References

[Irresistible Isabelle]

Hailing Planet Pajamion!

LOL.., scarey huh to have your info released to a stranger. If you dont have a family it might not big of a problem, but if you have a wife and childrens..., LOL to give out your personal info???. How many people to have their info stolen already nowadays?. They dont really know the whole purpose of this ref system for the US indy's.., not for the 1 who work with the agencies though but only to the indy's. Who ever want to try this system should find out first whats really going on and find out the whole purpose why the indy's using ref system in the US . Well.., I tried to b discreet in pooning but still getting some info leaked out to the public. My suggestion is to try working in the US as an indy and see what happend LOL.

Pardon me but you are so full of it. You claim your info was leaked because she mentioned your "PJ's." On what planet is a man identified by his pajamas? You on the other hand felt the need to share A LOT of information that is potentially identifying. Save your sob story, no one is buying it.

 

[Goldenrod]

So now the expensive pussy wants a resume' ?
hehehehehe , this has got to be the dumbest , post on perb ever!!!
You girls can all join CLM , charge way tooo much and only see clients with security clearance and good resume's.
good luck. maybe you should think about a new profession!

Hahahahaha. Funny shit alright, and these are the very women who don't want reviews, don't want any info shared and don't want pooners talking to one another about anything. Yet they can demand references, legit phone numbers with caller ID, email addresses and your inner thigh measurement before agreeing to let pooners fuck them AND THEN PAY THEM FOR THE PRIVILEGE of poking an expensive hole.

And what's even more crazy? Most of you motherfuckers buy into it.

HAHAHAHAHAHA so, who's stupid now?

 

[C-Rations]

Pardon me but you are so full of it. You claim your info was leaked because she mentioned your "PJ's." On what planet is a man identified by his pajamas? You on the other hand felt the need to share A LOT of information that is potentially identifying. Save your sob story, no one is buying it.

Hey hey hey.., no need to explode like that. Take a chill pill or something lol. I'm just trying to say that u 2 gotta stop moving to the wrong direction.
PS: not everyone in the US r crazy, or whatever that individual is claiming .

 

[good2bbad]

I am all for references! Even if it was a reg client of mine and I didn't have a heads up I would gladly provide a reference for that client to a girl that asks. I understand how hard it is to get info on new clients..

Think about this (for those who don't want to give out references). If one of your clients used you as a reference and you refused and the client found out, what would he think of you? He would probably thin you are petty..

Anyways I wouldd love some sort of referral system or a perb/terf type site where we can post about clients and have some sort of list going.. and not only a DND list but a good client list as well. I have many clients I would reccomend to girls as they are excellent clients!


Just my two cents..

I recently enquired about the availability of a certain SP and was asked for references. I provided the names of a couple of the ladies I had known and from what I understand they replied relatively promptly with positive reviews
I would think with all the wackos out there, some sort of referral system would be a good idea!
good

 

[uncleg]

You just made my point for me.

If the SP's want to really attract quality clientele they need to give a impression of integrity, discretion & maturity otherwise they are scaring away those with something to lose.

Wealthy men either have a family, prominent position or a professional image they cannot afford to have impacted by an escort who cannot be trusted.

There are other folk who do not have these worries but they usually do not have the money & if they do they are probably shady characters.


C'est la vie

"I" made your point for you ? What the hell is your point ?

If you are a client that is worried about being outed and you make the choice of engaging in this activity, then it is your responsibility to ensure your privacy. The SP you go to better have some integrity and discretion, not just the impression of it. If wealthy men can't afford the negative impact of an escort, then maybe they should stay away from escorts, or as I suggested before to you before, stay home and jack off.

As to your comment about the "other folk", that's got to be one of the stupidest comments I've seen in here in a long time.

 

[C-Rations]

"I" made your point for you ? What the hell is your point ?

If you are a client that is worried about being outed and you make the choice of engaging in this activity, then it is your responsibility to ensure your privacy. The SP you go to better have some integrity and discretion, not just the impression of it. If wealthy men can't afford the negative impact of an escort, then maybe they should stay away from escorts, or as I suggested before to you before, stay home and jack off.

