References

[Irresistible Isabelle]

Just a quick note, how many ladies are interested in requesting/offering references for/about clients?

Many of us have issues with stalkers, other security concerns, or just want to ensure the new person we are seeing is a nice person and is clean, polite, respectful, so we have taken to asking for references. Unfortunately, many SPs don't answer emails requesting said references.

Any thoughts?

 

[shedevil]

I have and tried.

IF they aren't petty people with petty jealousies over "their" clients, sure. Not fucking likely where I am.

IF they are able to properly identify people, sure. Not fucking likely where I am.

I have an excellent system that I use even just to remember someone. I can track a person I haven't seen in over 2 years. Unfortunately, I came to the conclusion that I was helping others while they lacked the information or flat out refused to help me. I don't mind sharing and helping, but after a few requests and no help it was obvious that these ladies only participated for their benefit. That, or they had no information.

That's fucking great considering I have given out many references to many ladies.

Some ladies in the 'peg had tried to do a referral system, and this one is great:

- Lady A joins and says she wants to help.
- I say fine
- Lady B emails me and says that lady A can't/won't/didn't provide information
- I call lady A as she's a friend of mine and inquire.
- Lady A says she doesn't keep track of anything, doesn't know any of her dudes and just worries about her money and moving on. Not even names.
- I ask Lady A, "How do you expect people to help you when you don't have the information?"
-Lady A has ADD and is very emotional and shedevil is a high functioning person with a short fuse. Lady A doesn't call shedevil anymore.

I deal with US ladies and provide them or basically any lady that isn't in my city. I have maybe one or two ladies locally that I still help; they are more stable. When I do provide them, I only confirm the client information that was provided to the other SP, I have more personal information on some people I see and wouldn't share or give out that information at all.

I hate posting novels, but that's my 2 cents.

SD

 

[sarahpassion]

I think it is great. When asked I have always tried to provide the info. There have been a couple of emails left unanswered, maybe they were too busy, or they don't want their reg venturing somewhere else...

It depends but you would think if the client was a regular, they would give you the heads up, and let you know they would like to use you for a reference, then it isn't so random when a girl gets an out of the blue email.

I'm in Izzy.

 

[Very Veronica]

If you want a reference, ask..if i get a reference request, i'm happy to oblige if i can. Seems always to be from the girls in the states however and has more to do with 'is this guy a cop.' I think it's pretty safe to say, a real nutcase is not going to bother a hi end girl where there's any kind of a paper trail and altho this sounds obvious, just don't respond to guys who are jerky to begin with.

This is the customer service biz and you're going to get some difficult people. If you want to avoid that, just see regulars. And don't get involved with drama which includes perb, groupie clients & other girls in the biz..& bad boyfriends/drugs which is pretty much how girls get into big trouble.

The real threat in this biz is for the girls on the street who get beaten & killed & no one notices.

 

[ASHLEYM]

The real threat in this biz is for the girls on the street who get beaten & killed & no one notices.

Amen to that!

 

[Irresistible Isabelle]

Thanks ladies.

I wasn't specifically asking for myself, if I want to know, I do ask the person directly and discreetly, and if someone asks, I always respond honestly, even if I don't know/like them. I was just wondering how many women are willing to offer them as many of my requests go unanswered.

For the record, I'm happy to offer them.

It would be great if there was someway, only if the gent asks, of leaving a mini client review that was attached to his handle. He could delete it if he wanted, but he couldn't fake a thumbs up from a SP's handle. It would make the screening process so much easier. I think V-bulletin has a "User Notes" function that could work like this, but I doubt the powers that be would be interested in taking the time and trouble to set it up.

 

[athaire]

Thanks ladies.

I wasn't specifically asking for myself, if I want to know, I do ask the person directly and discreetly, and if someone asks, I always respond honestly, even if I don't know/like them. I was just wondering how many women are willing to offer them as many of my requests go unanswered.

For the record, I'm happy to offer them.

It would be great if there was someway, only if the gent asks, of leaving a mini client review that was attached to his handle. He could delete it if he wanted, but he couldn't fake a thumbs up from a SP's handle. It would make the screening process so much easier. I think V-bulletin has a "User Notes" function that could work like this, but I doubt the powers that be would be interested in taking the time and trouble to set it up.

