Question for the Gentlemen....

[sinfulsydnee]

Here's the story gentlemen...I just got back from a fabulous little trip out to Saskatoon...I met some awesome new clients, had a great time and would definitely go back...however - and this is where the question comes in - I had 6 advanced bookings that fell through....3 were last minute cancellations and 3 were no shows...taking all these bookings in advance precluded me from booking with others and unfortunately I had to turn away sessions which I would have been able to take had I not had these no shows and cancellations...

now, in addition, I had one client who booked a 3 hour session...I didn't want to block 3 hours on the "if come" so to speak so I asked the client for a $100 deposit to secure the booking...he was happy to comply and I gave him the option of an email money transfer or paypal - both pretty anonymous ways to send cash - he chose paypal...all was well - we had a great session...

so, my question (finally...lol) is: If ladies are touring and taking advanced bookings, would you be adverse to sending a deposit to secure your session? I'm talking about either $50 or $100 depending on the type of session booked...if you need to cancel the session for some reason and you cancel at least 24 hours prior, you would receive your deposit back...if you cancel with less than 24 hours notice but more than 18 hours notice, you could apply your deposit to a future session, if you cancel within 6 hours of the appointment you would forfeit your deposite altogether...

This would certainly alleviate the no shows and perhaps encourage more ladies to visit other cities I think...but more importantly, what do you think?

 

[therealrex]

I would also require a deposit from the lady to insure the return of my deposit if she decides to cancel her trip at the last minute even though that never happens

 

[sinfulsydnee]

Fair comment...

I would also require a deposit from the lady to insure the return of my deposit if she decides to cancel her trip at the last minute even though that never happens

ok that's fair...however, sarcasm aside, if you are a no show at your doctor, dentist, hair stylist, massage therapist, lawyer, psychologist or esthetician (I know men who have manicures...lol), you are expected to pay anywhere from $20 - $50 which often times gets billed to you...if you don't pay that fee, you cannot make future appointments...so while this would be the reverse obviously, is it really something that you wouldn't consider doing?

 

[Easy Marie]

Why don't you offer a pre pay incentive...like a reasonable discount on the price or an extra of their choosing. I think that when you have a man on the line it's up to you to build rapport and enough trust that he's confident you're a legitimate business person who wont screw him over. If you cant do that you're in the wrong line of work sugartits

 

[wannaliquorbox]

i know a french girl living here who goes to edmonton and calgary or back home to quebec on a fairly regular basis. she explained that vancouver has been a bit slow for her the past couple of years.

 

[Irresistible Isabelle]

Sorry to hear about what happened Sydnee. The same thing happened when I went to Victoria. By the time I covered the cost of expenses for the trip, I only made a couple hundred for the entire week. Definitely get deposits.

 

[sinfulsydnee]

I have often wondered why SP's go on tour so to speak. Is there not enough business in the areas you live in to do away with these tours? I don't think any SP can compare themselves to doctors, dentists etc. in regards to your example. Is a tour so you can see other parts of the country/world while working or is it you just need time away from home? Just interested to know.......thanks.

When I first started working, I asked the same question myself...then I found that I was getting requests from gentlemen in other cities for me to visit...initially it wasn't enough to warrant making the trip as I'm sure you know the expenses involved in visiting are substantially more than they are staying home...not to mention the inconvenience associated with living out of suitcases but having said that...the visit I just had in Saskatoon was great fun...I just felt badly that I had to turn away suitors due to bookings made bi men who chose not to show up...

as far as my comparison of SP's to doctors, etc...I don't necessarily agree with you however I also listed massage therapists and hair stylists...most of the people who work in these services charge a no show fee or cancellation fee if the appointment is cancelled within 24 hours...and that was really the reason for the comparison...

so, given the question HH, would the need for a deposit preclude you from seeing a visiting lady?

 

[CalgaryJenn]

I have often wondered why SP's go on tour so to speak. Is there not enough business in the areas you live in to do away with these tours? I don't think any SP can compare themselves to doctors, dentists etc. in regards to your example. Is a tour so you can see other parts of the country/world while working or is it you just need time away from home? Just interested to know.......thanks.

Some sp's just need a change, variety ya know like aside from your wive's and GF's nothing because of not enough business it's just a change of scenery. Our wages are very comparible as to those of doctor's, lawyer's and dentist's My touring is just to get away and see other face's and place's.

