Prostitution "Expert" Speaks

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I've been shot at plenty, and if anyone looks me in the eye ,and calls me a rapist, they had better be armed...but I can say, if I passed away, a large portion of the people attending my funeral would be women.
Or at least I'd like to think so......
 

johnsmit

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Some one tell use how people should live but real does not have any answered to the problem
In the interview she mentions the east side and people stumbling around half dead ...,Were they on drugs. Yes that a problem and it is part of prostitution..so what's her solution to it ...The laws won't make it go away.
It need money and treatment and then you might get the addicts out of prostitution. .Then what about the student that do it to pay their tuition. They make a choice to do it .Or the signal mom that needs more money to live on .In the single mom cases there are chooses but some times they can't do a job. Because of other issues..and abusive relationships..
Let this lady help resolve those problem before condemning everyone that is involved in the sex business.
 

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
this person is filled with hate, and will spew hate at her "talk".... her "research" definitely does not meet the basic standards for ethical research involving human beings....

the issue with it is it's not simply a "perspective".....it is an opinion which actively puts human beings at risk...thus the reason we have rules in canada about what research can be believed about human beings

SFU classrooms can be rented by anyone, but it makes her look more legit....i am going to call the university and call them out on allowing this to happen....and i agree yvr, the newspaper should also be held accountable for publishing this article....journalists also have ethics to follow....

i want to go and protest but honestly can't...i don't have the heart to stand there being insulted and threatened....stress is funny....the symptoms are permanent....when i expose myself to those nut jobs it takes me weeks to recover.....

anyway, here in vancouver we don't have anything to fear from these morons....we are enjoying 8 years free from criminalization and murder and the powers that be get it....

i think some of the other activists are going to protest so there will be at least some opposition...

love susie
 

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this person is filled with hate, and will spew hate at her "talk".... her "research" definitely does not meet the basic standards for ethical research involving human beings....

the issue with it is it's not simply a "perspective".....it is an opinion which actively puts human beings at risk...thus the reason we have rules in canada about what research can be believed about human beings

SFU classrooms can be rented by anyone, but it makes her look more legit....i am going to call the university and call them out on allowing this to happen....and i agree yvr, the newspaper should also be held accountable for publishing this article....journalists also have ethics to follow....

i want to go and protest but honestly can't...i don't have the heart to stand there being insulted and threatened....stress is funny....the symptoms are permanent....when i expose myself to those nut jobs it takes me weeks to recover.....

anyway, here in vancouver we don't have anything to fear from these morons....we are enjoying 8 years free from criminalization and murder and the powers that be get it....
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i think some of the other activists are going to protest so there will be at least some opposition...

love susie
I was listening for a bit today to CKNW Passive Aggressive Simi Sara show when this very topic came on that Susi and YVR Hacker were talking about there was there was the platform provided for this Julie , Abolitionist, one very scary female !!!! The Nordic Model, I think she has a very big problem with how Vancouver and Victoria operate against Sex Workers? She's a scary individual!!!
If that Simi Sara had any balls she should have ripped this whole agenda apart and allowed women to decide their future like with abortion.
Fem Nazi agenda, soft pedaling a secret agenda, What a spin ??????

https://omny.fm/shows/the-simi-sara-show/playlists/podcast/embed?style=artwork
 

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Absolutely correct ! Without doubt these abolitionist are causing more harm then good for everyone... what will happen is girls will be forced to the street by criminalizing the industry as licsences will n longer be retrievable... ugh and putting girls back onto the corners then in house is putting both the men and woman in more danger , increase rate of crime and drug abuse and puts everyone at a higher risk for spreading infectious diseases
 
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My question is with this group is the intent to protect the woman ? If so again another example of wrong approach !
What's needed is not to criminalize prostitution , the approach needs to go after the government to fund numerous programs from addictions counselling and rehabilitation, programs that help woman get their education , housing , and safe houses for those seeking help to eliminate the pimp...
about ten years ago one of the absolute best programs was funded and the success rate was astonishing... it was a non profit organization put together by ex sex trade workers that funded ladies with addiction issues and rehab , once completed rehab they worked with social services to reunite these woman with their children and gave the ladies a fresh start on life , these classes were workshops that educated woman on how to maintain a life outside the business .. provided funded college education , had an emergency alert team for any abused woman by any client or pimp and prompt action was taken ... near the end of the classes the woman were placed in workplaces for 3 months under the programs supervision and once completed was certified and granted a job placement....
This is the approach thats needed , the government need to step up and protect the woman by providing such service we once had , but they cut the funding ! Of course
now on the other hand for those who choose to be independent and choose to work in the industry , they are within their right to do so ....
 

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
yes, to them we are either "privileged" home wreckers who are the exception to the victim rule and who only care about money....

or we are downtroden voiceless victims who are so traumatized, we don't know what would best support our safety....

they are dangerous...and vicious......unbelievable that they would think that harming women to "save" women is feminist....or ok in any way...

love susie
 

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See this is why I don't understand why if they're being genuine in their intentions they don't support legalization with licensing. Restaurants need health inspections because of the health risks, dentists need licences to practice, so if prostitution had a licensing process it'd be a way to vet and OK the "few" even they admit do it by choice. The licensing criteria would exclude trafficking victims, underaged, etc.

You will not eliminate the supply nor the demand, but if there's a pool of vetted practitioners, the average client would likely stick with them, and that would help dry up demand for the underground side and also allow law enforcement to focus better.