You are correct that there is an option for user notes. I think they upgraded this site to that last year didn't they? I think that would be a useful tool as well......good call......

 

[love.lots]

Use Me and Abuse Me!...

Hey Isabelle and Vanesssa, feel free to use me as your 'user notes' guinea pig if you want to try it out...just no comments about those 'restraints' okay?

 

[LoveEmAll]

Safe Date Site and Referrals

Actually have been wondering about this very issue of late. Techies: If the ladies were to set up a site for their own use ("Safe Date" Site) that they could confidentially use it to guage whether or not to take a new client on, what would be the best way to set this up that would allow for "bad date" postings and still provide client and SP confidentiality (security), ease of use, reliability, etc.

Already, a number of logistical issues come up. For starters, how can the ladies be assured that the men won't access it (am sure that some boyfriends will get access; how far of a leap is it that some of the nutjobs out there will find a way to access it too).

At the top of my head, I can think of two ways to track a date: Perb handle and their telephone number. Of course, some men will have a big issue of their numbers being shared anywhere (even confidentially) I imagine. But if they don't have a Perb handle, then how else can they be identified in a "bad date" file?

Has there been anything like this developed anywhere else in the world? Seems like a good idea to use today's technology to develop our own self-regulation mechanisms in this unregulated field.

How much would it cost to develop and maintain such a site?

As for referrals, well I am mixed on this. Frankly, I feel a bit awkward asking any of my dates for a reference. No need to explain this, it's just how I feel.

In fact, last year I PMed a well known SP about seeing her and she asked for a reference; I never replied back. My thought then was "read my posts, that should give you an idea of who I am."

And IMOHO, I am a fairly safe date. So, you may end up losing some decent dates with the "reference" approach.

One approach that I liked was Honey's. I think she read your posts, before she replied back to you. And then she created a dialogue before she decided to see you. She asked me for a phone number and email right up front. I gave her those including my business email address (which makes me very easy to track down btw).

My point is that I don't mind sharing enough with you so that you can be assured that I am trackable. And if anyone read my past posts and PMed one of my past reviews, no probs with me. But to "make me" come up with a name. No thanks, I am probably moving on.

Finally, reading past posts, and getting tel and email info is still no guarantee that you will be protected from some nutjobs. Some of them do write well. And lots of people use hotmail etc. that would be difficult to trace.

Anyway, this topic intrigues me, worth some discussion I think.

 

[shedevil]

There is a board in the US that most indy's use. A client of mine took a trip to Boston, and was unable to poon unless he was on one of these sites. They are client reviews with contact information that is used for the safety of US sp's. The one's that aren't sticky about it ask me for a reference by email.

I've wondered why something like this isn't in use here. Then there would be no need to keep information.

http://www.roomservice2000.com/roomservice2000.htm

 

[LoveEmAll]

RoomService2000

Very interesting, and I see how that can work too, especially in the US. They have a larger population - and a lot more crazy people too, I think! So, administratively and practically speaking, it makes sense to create it down there.

Noticed that this website has a BC (Vancouver and Victoria) section but no providers are listed on there. So, maybe Vancouver and Victoria SPs who want to crack the US market could post on here and also use the screening service that RoomService2000 provides.

For $50, pooners can become a lifetime member and then be able to crack the high-end market with easier access. Read the "Membership" section on how this thing works.

This intrigues me because I was in the States recently and tried doing a bit of research while Fox hunting down there and it wasn't fun! Seemed like many ladies were LE focused, and it just didn't seem safe as a consumer. So, I passed. Just returned home and pooned my money here like a good Canadian!

 

[littlejimbigher]

At the top of my head, I can think of two ways to track a date: Perb handle and their telephone number. Of course, some men will have a big issue of their numbers being shared anywhere (even confidentially) I imagine. But if they don't have a Perb handle, then how else can they be identified in a "bad date" file?

As for referrals, well I am mixed on this. Frankly, I feel a bit awkward asking any of my dates for a reference. No need to explain this, it's just how I feel.

In fact, last year I PMed a well known SP about seeing her and she asked for a reference; I never replied back. My thought then was "read my posts, that should give you an idea of who I am."

