Reality vs Perception

[Lee Marvin]

So true and you identified the difference between the lower end and higher end ladies.Bravo.....

Actually my point is there's no protection with price, independancy, booking time, or approach.
The two issues I mention in my summary are with higher end, independant sp's who advertise right here. One cancelled a date without so much as telling me even though I'd patiently waited two weeks trying to get a booking. The other changed her mind because the sound of my voice reminded her of someone who upset her. She conditionally apologised saying I shouldn't take it personally. Of course she's right but tell that to my mental and physical blue balls.
Apparently by asking if I should text when I'm on the way over also reminded her of some guy she fears so she suddenly decides to cancel even though she know's I'm not him. If she hadn't, an hour later she would have found out I'm a guy who specializes in getting my partners relaxed and turned on.

 

[Dickson]

Actually my point is there's no protection with price, independancy, booking time, or approach.
The two issues I mention in my summary are with higher end, independant sp's who advertise right here. One cancelled a date without so much as telling me even though I'd patiently waited two weeks trying to get a booking. The other changed her mind because the sound of my voice reminded her of someone who upset her. She conditionally apologised saying I shouldn't take it personally. Of course she's right but tell that to my mental and physical blue balls.
Apparently by asking if I should text when I'm on the way over also reminded her of some guy she fears so she suddenly decides to cancel even though she know's I'm not him. If she hadn't, an hour later she would have found out I'm a guy who specializes in getting my partners relaxed and turned on.

My apologies Mr Marvin, missed your.point as I.was focused on my concerns.

There are no guarantees in life my friend but the chances of them happening with lower end ladies.is much higher or at least from my perspective. I can give you a.ton of examples and stories I have experienced. Yes there are issues with the high end but not as bad as the low end unless it happens to you.

I have the same issue with a few agencies who refuse to send me ladies because of a misunderstanding. Oh well just move.on there are a lot of other agencies and independents who will see me. I have balled balled by a few.ladies I have had to cancel meetings and I have had meetings cancelled on me. Shit happens. Sorry for your loss but they loss out even more.

I had one SP who was to meet me in Prague and I sent her a ticket. I went to the airport to.pick her up and she never showed. I called and she got.cold feet. I had seen her a number of times but she just felt uncomfortable. But she said she really wanted to be with.me. Yes I am sucker for.being wanted. So I sent her a new ticket. I call when she.was to be.boarding. Once again she.had cold feet and did not board. Shit.happens.

I had another high end lady from Vancouver who was suppose to meet me in LA. I had organized a wedding for myself. Got her a dress, shoes, spa day. String quartet, dinner on the cliff over looking the ocean. Went all out. She never showed. She changed her.mind. So I can relate my man I can relate. Damn it hurts. Can't say we.don't try. Move on. I am told this game is like gambling we know we have weak odds of winning but the possibility is the so we.keep trying. Then we find a winner. The perfect lady. It is a blast. Oh the games we play.

 

[Lee Marvin]

The last couple indignities have hit far harder than I could have imagined or cared for. I've been forced to look at why this blue ball thing is so agitating. It is powerful emotion expressed in terms of a joke. Rejection cuts straight through our ego humbling us with exposing our powerlessness. I want her but I can't have her. I'm powerless to do anything about it. Many men here are here because they've experienced rejection in normal relationship. Then to add rejection in a paid scenario and the defeating effect is compounded. "I can't even get it when I'm paying for it."
It's a paranoid industry subject to reams of exploitation in both directions. Few find any real satisfaction amongst all the exploitation. Mostly my point was to air my beef with two ladies who needlessly let me down and caused me pain. If this thread is on their radar they'll recognise the conflicts. It has always been personal experiences between individuals. I just hope my postings from my point of view can continue the discussion on respect really truly being a two way street.

 

[nickcan]

My apologies Mr Marvin, missed your.point as I.was focused on my concerns.

There are no guarantees in life my friend but the chances of them happening with lower end ladies.is much higher or at least from my perspective. I can give you a.ton of examples and stories I have experienced. Yes there are issues with the high end but not as bad as the low end unless it happens to you.

I have the same issue with a few agencies who refuse to send me ladies because of a misunderstanding. Oh well just move.on there are a lot of other agencies and independents who will see me. I have balled balled by a few.ladies I have had to cancel meetings and I have had meetings cancelled on me. Shit happens. Sorry for your loss but they loss out even more.

I had one SP who was to meet me in Prague and I sent her a ticket. I went to the airport to.pick her up and she never showed. I called and she got.cold feet. I had seen her a number of times but she just felt uncomfortable. But she said she really wanted to be with.me. Yes I am sucker for.being wanted. So I sent her a new ticket. I call when she.was to be.boarding. Once again she.had cold feet and did not board. Shit.happens.

I had another high end lady from Vancouver who was suppose to meet me in LA. I had organized a wedding for myself. Got her a dress, shoes, spa day. String quartet, dinner on the cliff over looking the ocean. Went all out. She never showed. She changed her.mind. So I can relate my man I can relate. Damn it hurts. Can't say we.don't try. Move on. I am told this game is like gambling we know we have weak odds of winning but the possibility is the so we.keep trying. Then we find a winner. The perfect lady. It is a blast. Oh the games we play.

Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper if you married a young beautiful Eastern European woman? Have an iron clad prenup and the marriage takes place in a country where divorce laws aren't clear cut 50/50.
Lots of women would die to marry a guy like you. You will say they will marry me for money, what do you think the SP see you for?

If you like variety then marry/divorce every year, lol

 

[Dickson]

The last couple indignities have hit far harder than I could have imagined or cared for. I've been forced to look at why this blue ball thing is so agitating. It is powerful emotion expressed in terms of a joke. Rejection cuts straight through our ego humbling us with exposing our powerlessness. I want her but I can't have her. I'm powerless to do anything about it. Many men here are here because they've experienced rejection in normal relationship. Then to add rejection in a paid scenario and the defeating effect is compounded. "I can't even get it when I'm paying for it."
It's a paranoid industry subject to reams of exploitation in both directions. Few find any real satisfaction amongst all the exploitation. Mostly my point was to air my beef with two ladies who needlessly let me down and caused me pain. If this thread is on their radar they'll recognise the conflicts. It has always been personal experiences between individuals. I just hope my postings from my point of view can continue the discussion on respect really truly being a two way street.

Listen I feel the same way. I have paid big dollars then go out and buy then gift, and take them places, show them things they never would see. Then all you want is a little affection and they lock.themself in the bathroom. They don't show. Or I.had one picking up guys in the hotel.lobby after I fell asleep. I have ladies abuse my kindness and clean out my condo, even made mortgage the house I put in her name.

But who was the fool who should I be upset with. Them or me. I tell you it is not their fault I was an idiot. I was tied up and left in a hotel until the maid found me in the morning. That was so humiliating. So consider you re self lucky if the only thing is that they said no or did not show up of. Agree to see you. I have SPs who refuse to see me due to my size. I have ladies take my money and pass out on me. I paid $17,000 for a wedding that was a nightmare. Rejection happens in the hobby all the time. Best thing is get over it. Then call up the best SPs out there until you find one who will see you. I know who I would call. I keep.calling her until she has an opening. Then being with her is amazing. Takes away all the rejection I ever had.

Move on man. Move on........

 

[hornygandalf]

Thanks Horny, but you need to understand what you see is an illusion that Ms James is is able to create once she understands the client. Make no mistake about it, it is an illusion. Like a great magician she is able to get you to see what you want to see. She encourages it, and she massages it, and she is able to make you think it is real. Just as she made you think that this attractive Lady was seeking a couple men to join her for a drink. That was just in a few moments of meeting her.

... She sets and creates a place in your mind that causes you to think it is real. What is exciting is when she takes the fantasy to the rest of the world to see. Like in your case. I bet she is smiling reading your thoughts. BINGO she got you thinking that there is more to what she created by opening up my fantasy. What is exciting for her is when she leaves and you think it is real. Like she says she falls in love with each client. I ask her after a year of seeing her, taking her around the globe, ... Do not mistake the Illusion for any thing else. It is a mirage that your mind wants to think. You and I both wanted to see an attractive young lady falling for us. She just encourages that to happen. We think it is real because she feeds all senses to make us think it is real. Our perception now becomes our new reality. Then the ride is over and we feel we were gullible. But we were just giving into to what our mind wants to see. Catherine is amazing as weaving this and playing on our own desires and wants. I guess that is why I am addicted to her.

To see more than that is missing the reality. .... What you experienced watch us together was watching her weave her magic or the dream I want.

Catherine is a dream weaver and depending on your dream she will give you what you want and need like no other.

Indeed, that may be so, and maybe I was just taken in by the magic she wove with you. Her eyes were all on you during our dinner, but I sense there might be more based on other exchanges. There is that possibility. Only time will tell on that one, but don't dismiss the possibility, or let your past experiences colour the possibilities here. Or maybe I'm just a hopeless romantic who having experienced a particular connection in my own life, sees it as a possibility in others. But heh, if Catherine ends up smiling over this, is there really any problem with that? Dreamweaver or reality, or something in between. Doesn't really matter.

 

[Caramel]

Listen I feel the same way. I have paid big dollars then go out and buy then gift, and take them places, show them things they never would see. Then all you want is a little affection and they lock.themself in the bathroom. They don't show. Or I.had one picking up guys in the hotel.lobby after I fell asleep. I have ladies abuse my kindness and clean out my condo, even made mortgage the house I put in her name.

But who was the fool who should I be upset with. Them or me. I tell you it is not their fault I was an idiot. I was tied up and left in a hotel until the maid found me in the morning. That was so humiliating. So consider you re self lucky if the only thing is that they said no or did not show up of. Agree to see you. I have SPs who refuse to see me due to my size. I have ladies take my money and pass out on me. I paid $17,000 for a wedding that was a nightmare. Rejection happens in the hobby all the time. Best thing is get over it. Then call up the best SPs out there until you find one who will see you. I know who I would call. I keep.calling her until she has an opening. Then being with her is amazing. Takes away all the rejection I ever had.