 

[sinfulsydnee]

Why don't you offer a pre pay incentive...like a reasonable discount on the price or an extra of their choosing. I think that when you have a man on the line it's up to you to build rapport and enough trust that he's confident you're a legitimate business person who wont screw him over. If you cant do that you're in the wrong line of work sugartits

While the prepay incentive is a great concept, I think that gentlemen who are not inclined to pay a deposit are going to be even less likely to prepay for an entire session regardless of the incentive...particularly because my sessions are either all inclusive or specialty sessions to begin with...once again, I would refer a gentleman to the review boards for his own benefit and to find out the current reputation of any sp, myself included...and while yes, I do believe the onus is on me to build a potential client's confidence that I "won't screw him over", the trust must be reciprocal...I am trusting him with a great deal more than money...so, in short, I am not in the wrong line of work - I just do business on good faith as well as best practices...thanks for your comment - just so you know, I'm definitely not a "sugartits" type...more the marshmallow covered barbed wire type actually

 

[sinfulsydnee]

Sorry to hear about what happened Sydnee. The same thing happened when I went to Victoria. By the time I covered the cost of expenses for the trip, I only made a couple hundred for the entire week. Definitely get deposits.

thanks Izzy...I have to say, regardless of the no shows, etc...I had such a great time that I'm not adverse to doing this again...however, I think that deposits seem to be the way to go to avoid winding up out-of-pocket...btw, I am definitely coming to Vancouver in April and I expect (tongue-in-cheek) to enjoy your company for a cocktail!

 

[Irresistible Isabelle]

thanks I am definitely coming to Vancouver in April and I expect (tongue-in-cheek) to enjoy your company for a cocktail!

But of course ;-)

 

[LoveEmAll]

Deposits

I spend a lot on this hobby, often tip, and occasionally book out-of-towners who have pics and are well reviewed. I always book for at least 1 hour and at least 1 1/2 hours with out-of towners.

Once I book a date, I have an extremely high chance of seeing you (occassionally, my work can change my pooning plans). I have never been a no-show for a date and not called to cancel.

On the rare occasion that I have to cancel, I give as much notice as possible, at least 24 hours.

In short, I am a good customer.

I will not provide a deposit to anyone -out-of-towners or local.

First, I never use PayPal or whatever else is out there. I am a cash and carry kinda guy when it comes to this hobby.

Second, I do not want to put myself at financial risk (you're a no-show, etc).

To be clear, the $100 or $200 deposit, in financial terms, means nothing to me. But having to do some depositing tasks or putting myself at risk of getting "burned" are far more costly.

If you request a deposit as an out-of-towner, I'd just as soon wait til you get here then call and see if we can hook up on a last minute thing. I know that if you are new to this town, you'll probably have some openings.

One alternative to deposits is to develop an email or text correspondence for all bookings prior to arrival. As part of your out-of-town policy, let the date know that he'll have to confirm via email or text at least 24 hours beforehand, otherwise his time slot may be taken by somone else.

Those who contact you the day before are better bets at showing up than those who don't contact you. And if they don't contact you, that gives you an idea of who may not show up. So, when new calls come in, you now know which time slots are more solid and which are not.

Not too sure what else you can do. Know that no-shows are a big risk, especially when you have to put out those extra costs for touring. But IMOHO, deposits may not be the best answer.

 

[Ghostwheel1969]

I don't think that's unreasonable

I'm what I call pre-punctual, so a no-show wouldn't even be a consideration!

Seriously, if you're doing a tour, you're extending yourself with expenses that need to be covered. That said, it's imperative that you verify your income beforehand. You're not doing this to break even, but to make money. I'm not sure of the venue you'd choose to do that with, but that's up to you. I'd be comfortable doing it.

Personally, I don't understand no-shows, but that's just me. I understand cold feet... I understand getting the jitters (hell, I remember them well, from my early years)... I understand hesitation as to whether this particular lady is right for you. But if you contact someone for a session, good manners and general consideration dictates that you contact them if you want to cancel... and if you've got the balls, why.

At the same time, respect in transaction reflects respect in sessions. I think you lost out on revenue, but probably gained on avoiding some unpleasant experiences. If they didn't cancel, and were forced to see you by a deposit, some clients might be a bit miffed that they were forced to follow through. I know I'm playing devil's advocate in that, but it's something to consider.

All in all, I don't think it's a bad idea at all. It should weed out those who are on the fence as to whether they're committed, and at least give you some financial satisfaction if they indeed change their mind.

Cheers, and have fun!
Ghostwheel

 

[sinfulsydnee]

well I have to say to both LoveEmAll and Ghostwheel, you make excellent points...and I agree with you both...LEM - your idea of a short notice booking is certainly viable and something that I am very open to...that is what I did on this trip...however it is for those clients who would like to book in advance - those who want to ensure their booking at a specific time/date that are the challenge...

personally, I am flexible with my short notice bookings and welcome them...I don't like the concept of prebooking and then just not showing up...or booking longer visits (over 2 hours) leaving me at risk for no shows who will take up larger blocks of time...I've recently been made aware of other sp's who will have men book appointments with visiting girls only to be no shows therefore sabotaging the visiting sp...something I didn't even think of prior to starting this thread... and LEM, if you don't mind, I'd like to incorporate your idea into my future plans....

Ghostwheeler...you are absolutely correct regarding lost revenue being less important than bad or awkward sessions...and that is how I looked at it...and chocked it up to a learning experience...ultimately I think I will have to come up with a few different options...

thank you for your opinions and ideas...I truly appreciate it!

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

The possibility of me paying a deposit for an app't is as good as me having paid a penny to Nadia with her "i got raped" scam. I'm not implying that you're running a scam but its just simply not prudent to be handing out money when playing this game.