And IMOHO, I am a fairly safe date. So, you may end up losing some decent dates with the "reference" approach.

One approach that I liked was Honey's. I think she read your posts, before she replied back to you. And then she created a dialogue before she decided to see you. She asked me for a phone number and email right up front. I gave her those including my business email address (which makes me very easy to track down btw).

My point is that I don't mind sharing enough with you so that you can be assured that I am trackable. And if anyone read my past posts and PMed one of my past reviews, no probs with me. But to "make me" come up with a name. No thanks, I am probably moving on.

Finally, reading past posts, and getting tel and email info is still no guarantee that you will be protected from some nutjobs. Some of them do write well. And lots of people use hotmail etc. that would be difficult to trace.

Anyway, this topic intrigues me, worth some discussion I think.

I agree with you
Sometimes when I book a gal in advance either over the phone or via e-mail I will PM her if she is on PERB. That way she can see my posts and reviews and see that I'm a reasonable date. I think the only time references were asked for and ultimately rejected was once and that was because I didn't have a cell phone to call as I got close to her place. As if calling from a regular phone to book and then a payphone minutes before to get the exact address wasn't good enough.

 

[athaire]

I'm curious how the admin from one of these "reference" sites would be able to protect clients rights? I mean what is to stop an SP from putting up false info on a bad date or otherwise? Situations like the ones with Vanessa and Izzy speak to the need for better security. But what about the less than reputable providers that could be tempted to use a service for their own ends?

Ladies like the now infamous Nadia come to mind. While some may feel their radar regarding screening and judging the potential of a client/provider are great the simple fact is that everyone can be taken in at one time or another.......

 

[AA_Train]

So now the expensive pussy wants a resume' ?
hehehehehe , this has got to be the dumbest , post on perb ever!!!
You girls can all join CLM , charge way tooo much and only see clients with security clearance and good resume's.
good luck. maybe you should think about a new profession!

I used to share the same sentiment (althiugh I think the way it's stated is a little harsh) because I figured that this business is a high risk, high payout scenario for the ladies and you have to take the good with the bad and the ugly. But what this boils down to is HEALTH AND SAFETY. The woman don't want a crazy, craked-out guy swimming with disease any more we would want a lady with the same attributes. The statement quoted above is a classic example of how some guys on this board tend to de-humanize the women on this board and that's just sad.

A few questions though

1. How do you deal with say a person who has never been with an SP before and the one he wants his "first time" to be with requires references. Would he have to see a couple of woman before he got to you? And if so, wouldn't that possibly take away from your business and possibly let another lady acquire a loyal steady client? And if you made and exception in his case, wouldn't that undermine the whole system?

2. Already been discussed but what information would be exchanged? No lady who has contributed to this thread has given information regarding what specifically they want. a list of mock questions would be nice and maybe some feedback regarding hat info pooners would want shared. I feel that this practice, while well-meaning ,walks the line of breaking client-SP confidentiality.

3. Again, already discussed but what's to stop women from giving you disinformation? While many women on here would be happy to share "relevant" information others may get a bit territorial with their men, as women are known to do from time to time, even if it is business. It could potentially mean the loss of a client for them, so why would they share ant info about them?

Discuss

 

[Krustee]

I`m curious how the admin from one of these "reference" sites would be able to protect clients rights? I mean what is to stop an SP from putting up false info on a bad date or otherwise? Situations like the ones with Vanessa and Izzy speak to the need for better security. But what about the less than reputable providers that could be tempted to use a service for their own ends?

Ladies like the now infamous Nadia come to mind. While some may feel their radar regarding screening and judging the potential of a client/provider are great the simple fact is that everyone can be taken in at one time or another.......

I guess you are TOTALLY at the mercy of the integrity of the SP.

What I find disturbing is all the SP`s who make posts about the "Tricks" who they have & how they need to protect themselves from them.

The honest truth here is -
this is an illegal activity.

You are not going to find the pillars of the community openly offering personal information so that you can do background & credit checks on them.

