Quebec’s tuition protesters are the Greeks of Canada

[tokugawa]

Interesting article in the Globe and Mail regarding the Tuition protests in Quebec. Seems Quebec is being compared to Greece to a certain degree - ouch!

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[gpchillin]

The students like the greeks need a serious reality check. Everyone would love to have everything for free hell I would love free schooling but since teachers teach for money universities are built which cost money and upkeep on building costs more. SOMEBODY has to pay SOMEBODY always has to pay nothing in life is free. The students want cheap or even free education well until the teachers teach for free and the universities operate for free who is paying for them ? Quebec is in massive debt because of this way of thinking and so is greece.

Greece is in the same mindset they want to make a living working 30 hour weeks and retire on full pension at 45 with no worry ever about money. Its just not realistic.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Yah!
Who wants to be accused of being like Greece.
What we want and should really strive for is to be like the US. Harper knows it: We should just pay more.
We should pay more for education.
We should pay more for healthcare.
Of course we should pay less taxes.
And we can spend on our military.
Oh and don't forget our criminal and penal system
And then no one will dare compare us to Greece and we won't be in so much debt.
Problem solved!

Oh wait....oops.
Well, maybe not then. Nevermind.





Priorities.


Build more prisons to deal with an imaginary increase in crime ....... $500-million

(That's just for Quebec - Harper’s omnibus crime bill is set to cost tax payers a lot more in increased police and correctional service costs - although apparently no one knows exactly how much. Well that's their story and they're sticking to it anyway.)

New F-35 fighters for ...? well, i'm not sure - what are they for exactly? ......... $25 billion


Sticking it to students so they can be thoroughly in debt by the time they graduate......... priceless.

(Double whammy if there aren't even any jobs for them by the time they do graduate!)

 

[overdone]

We should pay more for education.

do you really think being asked to pay 17% instead of the now 13% of the tuition costs for a student in Quebec is unreasonable?

an increase spread over 5 years

which still wouldn't bring them up to the reality of the rest of the Canada

 

[rygu]

I can't help but laugh at those with such an unrealistic sense of entitlement.

When I go for my BA in Psych Nursing, for the four years (just tuition/books) is approximately $30K, if I go for a full student loan for room/board it goes upto $60K.

I'll make $70K my first year easily so you won't hear me complaining about student-loan cost. The interest rate is fair as well. Those who pick a profession that is in demand and pays well probably won't complain either, at least not after they are done.

Quebec cries over everything though, so nothing new here.

 

[storm rider]

The university students of Quebec after the tuition increases (which they feel is unfair enough to validate actions such as destruction of property and lobbing maltov cocktails) will still pay the LOWEST costs for a university degree in Canada.Yeah it is a bitch when costs go up but I myself dont cause destruction at my local Safeway when green peppers cost 30% more because of a bad harvest.

Thugs and whining pussies who feel entiteled to a nearly free education is what those fuckers are.....griping about paying less than any other province in Canada....yet in the grand scheme of things the rest of Canada is footing the bill due to the one sided transfer payments that Quebec gets from the federal government.

I hope that Premier Charest sticks to his guns and does not back down because of some civil unrest by a bunch of self interested cry-babies who are unwilling to pay for a cheaper education than the rest of Canada can get.

SR

 

[Tugela]

So Quebec students are the people who hang up all those Greek flags on Broadway in summer?

 

[Tugela]

Sticking it to students so they can be thoroughly in debt by the time they graduate......... priceless.

(Double whammy if there aren't even any jobs for them by the time they do graduate!)

If they can't afford the tuition or the career they have chosen is not economically viable, then they shouldn't be there. Or they should attend a post secondary education facility that is less costly. Canada is the most educated country in the world. You could cut the number of university graduates by half and it would have little impact on the economy.

If the tax payer has to pay for this education it should be seen as an investment. If the students themselves cannot pay off the small part of the tuition that they have to bear due to the marginal nature of what they are being trained for, then just imagine how much the tax payer is being screwed on the part the government pays for.