Move on man. Move on........

You tried to do a wedding roleplay?

 

[Lee Marvin]

Apparently Van Gogh cut off his ear when a courtesan he was patronizing blew him off for his rival Gaugin in Spain. It is tradition to cut the ear off the bull at the end of a bull fight when the bull has lost. He arrived at the Brothel and gave his ear to his courtesan in defeat before departing.

 

[sybian]

Van Gogh was also bat shit crazy....

 

[Lee Marvin]

Crazy.... Genius....
Definitely genius. Lonely genius.

 

[hornygandalf]

There is a fine line between craziness and genius, and sometimes the line isn't so fine and encompasses both.

 

[Dickson]

You tried to do a wedding roleplay?

Yes my dear. The wedding is one of my all time favorite.role plays. I have been doing them for years. My lawyer likes it less costly than a real wedding.

My last two were not the best. One the SP never showed up after book her flights, wedding dress, string quartet, photographer etc.. And another got nervous and well lets say she was under weather.

Even when you pay them it is hard to find SPs to play the role. Oh well role play are not for every.

 

[Edward Lei]

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ATF or not, that's just fucked up.

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

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ATF or not, that's just fucked up.

Who are we to judge others' fantasies?
To each their own strongly applies when it comes to this industry and the experiences gentlemen want to indulge in with their companion of choice. As long as both partners are on the same page and understand one another, what does it matter?

If we all had the same inclinations for fantasies and identical/similar desires and needs, etc., life in general would be pretty boring.

 

[Dickson]

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ATF or not, that's just fucked up.

Mr Lei,

Are we not all fucked up some way or another. So we indulge or over indulge to excess.

We drink too much, smoke too much, over use drugs, over use SPs, do we not spend obscene amounts on clothes, cars, recreation? Come on we all have our vices.

We seek out how we can turn our fantasies and dream in to our reality. Or is it just me running away from my reality to live in my fantasy life?

 

[Edward Lei]

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Yes but there are different levels of fucked upness and that wedding fantasy puts you pretty high on the totem pole considering the demographic here. Most guys on here would equate your "fantasy" to being a nightmare and wouldn't wish it on their worst enemy.

I may think differently than most but no, I don't fall into any of your listed categories of vices and have fairly good restraint. It doesn't make me any better than you or anyone else, just less fucked up.

 

[Dickson]

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Yes but there are different levels of fucked upness and that wedding fantasy puts you pretty high on the totem pole considering the demographic here. Most guys on here would equate your "fantasy" to being a nightmare and wouldn't wish it on their worst enemy.

I may think differently than most but no, I don't fall into any of your listed categories of vices and have fairly good restraint. It doesn't make me any better than you or anyone else, just less fucked up.

Ok Mr Lei then consider me more fucked up than most. I guess we all want what we do not have. And what we have we do not appreciate until it is gone.

 

[Caramel]

Yes my dear. The wedding is one of my all time favorite.role plays. I have been doing them for years. My lawyer likes it less costly than a real wedding.

My last two were not the best. One the SP never showed up after book her flights, wedding dress, string quartet, photographer etc.. And another got nervous and well lets say she was under weather.

Even when you pay them it is hard to find SPs to play the role. Oh well role play are not for every.

that is so adorable ! she would need to be a great actress...so are other guests present too? and the guy who reads the vows and whatever (what is that called errr?) there as well?

Its not that effed up, its what turns him on!

 

[P3t3rp4n]

I like to spend money on Jordan's recently. Haven't found any cash to see a girl since the summer unfortunately.

 

[hornygandalf]

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Yes but there are different levels of fucked upness and that wedding fantasy puts you pretty high on the totem pole considering the demographic here. Most guys on here would equate your "fantasy" to being a nightmare and wouldn't wish it on their worst enemy.

I think you misunderstand Mr Lei. Dickson gets considerable pleasure from seeing the ladies he is with in rapturous joy and awe. He wants them to be happy. Thus, he creates fantasy scenarios to create that... if they can go with the flow and immerse themselves in the experience. To many ladies, a fairytale wedding is one of the dreams they aspire to. Dickson wants to see that look of absolute delight on the face of a lady, and a fairytale wedding ceremony is one way to do that... if successfully pulled off.

The nightmare you refer to is more typically what is experienced sometime after the wedding ceremony rather than during the ceremony itself. That part Dickson is staying well away from. Wise man. I've been there and it is not pleasant. But, that doesn't stop me from recognizing the joy and delight around the wedding ceremony itself.

Would I go through it a third time? In a heartbeat, if I was confident that I was with the right person. I have learned a lot as I have journeyed through difficult times, and yes, some nightmares. And I recognize the significant part I played in creating those difficult times and nightmares. Hopefully I am wiser and less likely to travel the same path. But, do I see avoiding the wedding ceremony as a way to avoid the nightmare. Not for me, although it is one way. Okay, call me a romantic, but I don't see Dickson's fantasy of experiencing fairytale weddings to be that fucked up... when everyone involved recognize that moment for the fantasy it is.