As to your comment about the "other folk", that's got to be one of the stupidest comments I've seen in here in a long time.

Hey hey hey.., no need to argue about this stuffs. Ref system is a very good idea.., but the question is.., can it run in canada??.., especialy since the laws r alot different than the US for this type of business?. Here's some info.., the indy's in the US dont make as much as the indy's in canada because of the law, so they have lower budget. They dont get all the needs like (protection the no.1 issue) to run the business unlike the 1 who r in the agencies. They joined the agencies because, 1. bigger budget , 2. connections. So the only choice for the indy's out here in the US is to joined perb like community and created a ref system solely (to avoid getting caught). U wont believe how many sting operations and how many crook cops out here in the US. Agencies usualy have connection like recent incident, CLIENT NO. 9 who got busted by the feds, remember???. So smaller agencies paying bigger agencies (like the 1 who supplied the models to client no.9) for some protections/ connection. Hey.., what do I know... right. I do encourage to try the ref system and see if its going to work in canada. If it works.., hey..., thats great. If not.., well... at least u try .
Almost forgot to mention, the indy's out here eventhough they have that community site to run the ref system and the purpose is to help each other as provider..., they still backstabbing each other to get the clients. Why?.., its called a reality business.

 

[visiting]

The funny thing is references go both ways.

I have seen a few SP's that have been recommended, by this one really hot SP. She has these amazing SP friends, so the way I see it is, Birds of a feather fuck together... wait, maybe the saying is, Birds of a feather flock together..... hmmmmmm not sure.... anymore.

Anyway, I can understand 2 ladies having a problem with each other, and not wanting to give references to each other, but I hope that is not the majority of the girls.

I would say they just want to know your safe. Good date or bad date, so no harm.

Some of you think too much...

 

[C-Rations]

Clearly helpful advice no one with a C note in his jeans will take.

Re: dispensing personal information in order to secure the date. Remember Eliot Spitzer? Until a few months ago he was governor of New York, then he was outed for his use of a high end NY escort agency. It wasn't an unreliable sp who did it though it was the FBI, (said like Hannibal Lector) F..ahhh Beee Eyee. Point is the more info you provide to anyone, the higher the risk.

"Point is the more info you provide to anyone, the higher the risk. " ----> BINGO!!.

 

[uncleg]

O.K. Ladies..

so let's say I visit one of you, we have a session and all goes well. Somewhere down the road, I want to visit somebody else for the first time, she wants references. I give her the name of the SP from my previous session. You don't know each other, the only contact number is whatever business number is used, would you as an SP take on a stranger as a client with only the references of a stranger, who happens to be in the same business ?

 

[FortunateOne]

If anyone is interested in the extent of which references or personal info is required by some sps in the US, just look at a few american escorts websites. (I googled those two words and found a listing of some to view). Some will ask you to be prepared to show ID (sometimes this is proof of age too). For a referral, the sp used would be one with a web presence or reviewed on a board, not just anyone with a phone #. And generally references are more important for those who travel, do outcalls, or pre-book appts.
But realistically, if you get an outcall to your home or hotel, or book thru an agency, your personal details are out there (CC, name, phone #, home address) so I am not sure what all the fuss is about. If you do not wish to provide personal info, you choose incalls with the sp of choice, behave like a civilized gentleman and you won't have a problem. Whether another sp is willing or able to provide a reference or you simply cannot provide one probably won't influence the sp if you approach her with discretion and honesty.
Suggest a phone call for conversation to answer questions. If the sp is unavailable or unwilling to take or make a phone call, then I think you both lose an opportunity to get to know each other beforehand and make the most of the appt when it happens.

 

[Irresistible Isabelle]

so let's say I visit one of you, we have a session and all goes well. Somewhere down the road, I want to visit somebody else for the first time, she wants references. I give her the name of the SP from my previous session. You don't know each other, the only contact number is whatever business number is used, would you as an SP take on a stranger as a client with only the references of a stranger, who happens to be in the same business ?

