Renters Rant: Fucking Rental Properties. Whats a fair increase in rent?

luckydog71

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Why should the owner of a property be restricted on what return they can get? I know Canada has strong socialist tendencies and if the Gov't of Canada wants to pay renters money to subsidize the rent they can not afford, go for it. I no longer pay Canadian taxes so what do I care.

I do not understand the logic that says a land owner must be a socialist as well.

If you do not want to pay the rent increase, move. If no one else wants to pay the higher rent, it will sit empty until they lower the rent.

It is the same principal that applies to SP fees. An SP gets to set her rate at what the market will support, if you don’t think her fees are justified then don’t use her services.
 

Sonny

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luckydog71 said:
Why should the owner of a property be restricted on what return they can get? I know Canada has strong socialist tendencies and if the Gov't of Canada wants to pay renters money to subsidize the rent they can not afford, go for it. I no longer pay Canadian taxes so what do I care.
Canada is very much a mixed economy with a particular balance of free enterprise and governmental programs. It stems from the societal attitude of Canada, compared to the USA. It is reflected in the Canada's first constitution, the British North America Act of 1867, where specific areas of authority and responsibility are spelled out for the federal and provincial jurisdictions. The federal jurisdiction is very broad and the provincial more defined. The important fact is that whatever is not spelled out, the residual powers, goes to the federal government. So the constitution reflected the attitude that Canada looks at the overall public good and well-being as being somewhat more important that that of the individual - it is the former that generally, with exceptions, takes precedence. It is interesting to note that this constitution was formulated many years after that of the USA, and presumably its deviation from many of the clauses in the American constitution was intentional.

The American constitution reflects the militant independence attitude of the original settlers who left Europe for personal, particularly religious, freedom. Here the States' jurisdiction is much broader than that of the federal government, which is more defined, and the residual power falls to the individual States rather than the central government. The USA looks at the rights of the individual being somewhat more important that than of the overall society, and the individual usually, with exceptions, takes precedence.

There are benefits of, and arguments for, both individualistic capitalism and a more socialist economic structure. To me, an enlightened capitalism has freedom and incentive, but with a human face that recognizes the inter-relatedness of all people, indeed all life, and provides a broad economic, education and health well-being for all. Extremes of wealth and poverty itself are abolished. The resultant population has extensive buying power, educated abilities, a healthy workforce, mental and emotional stability derived from the elimination of economic insecurity and great capacity for both individuals and society as a whole to achieve many things.

It is obvious that too-left socialist examples such as Sweden do not work, and that too-right capitalist examples such as the USA do not work. Canada, while having some imperfections of both socialism and capitalism, is, IMO, much better off as a country than both of these examples. So somewhere between the too-left and the too-right seems to work much better, if people can get their heads there.
 

insync2you

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Go buy a condo.

My last trip out to your Great city found a 2 bedroom condo for $240,000.00 in Burnaby by the Joyce Station. Kev your $815 a month supports a $135,000 mtg and if you have a friend girl or other in the same boat you could combine the two rents your paying and you just may reduce your costs (condo fee is over and above base rent). On top of that you gain equity and if your Vancouver market keeps going you will make money, there is NO MONEY MADE WHEN YOU RENT, that goes for just about anything except a wife you divorce paid sex would have always been cheaper. My son who just graduated and his roomate will move in later this year when the project is completed, deposit were compliments of the parents.
 

MikeHunter

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Creative thinking

Sometimes if you offer to sign a one year lease they will hold the rent. If you like the place or don't want to move offer to sign a two year lease with 0% in the first year and 5% in the second.

At the end of the day they are in business and they may want to avoid loosing a good tenent.

Of course since you are an obvious part animal (member of this board) they may want to get rid of you. Just kidding - good luck!
 

Chet

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luckydog71 said:
Why should the owner of a property be restricted on what return they can get? I know Canada has strong socialist tendencies and if the Gov't of Canada wants to pay renters money to subsidize the rent they can not afford, go for it.
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It is the same principal that applies to SP fees. An SP gets to set her rate at what the market will support, if you don’t think her fees are justified then don’t use her services.
Well... I don't think this is the issue with the same nature as you said... there's some fundamental difference between basic human needs(place to live) and leisure(SP).

Just because you own something it doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it, especially when it's associated with human right issue such as property rental.