 

[gpchillin]

Want to do something productive make good money and in demand then learn a trade. If you want to waste years of your life and thousands of dollars in books and tuition then go to university and get a degree that has no job potential or skill. Canada is short thousands and thousands and thousands of qualified plumbers, electricians, welders and so forth. They require schooling but its all directly related to your job and its money spent directly to your future income. Journeymen trades people make very good income and you can also start your own company if you want. Years of university without getting any job skills that pay you when you graduate is a huge waste of time and money for everyone involved.

 

[visiting]

The reason this protest is lasting so long, is many of these students don't vote, also since there was some violence a few weeks ago most people in Quebec do not support the students.


http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120519/students-que-emergency-law-unrest-120519/

 

[kickback]

I don't agree with the students demands but I do respect the fact that they are getting attention for their cause. Natives protest and sometimes get what they want. Chinese folks rarely complain and figure out how to get what they want. EI just do whatever they want and try not to get caught. Each ethnic group has their own way of dealing with issues. Most Canadians just whine when they don't like something and do nothing about it.

 

[ripplechip]

I am finding many of the comments and articles surrounding this protest disgusting.

We are being told that the only schooling worth while are trades. Forget any sort of arts, forget any sort of culture or history or knowledge in general outside of knowledge that helps you become a model employee. The only way you are worthwhile is if you are prepared to slave away for some company straight out of school, preferably helping that company rape the earth a little bit more everyday. Our history and culture apparently aren't worth teaching, no money in it.

I think post secondary education should be free for students, and it should be business and government/taxes paying for it (especially business) as society in general reaps the benefits of an educated work force. If you have the grades you should be allowed to pursue whatever education you desire. A lot of people feel this way coast to coast, some in Quebec have decided to fight for it while the rest of the country more or less rolled over years ago.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

ehhhh? what's that you're sayin' sonny? the students in quebec like greek? well pardners, they can't be all bad then...

 

[Karl Blues]

I don't agree with the students demands but I do respect the fact that they are getting attention for their cause. Natives protest and sometimes get what they want. Chinese folks rarely complain and figure out how to get what they want. EI just do whatever they want and try not to get caught. Each ethnic group has their own way of dealing with issues. Most Canadians just whine when they don't like something and do nothing about it.

A statement just loaded with stereotypes.

 

[visiting]

I am finding many of the comments and articles surrounding this protest disgusting.

We are being told that the only schooling worth while are trades. Forget any sort of arts, forget any sort of culture or history or knowledge in general outside of knowledge that helps you become a model employee. The only way you are worthwhile is if you are prepared to slave away for some company straight out of school, preferably helping that company rape the earth a little bit more everyday. Our history and culture apparently aren't worth teaching, no money in it.

I think post secondary education should be free for students, and it should be business and government/taxes paying for it (especially business) as society in general reaps the benefits of an educated work force. If you have the grades you should be allowed to pursue whatever education you desire. A lot of people feel this way coast to coast, some in Quebec have decided to fight for it while the rest of the country more or less rolled over years ago.

I don't have any problem with your way of thinking, as long as you are prepared to pay more for everything you buy. The Government takes it's money from your/my pocket, and business. Remember businesses are there to make a profit, the more they make the more in re-invest. If they have to pay more, they will charge more, simple really. But don't forget we now live in a global socitey, so you have to figure out a way not to penalize the Canadian companies, who pay those extra taxes. Companies from other counties who will not pay those extra taxes will be selling thier products cheaper, how will Canadian compaines compete, in Canada and other markets?

 

[gpchillin]

I am finding many of the comments and articles surrounding this protest disgusting.

We are being told that the only schooling worth while are trades. Forget any sort of arts, forget any sort of culture or history or knowledge in general outside of knowledge that helps you become a model employee. The only way you are worthwhile is if you are prepared to slave away for some company straight out of school, preferably helping that company rape the earth a little bit more everyday. Our history and culture apparently aren't worth teaching, no money in it.

I think post secondary education should be free for students, and it should be business and government/taxes paying for it (especially business) as society in general reaps the benefits of an educated work force. If you have the grades you should be allowed to pursue whatever education you desire. A lot of people feel this way coast to coast, some in Quebec have decided to fight for it while the rest of the country more or less rolled over years ago.