If the SPs are mutually unaware of each other, one probably aren't a threat to the other's business, so it probably won't be an issue and she isn't likely to say "Yes, he's very nice" if you are indeed a psycho.

Neither is the client likely to use a provider he mistreated in the past as a reference.

If she is threatened, she's more likely to not answer the SP's email. If she does want to jealously mess with the SP requesting the info she's more likely to say "He's a jerk" when he was in fact a perfect gentleman. In which case the most people loose is a booking. Not the end of the world for anyone involved. If the gent find this to be a pattern, odds are he would post about this behaviour on a review board and would damage the jealous SP's reputation with both clients and SPs.

There are certain people I don't trust at all and would never even ask them for a reference even if they were the only one listed. I'd probably decline the client as well, as if he really enjoyed her company, I probably wouldn't enjoy his, as this has more often been the case than not.

 

[Krustee]

"I" made your point for you ? What the hell is your point ?

If you are a client that is worried about being outed and you make the choice of engaging in this activity, then it is your responsibility to ensure your privacy. The SP you go to better have some integrity and discretion, not just the impression of it. If wealthy men can't afford the negative impact of an escort, then maybe they should stay away from escorts, or as I suggested before to you before, stay home and jack off.

Your obviusly thick headed so let me put it simple for you.

The girls here are stating they need discreet safe men an they are obviously not getting that or they would not be asking for more identity.

If they want the "good" clients with the REAL money they need to present a more discreet professional image.

Asking for more identity is not going to accomplish that.

If the client is a regular & has seen several other SP's he has no problem as they can vouch for him.

The new guys are going to get scared off at the prosepect of having to provide sufficient personal info.

As to your comment about the "other folk", that's got to be one of the stupidest comments I've seen in here in a long time.

Really?
I guess you think there are no gangs or crime in Vancouver eh?

Talk to any one of these girls & they will have seen a Gang member or person involved in some sort of illegal activity.

 

[GoodKat]

Really?
I guess you think there are no gangs or crime in Vancouver eh?

Talk to any one of these girls & they will have seen a Gang member or person involved in some sort of illegal activity.

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[Irresistible Isabelle]

Fyi

A reference doesn't have to be:

Do you know Jack Smith, age 53.6, height: 5'8, weight: 176, hair: balding salt & pepper...... employer: Simian Resources, position: CEO, work contact #: 604-555-1234

It's usually:

"Hi [SP],

A potential client offered you as a reference and I was wondering if you could confirm that's he's a good guy. He told me you'd know him as "Happy John" and he has a crooked smile with a dimple on the left side and his feet are really ticklish."

Nowhere is anyone saying that we need a gent's real name. We just need to know the name other SP's would know him as or his board handle.

I do ask for a cell number as that can be somewhat traced by the police, but not by me personally. A payphone is not acceptible as how am I to call you if I am delayed?

 

[Krustee]

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

Amazing how you seem to have missed the meaning of my post.

Try reading this:

I guess you are TOTALLY at the mercy of the integrity of the SP.

 

[tedsweettangv]

Pardon me but you are so full of it. You claim your info was leaked because she mentioned your "PJ's." On what planet is a man identified by his pajamas? You on the other hand felt the need to share A LOT of information that is potentially identifying. Save your sob story, no one is buying it.

I think it was Star Trek The Next Generation, Season 4 they were on that planet. Riker got arrested for sleeping in the nude because they could not identify him and then the question came up if he was really a person or not.

(sorry, could not resist)

 

[AA_Train]

A reference doesn't have to be:

Do you know Jack Smith, age 53.6, height: 5'8, weight: 176, hair: balding salt & pepper...... employer: Simian Resources, position: CEO, work contact #: 604-555-1234

It's usually:

"Hi [SP],

A potential client offered you as a reference and I was wondering if you could confirm that's he's a good guy. He told me you'd know him as "Happy John" and he has a crooked smile with a dimple on the left side and his feet are really ticklish."

Nowhere is anyone saying that we need a gent's real name. We just need to know the name other SP's would know him as or his board handle.

I do ask for a cell number as that can be somewhat traced by the police, but not by me personally. A payphone is not acceptible as how am I to call you if I am delayed?