It is common knowledge that there are SP`s out there who have personal issues, for some it may be a personality disorder like;

histrionic personality disorder: including superficial charm, insincerity, egocentricity and manipulation.

narcissistic personality disorder: including grandiosity, self-focused lack of empathy for others, exploitativeness and independence.

obsessive-compulsive personality disorder: including perfectionism, excessive devotion to work, rigidity, stubbornness and dictatorial tendencies.

Bipolar I disorder: where an individual has experienced one or more manic episodes with or without major depressive episodes.

I am not saying all SP`s have these but how are we as a client to know before meeting them if we are giving our information to one who will "flip out" one day & use that info against us?

It is if nothing else, for those of us with a standing in the community or who hold public office, something to worry about.



Consider the following thread:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=88821

And this one:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=88829

And all the drama that went on with Nadia & those on both sides of that issue.
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81723&highlight=Nadia




This whole industry is based on a mutual trust for discretion & anonimity to those who need to maintain their privacy for personal reasons.

It is a two way street!

 

[love.lots]

There's Another Solution...

All 'first-timers' must schedule a duo of the SP's choosing... , might be more fun that way!

 

[uncleg]

The honest truth here is -
this is an illegal activity.

The "honest truth" is, no it is not illegal. Avoid the aspects that are and you have no problem.




I am not saying all SP's have these but how are we as a client to know before meeting them if we are giving our information to one who will "flip out" one day & use that info against us?

It is if nothing else, for those of us with a standing in the community or who hold public office, something to worry about.


This whole industry is based on a mutual trust for discretion & anonimity to those who need to maintain their privacy for personal reasons.

So, if you have a concern about being outed, and the SO, if you have one, can't keep you happy stay home and do it yourself.

 

[Krustee]

The honest truth here is -
this is an illegal activity.

The "honest truth" is, no it is not illegal. Avoid the aspects that are and you have no problem.




I am not saying all SP's have these but how are we as a client to know before meeting them if we are giving our information to one who will "flip out" one day & use that info against us?

It is if nothing else, for those of us with a standing in the community or who hold public office, something to worry about.


This whole industry is based on a mutual trust for discretion & anonimity to those who need to maintain their privacy for personal reasons.

So, if you have a concern about being outed, and the SO, if you have one, can't keep you happy stay home and do it yourself.

You just made my point for me.

If the SP's want to really attract quality clientele they need to give a impression of integrity, discretion & maturity otherwise they are scaring away those with something to lose.

Wealthy men either have a family, prominent position or a professional image they cannot afford to have impacted by an escort who cannot be trusted.

There are other folk who do not have these worries but they usually do not have the money & if they do they are probably shady characters.


C'est la vie

 

[FortunateOne]

Isn't it true that in the US, where it actually is illegal, clients wishing to see escorts are required to provide a great deal of info? Apparently, this does not discourage them. I doubt very much that a less than reputable escort or agency would require a lot of info, so it isn't really a big issue at all.

And to go on the opposite view, sps here (where it is legal) have managed to see new and new-to-them clients without these sorts of screening policies, without incident. After all, an outcall to your residence required your phone number and name, that's pretty personal.
I don't think she could do better than a phone call to him and go with the gut.

In the outside world, less than great employees are given good references because their previous employers don't want any fallout (like a court case) if they told the potential employer the guy is an idiot, took an excessive number of "sick" days, and basically spent most of his day avoiding work.

I can see the potential for the same hesitation here.

 

[C-Rations]

It ain't ever going to happen!!!!!
period.
It is the worlds oldest profession.

we the pooner and the ho share equal risks.
we can go see a crack ho freaky weirdo just as easy as a ho can get a cracked out weirdo for a trick.
99% of us will never give our personal data to a HO.
so if your going to make that mandatory before seeing you and u want to have a good business , good luck...hehehe!!

LOL.., scarey huh to have your info released to a stranger. If you dont have a family it might not big of a problem, but if you have a wife and childrens..., LOL to give out your personal info???. How many people to have their info stolen already nowadays?. They dont really know the whole purpose of this ref system for the US indy's.., not for the 1 who work with the agencies though but only to the indy's. Who ever want to try this system should find out first whats really going on and find out the whole purpose why the indy's using ref system in the US . Well.., I tried to b discreet in pooning but still getting some info leaked out to the public. My suggestion is to try working in the US as an indy and see what happend LOL.