For example. If a company decides to pay below minimum wage for their employees. Can you still say, "Well, it's THEIR company so live with it or go get a new job"?

Of course, "below minimum wage" is illegal and "$100 more on rent" is apparently not quite off the edge, but this still explains why there's government control over legally owned properties. It's got nothing to do with being socialist.

CadMan said:
It's a free world. You don't have to pay the increase and the new owner doesn't have to take you on as tenant. I don't have more sympathy for landlord's than renters I just believe in a free market. It's like SP's, nobody is holding a gun to your head. Pay up or move on.
What if you were a renter and it's the last day of the month, and the landlord knocks on your door and tells you, "Since this is my property I want you to move out by tomorrow evening." According to your logic, there's nothing wrong with it. And nobody put a gun on your head either.
 
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spelunker

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Don't sign anything

If you sign that agreement they gave you, you will be giving up your rights to arbitration. They know they won't get $100 in arbitration but they are trying to scare you into agreeing to $80. Make them go through the process they won't even get $80.

good luck.
 

bonanzabob

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landlords hate going to arbitration

Once you file for arbitration and serve hollyburn (total costs approx $55.00) and you contact them and suggest that 4.00% (or more accurately 3.8%- thanks Jodie) would be acceptable, the chances are very high they will settle for that.

Hollyburn's whole reason for being is that they buy up properties that they think have under-market rent, and then try to pop up the rent numbers.
 

ezsmile

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How about the rest of your building Kev.
Maybe you should go organize yourselves, and file that arbitration.

Sound to me like they are shooting for the moon with the $100 increase and then willing to settle for Mt. Everest. And it doesn't sound like they have applied for the increase to market rates, or they would be showing you the form and the permission granted from the rentalsman or whatever they are called.

They are just banking on your complacency, which as a lotus eater, they believe you have lots of.

Years ago when I moved from a rental house, the landlord (a private family, owned a few rental properties) claimed they didn't know that there was a prescribed amount of interest they had to pay when they returned my rental deposit. Yet they had been landlords in Vancouver for 25 years or more. Needless to say, they knew all about it, they were just trying to stiff me on it.

File the forms and fight it!
 

badabing828

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Rent increase Protection

Necko is correct but I must add that IF there is a Long Term Lease in place (not month-month) then your rent is protected.
 

Kev

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I spoke with the general manager of properties for Hollyburn and they sound like there full of shit. I talked to Residential Tenancy Office and told them what Hollyburn had to say and they agree, Hollyburn sounds like there full of shit. So tomorrow i'm going down to Residential Tenancy Office in metrotown to plead my case.
 

CAESARS

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First of all, the notice of a rent increase must be on the approved form. That means that it must be on the Residential Tenancy form and they just fill in the blanks. If it is not on this form than it is not a valid notice of a rent increase. A landlord cannot simply write a letter informing you of a rent increase without including a Residential Tenancy Notice of a Rent Increase.

The current rate of an allowable rental increase for 2006 is 4%, which means that they can only raise your rent by $28.60. However, the landlord can apply to the Residential Tenancy Office to increase the rent above the 4%. If they are able to prove a significant increase in operating costs and expenditures than they will probably be granted an order to increase the rent above the 4%. They will not be able to do so unless they have an arbitrators order allowing them to do so. Under no circumstances should you sign the letter they gave you. Most likely they are using this tactic to avoid arbitration.

Either way, if they have not given you the notice on the approved form than it is not a valid notice. The filing fee for arbitration is $50.00 but you should not need to file at this time if the notice isn't on the approved form (ask the Information Officer at the RTO to confirm). Make sure to get names of everyone you speak to at the RTO for your records. First names is all you need.

If they gave you the notice on the approved form but the rental increase is over the 4% than you will need to apply for arbitration. They must obtain an arbitrators order before increasing the rent above the allowable 4%. They must show you a copy of this order or provide you with a copy for your records.

Three of the better RTO Information Officers are George, John, and Sharon. They have been there for many years and are up to date on the current regulations. Contrary to what one might think, not all of the RTI Officers are as up-to-date on the current regulations as they should be!

If you go to the Burnaby office you will be able to speak to an information Officer but you could face a lengthy wait. Make sure that you bring all correspondence received from Hollyburn to show to the RTI Officer. There is nothing to plead for tomorrow. Even if you apply for arbitration the hearing most likely won't be set until 5-8 weeks from time of application.

Good Luck!
 
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