of them. Love is reserved for my personal life and is an element that makes sex transcendent and powerful. Some do not know this, because they have never known the difference... that is tragic.
So if you've only done this a few times, what would you think if you were dating a girl who had only done SP work "a few times" because she was either curious or had some financial goals (tuition for school, etc)?
How do you know that the girl you like didn't date your friend, cousin, brother or enemy before she met you?
True of most but certainly not all. It is also true that all cultures have their creation stories.... it doesn't make their "beliefs" scientifically valid. Our customs and beliefs derived from our ancestor's ignorance and attempts to find meaning and reason in life. Few, if any, remain unchallenged by modern science and thought (philosophy, psychological and sociological understanding). Clinging to them out of custom is nothing more than fear of progress and intellectual retardation.
It is true that some people are wired differently. Some are more likely to be monogamous, some more promiscuous but most fall in the middle, and their choices depend on their circumstances and relationships at that moment. It does not mean that there is one universal truth for all. And it certainly doesn't entitle any person or groups to sit in judgment of others.
To each their own. If you don't want to date an SP.... don't. But don't presume to think your views are the only "correct" ones.
Incidentally, having spoken with many high profile, successful SPs (more of the courtesan variety) many, if not most of them, have experiences/view/partners very similar to my own.
Cheers,
Iz
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(and no, no one wants to tell you about the rejection that may or may not be involved in a relationship ending over this matter - whether they have first hand experience or not).
thats basically what i thought. I never really got a good answer from anyone just filibustering around, dancing around the issue the usual routine
But I perosnally love how everyone just assumes that Im mysoginistc or whatever or that i have a problems with your lifestyles, quite honestly I dont. I dont even care. I was curious enough to ask a question and everyone gets in defense mode.
please notice that I never really gave anyone a hard time, you all just assume it
you all crack me up
thats basically what i thought. I never really got a good answer from anyone just filibustering around, dancing around the issue the usual routine
But I perosnally love how everyone just assumes that Im mysoginistc or whatever or that i have a problems with your lifestyles, quite honestly I dont. I dont even care. I was curious enough to ask a question and everyone gets in defense mode.
please notice that I never really gave anyone a hard time, you all just assume it
you all crack me up
actually no pardon me a few did have some valid points, i thought i would get more anecdotes than this
has any former sp kept it a secret from their partner for any length of time, and did you tell them or did you not bother?
thats another point I was wondering about- If no one wants to answer thats ok , I dont expect it
thaks Captain Spell-Check!, I love how you make fun of educated people and well read people
so what do you assume educated people dont live in the real and theyare mutually exclusive principals ? LOL dont give me that BS. thats a load and you know it
thats remids me of a few drop-outs that I know that try to defend their self esteem, they said the same thing
of course your post has nothing to do with the topic, just ego defense,
are you making fun of me ? I cant tell, either way I like the thread tooKeep going you're on a roll. I'm loving this thread
yes we have choice ,no one puts a gun to your head, or do you have no self control?
True of most but certainly not all. It is also true that all cultures have their creation stories.... it doesn't make their "beliefs" scientifically valid. Our customs and beliefs derived from our ancestor's ignorance and attempts to find meaning and reason in life. Few, if any, remain unchallenged by modern science and thought (philosophy, psychological and sociological understanding). Clinging to them out of custom is nothing more than fear of progress and intellectual retardation.
It is true that some people are wired differently. Some are more likely to be monogamous, some more promiscuous but most fall in the middle, and their choices depend on their circumstances and relationships at that moment. It does not mean that there is one universal truth for all. And it certainly doesn't entitle any person or groups to sit in judgment of others.
To each their own. If you don't want to date an SP.... don't. But don't presume to think your views are the only "correct" ones.
Incidentally, having spoken with many high profile, successful SPs (more of the courtesan variety) many, if not most of them, have experiences/view/partners very similar to my own.
Cheers,
Iz
^ this has nothing to do with anything, nothing to do with the topic
except for this:
To each their own. If you don't want to date an SP.... don't. But don't presume to think your views are the only "correct" ones.
which by the way I never once said i have the correct views, im just asking for other personal stories annonymously on a semi annymous forum
It is true that some people are wired differently. Some are more likely to be monogamous, some more promiscuous but most fall in the middle, and their choices depend on their circumstances and relationships at that moment. It does not mean that there is one universal truth for all. And it certainly doesn't entitle any person or groups to sit in judgment of others.