One of the reasons these jackstains are protesting is because there is no jobs for them once they do ever graduate because they just spent 5 years getting an arts degree................ Which means after blowing the taxpayers money which paid for the majority of their education costs they have a job at starbucks to look forward to in their future. I think a secondary education is something great but you should finish that education with some job skill that is productive and will be needed by employers. What was the whole point of 5 years of university if in the end it provided you with nothing you can apply to a job ? ESPECIALLY since these poster children for abortion got that education paid for my taxpayers. I think if you go to a trade school like plumbing welding so forth or got a degree in accounting or medicine or some other degree which you need to get the job you want then after say 5 years of actually working in your field then ya forgive the schooling costs. If after 5 years your degree got that cost taxpayers $10,000+ and your working at starbucks because you have no job skill from all your education then your on the hook for the full load you just scammed from the taxpayers.

Now don't get me wrong a degree in arts or history is fine but not when I gotta friggin pay my taxes so you can learn what a fucking picasso is !!!


HERE READ THIS ...................
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Alberta+strong+back+keep+middle+class/6652217/story.html

University degrees mean jack shit unless your a doctor, lawyer, accountant or some other skilled job needing a lot of schooling for. Trades you make a more then better living with hardly any schooling, Hell I just have my high school and make 150k+ in the oilpatch. Jobs are retarded easy to get I get a bonus from my company if I get people to come to work for us because were so short handed, Anyone sitting on their asses in the east sucking off the government tit crying because they have no job or money are useless retards. 18 year old kids I supervise are banking 2-3k every paycheck starting wages and all they needed was to take 2 safety course First Aid and H2S.

 

[DavidMR]

I can't help but laugh at those with such an unrealistic sense of entitlement.

When I go for my BA in Psych Nursing, for the four years (just tuition/books) is approximately $30K, if I go for a full student loan for room/board it goes upto $60K.

I'll make $70K my first year easily so you won't hear me complaining about student-loan cost. The interest rate is fair as well. Those who pick a profession that is in demand and pays well probably won't complain either, at least not after they are done.

Quebec cries over everything though, so nothing new here.

No, you're assuming you'll make $70K the first year because you're assuming you'll be offered full-time work right away. In BC, with the top heavy management in the Health Authorities, you'll probably be waiting many years before that happens.

Your last bit about Quebec is typical of the old fashioned West Coast isolationist vote, always pissing on every other region of the nation, they acting stunned when one's own needs are overlooked. Be a smartass, get treated like one.

 

[Bartdude]

Just a few things to say.

1. Life ain't all about how many zeroes you can put on the end of the cheque.

2. The notion that the only worthwhile schooling is one that trains you for a trade is asinine. Trades careers are great; well paying, satisfying work, and as good a way as any to build a life and raise a family. But our location skews our perspective on the trades as well.

3. Quebec has built a society with much more social security than other regions. There's nothing wrong with that - and the notion that Quebec itself doesn't pay for any of it is completely false. But they do benefit from equalization payments, which come from all Canadians. They should have to adjust their programs accordingly when times are tough - or make up the difference from their own tax revenues.

4. Albertans (and I am one) are starting to sound so arrogant, it's as if we think we invented oil and put it in the ground ourselves. We didn't. We just happen to be where lots of dinosaurs died millions of years ago - and in an economy where oil is in high demand. It wasn't that long ago that we were in the dumpster - we'd be wise to remember that.

And in case you're wondering...professional. $90K/year. And a university graduate. But I've also done about every job out there and put myself through school working tough jobs during the summers.

 

[rygu]

No, you're assuming you'll make $70K the first year because you're assuming you'll be offered full-time work right away. In BC, with the top heavy management in the Health Authorities, you'll probably be waiting many years before that happens.

Your last bit about Quebec is typical of the old fashioned West Coast isolationist vote, always pissing on every other region of the nation, they acting stunned when one's own needs are overlooked. Be a smartass, get treated like one.

Everything in your post was completely false and based off nothing more than a notion.

 

[kickback]

A statement just loaded with stereotypes.

Great observation but are you able to elaborate with what you disagree with in my statement?