Rape legalization advocate planning Vancouver meet-up for followers

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Credit: Vancity Buzz- http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2016/02/return-of-kings-vancouver-meetup/

The followers of an American man who advocates for the legalization of rape on private property are planning a Vancouver meet-up.

Dayrush Valizadeh, known online simply as Roosh V, runs the controversial Return of Kings website that also discusses topics like “female privilege,” and taking away voting rights for women. Valizedeh also published a book titled Bang: The Pickup Bible That Helps You Get More Lays in 2007.

165 meet-ups in 43 countries have been planned around the world to discuss ideas based on Valizadeh’s teachings, all occurring on Saturday, February 6. There are 10 planned Canadian meet-ups, including two in the Metro Vancouver area.


Mayor Gregor Robertson told Vancity Buzz in a statement that Valizadeh’s teachings have no place in Vancouver:

“Vancouver is known throughout the world for our steadfast commitment to inclusion, equality, and freedom from discrimination and hatred. We strive for all residents to feel safe regardless of their gender, sexuality, faith, or ethnicity – and the violent and hateful positions spread by this organization are about as far apart from Vancouver’s values as I can imagine.”

Originally, the meet-up was planned for the south steps of the Vancouver Art Gallery, but as the group garnered local media attention, the location was replaced with an email address and a series of steps one must take to learn its secret location.

A local women’s rights group called Guerrilla Feminist Collective is planning a peaceful protest outside the original location.

“What we want to do is create a positive counter-protest in response to this negativity,” Guerrilla Feminist Collective co-founder Jennifer Kim told Vancity Buzz. “Our motivation isn’t to ban people from gathering or meeting or thinking the wrong thing – I think it’s good that it’s been revealed that these kinds of people exist.”

Kim said her group is adamant about keeping the protest non-violent and without confrontations or contact – what she says is the exact opposite of Valizadeh’s teachings.

“I think it’s interesting that they are emboldened enough to be so public and that they are trying to build a kind of movement, but we’ve seen this in many other sectors of society – people who are anti-immigration, anti-refugee, anti-gay, and these people also subscribe to these kinds of hateful prejudices as well.”
 

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Beverly Hills. In the Kitchen eatin' vittles.
The sad part is we all, including the media should just ignore Neanderthals like this guy because it really is publicity they desire but on the other hand it is important to inform the public that this piece of shit is actually walking the streets.
Maybe someone should bend him and his followers over a tree stump and have go at them with a toilet brush. Then we'll see if he still thinks rape is okay.
 

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Hey, Jethro Bodine, once these dudes "rape" women, they'll be sent to jail and payback will be them being the bitches!! luv the toilette brush idea tho :)

I agree, Vancity Divas, anyone who would even consider this is a total douche bag...

Omg Sonny Burnett, they talked about taking away women's right to vote!!? Wow, talk about neanderthals!

I feel sad that some in society feel it is even an option, there must be some pretty desperate men out there if they think this is a direction they need to go. They all need counseling imo, and the dude leading this sounds like what has been going on in Germany or something. All I know if anyone tries that shit with Me, it's an eye for an eye!!! Literally! I have been saying this for years, Ladies, take some self-defense, be aware and learn how to defend yourselves!!!

I think there is an art to picking up a date, much like Cosmo gives ladies tips to satisfy their man, I'm sure there are mags for men like maxim that give tips on how to attract a mate. What this group is talking about is a hell of a lot more sinister than just learning how to be a more attractive man.

Guys considering this, BEWARE! I think you will all put yourselves at risk of your own freedom... you don't want to end up in jail being some hardened inmates BITCH! Or encountering a woman like myself who is not afraid to defend herself at ALL costs, and who is capable of doing so. I'm sure there are many more and you WILL go to jail. Just cause some guy says jump of the bridge are you going to do it?? Didn't think so. The guy should be arrested for inciting hate and violence against women. imo.
 

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Would love to hear him try to debate this and defend his ideas.
He probably doesn't really believe any of it, but makes a fortune of losers who blame women for all their failures.
Just a moneymaking scheme like Scientology.
 

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Any publicity is good publicity. He is getting so much free press which will drive sales of his ebook and hits to his website. That is the purpose of the visit and the comments isn't it? Call me a cynic.
 

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This guy is just trying to get free media attention.

Yes he is the ultimate douchebag and yes he has everyone talking about his group.

It's like when a troll comes on Perb. Everyone has to reply to him/her and if people just kept quiet, he would just go away.

Never thought I would say it but props to Mayor Moonbeam for making a statement that he and his group are unwelcome in Vancouver.
 

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I can't even read about this topic it is so disgusting, why do people keep referring to having sex without condom "fucking raw", does that mean their dick is cooked with a condom on it? All of it is just making me sick to my stomach, what a useless waste of flesh that guy is...I'm sure the most he's ever gotten was raping drunk girls, for sure.
 

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Look left. Way left.
Glad to see the meetings here in the open.

I like freedom of speech.

It also shows us where the a-holes are out in the public where we can see them

They are more dangerous if they are underground.
 

