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The RCMP has compiled a list of 1,000 (or more) missing aboriginal women. The report was due to be released in March but is being vetted by various government offices.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcm...0-murdered-missing-aboriginal-women-1.2628372

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RCMP not denying report of 1,000 murdered, missing aboriginal women
APTN reported that RCMP arrived at tally after contacting other police forces across Canada

The Canadian Press Posted: May 01, 2014 11:05 AM ET Last Updated: May 01, 2014 11:05 AM ET

The Mounties are not disputing a report that they have identified more than 1,000 cases of missing and murdered aboriginal women and girls.

The Aboriginal Peoples Television Network reported that the RCMP arrived at their tally after contacting other police forces across the country.

APTN also reported the Public Safety Department is sitting on a copy of the RCMP report, which the network says was supposed to come out March 31.

Supt. Tyler Bates, director of national aboriginal policing and crime prevention services, referred questions to the RCMP's media relations office in Ottawa, which did not deny the APTN report.

But Sgt. Julie Gagnon says the RCMP report is not finalized and it would be premature for her to comment further.

Public Safety has yet to respond to questions.
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This is a perfect example of inflammatory rhetoric designed to mislead.

There is a HUGE difference between "missing" (of any race, gender, age, economic status) and "murdered". There are dozens, and maybe hundreds of people who go "missing" every day in Canada. Usually it's for benign or intentional reasons. The lower the economic gap, the more substance abuse, homelessness and joblessness, the more people move around without informing anyone.
 
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Cock Throppled said:
This is a perfect example of inflammatory rhetoric designed to mislead.

There is a HUGE difference between "missing" (of any race, gender, age, economic status) and "murdered". There are dozens, and maybe hundreds of people who go "missing" every day in Canada. Usually it's for benign or intentional reasons. The lower the economic gap, the more substance abuse, homelessness and joblessness, the more people move around without informing anyone.
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The RCMP have no reason to exaggerate these numbers. All it does is make them look bad.
 
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i suspect it's a tiny bit more complicated than it appears on the surface. rcmp get told that unless somebody files a complaint, that events on a reserve are 'hands off' as far as they are concerned

so being simplistic types, they end up saying, hey... not our problem

i realize that this attitude is not right, but as todd bertuzzi infamously said, 'it is what it is...'

hopefully the attitude is changing, as modern training for the force emphasizes many social factors. however, there are still more than a few yahoos making it through

as for the leaked news release, i'm shocked!!

i knew it was worse than the 'missing women' and 'highway of tears' cases, but 1,000? wow!!

this might be not bad timing for us pooners as it seriously underlines the conclusions of the supreme court vis-a-vis some of the current prostitution laws. the conservatives will be loathe to further criminalize actions surrounding prostitution and drive it further underground in the face of this news... i'm hoping :eek:
 
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Angela Arouses said:
You can damn well bet if it was a bunch of Caucasian women that went missing, they'd be on it like that. Just goes to show that that forced assimilation, racism, Colonization is STILL alive and "well". How do I know this so well? Dude, I am aboriginal. And no, we won't just get over it.
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There are probably considerably more than a thousand Caucasian women missing.

In the US about 600000 kids are reported missing each year (obviously most don't stay missing). Almost all of them are runaways. In Canada on a proportional basis (no reason to think it would be much different here) that would equate to about 60000 a year.

Down in the US the majority who go missing and stay that way are black males, but you rarely if ever hear about them. Again, it would be similar in Canada, where most people who go missing are probably lower socioeconomic males, not women. They just don't get reported however, and when they do, those reports are generally ignored. People tend to pay a lot more attention when a woman disappears off the radar than when a man does.

In most cases people who go missing and stay missing are near the bottom of the socioeconomic pecking order, and the vast majority of them go missing on purpose, have weak ties to their family and/or community and have no interest in being found.
 
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The belief seems to be there are dozens of Weird Willie Picktons out there collecting Aboriginal bodies. Really? Even with our lame systems patterns of serial killings are usually noticed quite quickly, even if the killers aren't identified. This is certainly true over the last 15 years.

Do those same deep thinkers really want to see an investigation if it shows the abusers/killers are Native?

What is the proportion of missing and murdered white women? Is it higher, lower or the same? Did 800 go missing from 1984-1990 and fewer every year since, or have the statistics been constant?

Apparently we're talking about a 30 year time span. A lot of things have changed in 30 years.

Throwing out blanket numbers without reference points and viable information makes the report virtually impossible to quantify.
 
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"Tossing out numbers without facts is irresponsible and inflammatory." I agree with this statement which doesn't take away from Angela is saying either
 
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Canada is a great country whose citizens congratulate themselves daily on how great the country is that we live in . . . and . . . our leaders let other countries know how short they fall of our high standards. http://globalnews.ca/news/1304902/mass-abduction-of-girls-in-nigeria-absolutely-repugnant-baird/ Foreign Minister John Baird blamed and condemned the group for what he called an “absolutely repugnant” act.

Is it just me or is it not congruent that the Canadian government won't look into " police files had found more than 1,000 cases of murdered aboriginal women and girls dating back 30 years" but does weigh in on missing girls half way around the world.

Now it is clear that the circumstances of "how" the women and girls went missing is not the same in that in Canada it appears to be a steady trickle rather than the tidal wave in Nigeria but isn't it the case that the families of all missing would share the same worries, concerns, and need for information? If one of the missing were my daughter, wife, sister, mother, niece . . . how would my thoughts differ from what they are today? That might be the question we ought to ask ourselves.

Whether the Aboriginal women went missing because they were kidnapped or just walked away due to crisis, abuse, low socio-economic conditions really ought not matter. And if Canada truly held itself to the standards we are all so proud of wouldn't we want to take action to alleviate the low socio-economic conditions that lead to such behavior?

And remember, Canada is a great country that treats everyone equallyahahahahahaahhahahaaaaa A couple white girls commit suicide because internet tormentors and Canada wants to look into that and enact laws . . . we have a long way to go to live up to what we boast about internationally.
 
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OK, the article says 1,017 murdered between 1980 and 2012 and an aditional 169 missing and believed murdered since 1952. they do not identify how many remain unsolved. And of the solved cases, they do not provide any sort of break-down to help identify what sort of action might be effective in addressing this issue. Domestic violence? High risk lifestyle? Other? On reserve or off? In no way am I suggesting that the victims bear any blame in this, but one needs to understand what is occurring to be able to form proper policy to address it. For example, spending a lot of time and money creating programs to address at risk off reserve women will not address the larger problem if most of the cases are on-reserve domestic violence.

I would expect thet the report likely has such a breakdown but for some reason the media are feeding out small nuggets of information from the report rather than just telling the whole story.
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From what I can gather, the purpose of compiling these numbers was to spur inquiry into finding out exactly that kind of information so that some sort of effective action could be initiated.
 
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HankQuinlan said:
It turns out that report had nothing to do with casual "missing persons" reports. It lists only confirmed murders of aboriginal women and a much smaller number that they obviously believed were murdered.

"Aboriginal women make up 4% of the Canadian population and 16% of murdered females." That is indeed a shocking number.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcm...han-1-000-murdered-aboriginal-women-1.2630456
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I bet if you look at the homicide rate for women in the non-aboriginal sub-populations that have a similar socio-economic profile you will find that the two groups are not all that different.

You are far more likely to be the victim of a homicide if you are poor than if you are rich.
 
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