There you go, someone with a clue that answered my questions to some degree as my post was probably one of the more relevant ones in this thread. If all you whiny little bitches could get off your fucking high-horses and try to come up with some constructive dialogue instead of trying to address an issue that affects all of us.

Informatiuon that should be shared
Email
Phone #
Name
Personal Opinion of person
A general physical description

Isabelle, I don't think a board name is particularly helpful as it is quite easy to play a character and will not always give proper insight into that person's character, but it may be a good tibit of info to have, as most information of any kind is.

Getting references of any kind is a bit of a pain in the ass but if it relaxes the lady and will make her better to be with, i don't think it's a big deal as long as we know what information is exchanged and we have some input into what that information is.

 

[Goldenrod]

Just because someone you know had a pleasant time with 'Pooner A' does not mean someone else won't find 'Pooner A' a scary motherfucker with stalker-esque tendencies who makes it his goal in life to ruin you.

How does a 'reference' automatically mean safety and compliance with the rules? Does the simple 'yeah, he didn't steal from me or try to fuck me up the asshole' from a colleague instantly mean the guy is going to play nice a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time around?

The business you are in is touch and go, you all make a choice every time you open your front door to a stranger, no matter how many times you (or a friend) have seen that person.

Bringing references into it all is just a donkey shit waste of time, for you and 'Pooner A'

 

[Irresistible Isabelle]

There you go, someone with a clue that answered my questions to some degree as my post was probably one of the more relevant ones in this thread. If all you whiny little bitches could get off your fucking high-horses and try to come up with some constructive dialogue instead of trying to address an issue that affects all of us.

Informatiuon that should be shared
Email
Phone #
Name
Personal Opinion of person
A general physical description

Isabelle, I don't think a board name is particularly helpful as it is quite easy to play a character and will not always give proper insight into that person's character, but it may be a good tibit of info to have, as most information of any kind is.

Getting references of any kind is a bit of a pain in the ass but if it relaxes the lady and will make her better to be with, i don't think it's a big deal as long as we know what information is exchanged and we have some input into what that information is.

What I meant by board handle reference is that say, PerbertA contacts me via PM and requests an appointment (or emails me and tells me he's PerbertA on perb) and gives say, VV, as a reference. I can PM/email VV and ask about "PerbertA" and she can give me the goods. If he has emailed me, I can ask him to shoot me a quick PM to confirm.

For those of us with stalkers and other concerns, which is why we often start screening, we can pose a simple question that would identify him as our troublemaker. Say my stalker is 6'4, a simple "Is he very tall?" will probably exclude him.

Just because someone you know had a pleasant time with 'Pooner A' does not mean someone else won't find 'Pooner A' a scary motherfucker with stalker-esque tendencies who makes it his goal in life to ruin you.

How does a 'reference' automatically mean safety and compliance with the rules? Does the simple 'yeah, he didn't steal from me or try to fuck me up the asshole' from a colleague instantly mean the guy is going to play nice a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time around?

The business you are in is touch and go, you all make a choice every time you open your front door to a stranger, no matter how many times you (or a friend) have seen that person.

Bringing references into it all is just a donkey shit waste of time, for you and 'Pooner A'

Somewhat true in that people can be nice to someone and a total nightmare for someone else, but you really have no idea how many of us screen in large part to avoid certain people.

Yes, some people will sneak through the cracks, but I'd bet the people who are chronically unpleasant will just avoid seeing those who make it known that they need references.

If it's a waste of your time to comply with someone's rules, don't see them. The fact that you are on a review board means you probably like to know a little about a girl before seeing them, and take the trouble to do a search on her name or are willing to post a review if you TOFTT. Why should it be any different for us?

 

[threepeat]

Maybe PERB can just add a "Members Only" section where the paying members (99% girls) can share client info? Just like the SP reviews, any identifying information (phone #s, addresses, etc.) is not allowed, but everything else is fair game.

That would be another incentive for SPs to become paying members, as well as some of those oh-so-narcissistic guys who crave to be reviewed and see what is said about them.