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I object to their comparison to Neanderthals in this thread. Neanderthals were relatively intelligent and civilized compared to their contemporaries, until our ancestors rendered them extinct. It's a poor comparison. :)
 

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I object to their comparison to Neanderthals in this thread. Neanderthals were relatively intelligent and civilized compared to their contemporaries, until our ancestors rendered them extinct. It's a poor comparison. :)
Which contemporaries of the Neanderthal? Homo Sapiens? The Denisovans? Civilized is a less than useful word in this case as no primate of that period had any recognizable civilization. They likely had cultures of one sort or another, but then the world of PUAs (pathetically useless a$$holes?) is a culture too. Given we now almost nothing about Neanderthal culture, I agree that the comparison with this group is not well founded.
Perhaps for academic accuracy, we can just call them dickheads.
 

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No, in cases of a movement scapegoating or inciting hatred, it is safer to suppress them & force them underground. Tolerating a venue for a (currently) fringe group allows such a group to attract adherents and evolve their policies. Groups like the German Nazis and Italian Fascists started out as fringe groups. The French National Front and the British National Party have strong followings today. The current Jobbik government in Hungary is pretty much a modern fascist state. Tough economic times bring out the demagogues and the newly marginalized people get drawn to their simplistic solutions their proclamations that the 'other' is the problem.

Folks like this one seem almost laughable but their adherents can be a uneducated scourge on society. Just look at the Freemen of the Land and their ilk.

And, apparently the meeting has been cancelled according to an update in the article referred to in the first sentence of the OP's post. So score one for pushing them back into the underground.
"No, in cases of a movement scapegoating or inciting hatred, it is safer to suppress them & force them underground." Kind of like us? Does that really foster a free open society? I don't think it's safe. How will you know that the movement being forced underground is actually one that should be forced underground?
 

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Any publicity is good publicity. He is getting so much free press which will drive sales of his ebook and hits to his website. That is the purpose of the visit and the comments isn't it? Call me a cynic.
Worked for Ann Coulter.
 
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Larry Storch

Maybe its my new reading glasses, but does anyone else notice the 900 lb. hypocritical gorilla in this thread?
You're pissed off at someone who (stupidly) made a statement advocating rape; so you make statements advocating rape. Really? You can't condemn someone for doing something and then do the exact same thing you condemn them for and be any different.
Although I'm sure its hard to see the difference from 'way up there '.

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Maybe someone should bend him and his followers over a tree stump and have go at them with a toilet brush. Then we'll see if he still thinks rape is okay.
You have no idea what you are talking about. If I were to provide a detailed account of my experiences growing up, no one in these forums would make it past the first four sentences, this thread wold be deleted and I'd probably be banned for posting "inappropriate content".

Hey, Jethro Bodine, once these dudes "rape" women, they'll be sent to jail and payback will be them being the bitches!! luv the toilette brush idea tho :)(snip)
You present yourself as a professional Domme, yet you display this attitude. I'm supposed to put my physical safety and emotional well being in your hands? I think not. There's an expression I'm sure you've heard:
"Submissive, not Stupid."
Seeing you would be stupid.

Well, I'm not against mister V being raped by a felon in the pen.

Just sayin'....
Do you have any idea how many women are raped in prison every year? Who do you think is doing it? These rapes are perpetuated by women on women. Some of them come out of prison so mutilated they are incapable of ever having a physical relationship.

"Just sayin'...."

If advocating rape against women is unacceptable, then advocating rape against men is unacceptable.
Equality is a two way street, NOT a double standard.

Grow the fuck up.
 

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Larry - if I may - I believe your point comes down to a philosophical question, ie is it right for us as a society to punish the GUILTY (rapists, murderers, etc.) in the
exact same way that they have inflicted punishment on the INNOCENT? An eye for an eye? I believe it is.
 

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Larry, I wasn't advocating in favour of rape against men. I was advocating for Vroosh to experience the very thing that he promotes as acceptable when a man enacts it on a woman (he advocates for it to be legal and socially acceptable). Perhaps then he will have an appreciation for why we dislike his policies so much.

I am aware that women in all womens facilities tend to rape other women. Just as men rape other men. It is about power and control... which, honestly, is probably not much different than why people on the outside do it. In their lives, the only thing they can exert control over is themselves and whomever they can cowtow around them. Outside of that, their lives are entirely beyond their control, and they are flailing in the dark.

Let's be very clear... the people you are attempting to advocate for are victims, in their own fashion. Vroosh is not a victim. He is a victimizer. If he is incapable of understanding the position of his victims, then something needs to happen to allow him to empathize.

When he is able to see the error of his ways, then I will afford him some sympathy.

Maybe you need to take a step back and calm down... is there some personal experience that is causing you to take this far too seriously and lash out at people in such a vehement fashion?
 
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I don't know much about this guy, but is he really a rape advocate, or did he just make an offhand comment at some point? There is a big difference.

As I understand it, he wrote some comments once in a blog, and has apparently since claimed it was satire. If he is not consistently promoting it, then he is not an advocate of it.
 

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It would appear that his claim to fame is promoting the "pick up artist" lifestyle. It seems to me that people are using these rape comments he made as a tool for trying to exclude him, when the real reason for them wanting to do so is his promotion of the whole PU thing. The "PU artist" thing may be reprehensible, but it isn't illegal, so those who don't want him around are instead using a different tactic and embellishing something else to achieve their objective.
 
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