To each their own. If you don't want to date an SP.... don't. But don't presume to think your views are the only "correct" ones.
Incidentally, having spoken with many high profile, successful SPs (more of the courtesan variety) many, if not most of them, have experiences/view/partners very similar to my own.
Cheers,
Iz
^ this has nothing to do with anything, nothing to do with the topic
except for this:
To each their own. If you don't want to date an SP.... don't. But don't presume to think your views are the only "correct" ones.
which by the way I never once said i have the correct views, im just asking for other personal stories annonymously on a semi annymous forum
thanks for the answer, but real question is
LADIES assuming your Single and SP'ing or were a former Sp and you met a nice guy that you liked. would you tell him that you were/ an sp
AND if you ,did and he split,
1,would you then make some excuse to defned your ego,
2, or would you be understanding for his own personal decision
3, keep it secret, becuase you know it could hurt him
And by the way it has nothing to do with sercurity or confidence, for example I am secure confident guy, but I dont have to deal with it I wont,
*I have no problems with other's lifestyles. if your happy great then Im happy for you
congrats!But for me No way, I know how I think, and it would bug me too much
we all have a past sure, but most non sp's usually sleep or get with someone they find attractive,or appealing in some form, rather some random paying guy, .... WHICH thereis a big difference between the two
SOME of the guys that say " Im ok with an SP or former SP" I wouldnt be surprised if they are the types to get whipped or would take whatever they can get
hence this whole board,
BUT! for the guys that are ok wiht it , hats off to you, you're braver than me
I have experimented with this buisness and enjoyed myself, but Im no hobbyist
People assume we are what we do.....
I am a person that has chosen to be an SP as it is a job I enjoy...
I was not born with future SP on my forehead....
My husband of 7 years has no problem with it as he seen the business from the inside out...
I am a person that has chosen to be an SP as it is a job I enjoy...
I was not born with future SP on my forehead....
My husband of 7 years has no problem with it as he seen the business from the inside out...
Indy Isabelle, Bravo! I am once again blown away by an articulate SP whose disclosure leaves me wanting to hear more. For very personal reasons I started visiting SPs only a few months ago, and frankly, I'm not sure how long I'll continue (you ladies have not only rocked my world, you've shaken its foundations!). The experience has been very pleasurable and I've been opened up to the sensual aspects of my being in a new way. A gift I will always treasure. I have to say that perhaps the greatest pleasure of the whole experience, though, has been the incredible group of women I've encountered. Not only have they not been victims or broken girls but rather are among the noblest individuals I've ever had the pleasure to meet. Of course there have been exceptions, as would be expected in any field. Your post, IZ, speaks volumes about just how intelligent, directed and professional you are. Any man who was unable to see what an amazing human being you are would be an idiot. That he was unable to see it simply because you are or were an SP, is something beyond idiocy. You and others like you are a gift to the world. I suppose it's too much to ask that the world actually acknowledge that fact. You ladies have been great company, a educational powerhouse, a source of such great delight to me, and many others, I'm sure. I know the cynics will say, yes but it's just an act, done for money. yada yada yada. Folks, we all do stuff for money! Why should what they do for money be seen as so dangerous and evil? Isn't it in fact, just the opposite - a gift, a life affirming wonder, soft as silk, sweeter than wine? These ladies share their bodies with such brilliance and inspired naughtiness, yet it remains largely unacknowledged. Theirs is an art like no other. I'm in awe. I'll have to smile one day in the future when my then SO asks me how I learned such and such, or how I knew that as a woman she would really like x, y or z. Not sure what I'll tell her
D ). I myself will know though that I learned some of the most important and inspired stuff from a professional I paid $400/hr! Priceless! If I was to meet a lady of the calibre of some of the courtesans I've encountered (I'm sure IZ is one of them, though I haven't meet her), I would be lucky to have her (if she would have me). That she was beautiful, intelligent and discerning would make me feel that much more fortunate that I was the object of her affections. That she valued herself, her health, and her sexuality fully while also sharing it so marvelously with others - what can I say? - for this I would thank god daily (and I'm an atheist!). But maybe that's just me.
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