BTW the thing that bothers me about the interview article are all her conjectures such as experiments with legalization being "unmitigated disasters." Does she ever present any evidence to support these assertions?
 

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Funny thing: The act of sex. In bill c36, the sp's act of sex is legal; but the john's act of sex is illegal. Not logical. Not fair.
For the right wing Christian Fanatics who want to outlaw prostitution, Jesus stopped a mob from stoning a woman; maybe they should reread their bible!
Since the signing of b36, I have noticed the free flow of sex information/discussion has dropped significantly (on other boards) or has basically stopped, the rise of scammer ads/rip off artists, and the advertisement of party favours with escort ads.
Fact: men and women's bodies are made for sex, they get horny. The oldest profession is said to be prostitution. Can you eliminate prostitution/escorting; not likely. Paying for sex sounds evil doesn't it. Cultural taboo or reinforced learned doctrine from a cult ( Catholic or Protestant). In retrospect it's all about having power over other people, controlling them, shaping your society, making for yourself a nice niche in your society.
Karma, you missed a few names on your list!?
 

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yes, to them we are either "privileged" home wreckers who are the exception to the victim rule and who only care about money....

or we are downtroden voiceless victims who are so traumatized, we don't know what would best support our safety....

they are dangerous...and vicious......unbelievable that they would think that harming women to "save" women is feminist....or ok in any way...

love susie
So very, very well said.....written like a battle weary soldier, that has returned fighting for the thankless, against an unforgiving enemy.
This post resonates something very deep within me.
 

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She seems like a complete nut job.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-...what-she-sees-in-vancouvers-downtown-eastside


Prostitution expert doesn't like what she sees in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside

British writer and journalist Julie Bindel talks about her new book The Pimping of Prostitution, for which she conducted 250 interviews with sex-trade workers, pimps and others in the industry. She will speak at SFU on Thursday.


From the Downtown Eastside to the Whalley strip to various “backpage” websites, women continue to sell sex. Whether they should be selling sex has been a long-standing debate that continues to rage today.

Organizations like the Pivot Legal Society argue this is a job like any other, and that the women deserve laws that make their work safer.

Advocacy groups like Vancouver Rape Relief and Women’s Shelter argue the industry abuses human rights and should be stopped. The country’s current prostitution laws are tricky to understand, and don’t make either side happy. In 2013, the Supreme Court of Canada struck down the country’s prostitution laws, in a case led by former dominatrix Terri-Jean Bedford, a ruling that was celebrated by groups like Pivot.

In response, in 2014 the then-Conservative government enacted a new law that criminalizes buyers of prostitution, but it failed to fully decriminalize prostitutes. Many argued that Bill C-36 failed to fully protect these women from danger. When the Liberals formed government in 2015, new Prime Minister Justin Trudeau criticized the Conservative’s legislation, but has not yet acted to change it. So, the debate continues.

British author and journalist Julie Bindel is in Vancouver this week to speak about her new book, The Pimping of Prostitution. After interviewing 250 sex workers, pimps and others in the industry in multiple countries, Bindel argues the abolition of prostitution is the only answer. Our talk with Bindel has been edited for length.

Q: Why do you support abolishing the sex industry?

A: What they (pro-decriminalization groups) are arguing is that the safety of the woman depends on her pimp and sex buyers being de-criminalized, and I’ve never heard such a ridiculous Orwellian argument in my life. The safety of the woman partly depends on her being decriminalized, but wholly depends on the abolition of the sex trade so that women do not end up in this heinous situation, which can never be made safe.

Q: Some activists believe that by decriminalizing prostitution, you make life safer for the women?

A: Obviously the activists in Vancouver are pushing for full decriminalization, and they are using arguments about safety. But we have reams of evidence from countries where this has been experimented with. We have Germany, the Netherlands, Nevada in the U.S., Denmark, (part of) Australia, and of course we have New Zealand which has a decriminalize model — the evidence from these countries is that it has been an unmitigated disaster. That it hasn’t protected the women, and in fact it has just protected their abusers.

Q: Was the Supreme Court wrong to strike down Canada’s prostitution laws in the Bedford case, and should Prime Minister Trudeau change the Tories’ Bill C-36?

A: The right thing that Canada could do is to recognize that people in prostitution are not making choices. The likes of Terri-Jean Bedford and those who are a-typical of prostituted women are making the loudest noises and yet they are the least represented of any in the sex trade. I hope that Trudeau and the Liberal politicians that surround him … recognize that this is a human rights violation.

Q: Tell me about one of the 250 interviews you did for the book?

A: In the Downtown Eastside in Vancouver, a young Indigenous woman we called Courtenay in the book taught me such a lot about how racism and colonialism intersect with misogyny to create prostitution as a reality … When Courtenay toured me through the Downtown Eastside, I saw women stumbling around in a near-death state because of the hallows they’ve been living through. I’ve never seen such poverty anywhere in North America ever, and yet there was so little help for these women.

Q: What are the chances we could see the “oldest profession” abolished?

A: Any human rights violation that’s widespread and embedded in the culture, we fight to change that culture as well as call the perpetrators to task, and of course it can be done. There is no necessity for sex trade. Men will not simultaneously implode if they don’t get the sex that they want when they want it. They might actually learn to have sex with someone who wants to have sex with them too. And so what we have to do is recognize that we are winning, because there are more countries now with the abolitionist model than there are countries that have legalization.
 

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Women stumbling around in a near-death state because of what they had seen?

That is some pretty dramatic fiction.
 
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