Remember Neda

[chase one]

Just give a moment of your time to remember the 19 year old Iranian woman called Neda who was shot and killed in Teheran, Iran protesting the rigged results of the election there.

The photos are too gruesome to show and I think it's best not to include them in any subsequent threads.

Join a Facebook group and let the Iranian authorities know what you think!

 

[LightBearer]

Thing is the "media" applauds protesting a tyrannical regime. But if you dare do that at home and protest your ever loving government, like this woman herehttp://jonesreport.com/articles/170806_rubber_bullets.html
You get shot 4 times with rubber bullets. Yes she died, and the police even laughed, witnesses say.

Time to wake up and smell the police state.


Heres some dirty canadian police stuff here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow

 

[Jason Bourne]

I hear her being called a martyr. I don't know how I feel about that - is it really martyrism when it doesn't do anything for the cause? All they did was make an example out of her and scare others into not protesting.

Don't get me wrong, I feel terrible for her and her family but I think martyr may be taking it a bit far.

The term martyr (Greek μάρτυς martys "witness") is most commonly used today to describe an individual who sacrifices their life (or their personal freedom) in order to further a cause or belief for many.

I think the term is spot on myself.

 

[curmudgeon]

Actually, some of the reports indicate that she's in her late 20s, and that she was not a protester, that she had not previously voiced her support for either side of this conflict. According to those reports, she was an innocent bystander that was in area, and was shot by a Basij militia soldier.

In which case, she would not a matyr, since martyr-dom is a choice, which she didn't make.

 

[HankQuinlan]

Actually, some of the reports indicate that she's in her late 20s, and that she was not a protester, that she had not previously voiced her support for either side of this conflict. According to those reports, she was an innocent bystander that was in area, and was shot by a Basij militia soldier.

In which case, she would not a matyr, since martyr-dom is a choice, which she didn't make.

In the modern secular sense of the term, a martyr may also be created by the use others make of her image; history may judge whether she is a "martyr" or not, regardless of any special action or belief of her own....especially if the protests eventually succeed.

 

[uncleg]

That's the point I was disagreeing with. If anything, her death may scare enough people to set back the movement.

I'm not saying her story is any less tragic, just that the label martyr may not apply. Will history judge her as a martyr. Probably.

I respectfully disagree with this statement 100%

I'll have to agree with Hubba on this, with a caveat, I think it changed the movement. This started out about the vote, but this shooting probably as much as anything else has changed the movement to a lot more. All the resentment is coming out now and before it is over, there will be change in government or there will be a lot more people dying in the streets.

 

[Shakerod]

She has become a rallying cry for the Western media to condemn the Iranian government. There could be thousands of examples similar to this against the people in Iraq that will never be shown in our media, but probably will play well on Al Jezeera.

 

[uncleg]

There are conflicting reports. What I'm saying is that if the reports saying that she had nothing to do with either side in the past are the correct ones then she is merely an innocent bystander an this is a tragedy, not martyrdom.

If it's true that she was in fact a protester, than yes, that would make her a martyr.

Then she is an accidental martyr, either way she is dead for no good reason, but her death will be used to further an end. The government has already said she was a victim of "terrorists." For the protestors she is a martyr, even if she had no political leanings either way. Even in this arena, an SP gets killed and she becomes symbol, a martyr if you will, to the disregard society has for women in this profession.