Price Debate Rages On

[ballbusters]

For those of you in the know I think that we should all read the posts on CAF about price issues and how we are being gouged even more in Calgary than before.

I know some people only read on one or the other but this debate needs to be brought forward so that everyone has a chance to understand how ridiculous the pricing in Calgary has become.

 

[mookster]

It ain't that ridiculous

There are still a lot of local and/or visiting providers that are "reasonably" priced... and, as always, you are free to not visit those that you feel are too expensive... or are beyond your means.
If you feel strongly please vote with your wallet!

 

[belair]

just a thought

Decide for yourself, if you were a woman, how much you would charge for services (you are expecting as a man).

 

[overdone]

You aren't being gouged, it isn't a necessity it's a luxury item. You don't have to use these ladies services. There are other options, go to Montreal it will cost just as much unless your already going there anyway for business then maybe you can write it off. You can always go to a third world country and hope for the best. Or you can be like the guy in Vancouver who reviews the .40 Sw that he picks up. The bottom line is there are options and if you don't like one try another. No one is forcing you to go and see anyone. The fact that some guys think that they should be able to dictate what someone else charges for their services is laughable. The funny part of this is it seems that the guys that bitch the most already say they won't pay over a certain amount.

 

[praxis]

I would also recommend . . .

There are other options, go to Montreal it will cost just as much unless your already going there anyway for business then maybe you can write it off.

going to Victoria - even better if you're going there for business. Check out the indys and the agencies there - and don't forget to check the reviews of the ladies - so you can choose the better ones and time your visit when they're working.

Victoria is a bit easier to get to compared to Montreal - Westjet constantly puts on seat sales to Vancouver and Victoria - just check yourself into a cheap motel for a few days and enjoy the lower rates...

bcdarlings.com has the links

 

[Mick Shagher]

Decide for yourself, if you were a woman, how much you would charge for services (you are expecting as a man).

Personally I would be giving it out for free. But there again, I'm just a slut. LOL.

 

[Sir_frixalot]

MTL I can understand, but I don't get the Victoria scene... I mean why, how? Newlyweds and nearly deads... where's the market? Does everybody rich (read OLD) move there and have nothing to do but fill up the bucket list with SP's?

You'd think a place like Cowtown - full of affluent (or soon to be), young, horny white collar dudes would be THE place. Should be, but idn't. Even at the high high price it is still hard to get what you want WHEN you want it. Get in line, man... So we are not really bitching about the price - we are just unhappy about paying more for less service/quality/availability than elsewhere. It irks our inate Albertan sense of fairness. As in we always get the short end of the stick, pay more taxes and get less for them. That's the real root problem here.

The blue collar 'chuk is brimming with Massage services, which is perfect for that market. Blue collar workers are not exactly what I would call 'nice guys', no offence but they are a little rougher around the edges. The girls know they can't BS them as much without some backlash. So they don't. And after a few weeks in the field, we know where he's going to go first, right?

But Calgary is full of 'nice guys' with desk jobs, who are book smart - not street smart? So we get taken advantage of cuz we're easy pickins? And who cares if you piss off all your customers because there is a steady stream of new ones? I know this is not true of our local ladies (most of) - but if a guy gets shafted 1,2,3 times he gives up the hobby or becomes gun shy.

Ahhh, maybe it's better this way, if it were cheap and plentiful we wouldn't want it as much. If I were in MTL, or TOR, or Dallas I'd blow ALL my dough on nekkid women. For the first while... then it would get boring. This way it's a treat - special, and you feel lucky to be able to get it, and get a sense of accomplishment that you found it. Or better still - hunted it... Word gets around - this spring there will be plenty of female prey to feed our one-track male minds.

 

[Vancouver Sara]

It is likely just supply and demand like any other city. A lady will usually set her donations at a level that is manageable to her - if she charges too little, she will be overwhelmed with demand which leads to her becoming tired, rundown and not providing as good a service as she would like. If she charges too much, it will soon be apparent by the lack of business and she will have to lower her rates.

It also depends on how busy each individual would like to be or what clientele they are aiming for. Unfortunately the less you charge the more unsavory characters you attract. Some ladies don't want to have to deal with that

 

[Big Dog Striker]

Law of Supply

I do agree with the fast rising and soon to be legend beauty from New Zealand that the law of supply and demand is a major factor in pricing. The same reason the paparazzi continues to monitor Britney Spears' every move in Tinseltown is due to the fact that major tabloids and publication companies pay big bucks for it. In Montreal, the pricing structure is less than Calgary's standard SP rate because the supply kind of outnumbers the demand. While Calgary with its solid economics, Stampede, and 20,000 new residents every year seems to have a booming demand far greater than its local supply.

Calgarians who work hard and know how to enjoy life never had it so good these days with the increasing number of courtesans visiting them especially those French Canadian hotties from Montreal. There seem to be something hot with those French Canadian beauties that make them standout as compared to their peers in other cities which is similar to those Polish girls in Eastern Europe and Brazilians in South America. Calgarians now have a variety of SPs and services to choose from depending on their budget. Unlike years ago when their choices were quite limited and the quality of customer service was inconsistent.

When we compare prices, let's also take into consideration that when those French Canadian SP's go on tour they don't just take the Greyhound and stay in the Super 8. Airfare and a good and safe location is part of the premium. They wanna make sure that their clientele will have a memorable experience worthy of repetition - some SPs would even have candles, Japanese incense, and wine.

Plus, these SP's became independents in the first place so that they can command the price they want and target a certain type of clientele they are comfortable with, like supermodel hot Mercury Aradia in Vancouver. If they wanna meet guys who prefer bottle service in Tantra Nightclub, eat in Tangerine and Belgo, and shop in Holt Renfrew then that's their choice.

And lastly, if you're still not comfortable with the price differential since you're " the value for money " type who would compare the prices of all tour operators and travel websites before deciding on that package to Varadero just think of it as a tip. Don't you ever tip your wonderful SP for a great service that relieved you of your stress. When you travel try tipping the front desk personnel upfront and ask for a room upgrade, or housekeeping and see how your suite would look during your stay, or the server in the restaurant, or the nightclub host and feel the knock-your-socks-off service you're gonna get. Tip your SP and she won't forget you in a good way.

 

[big k]

How can you complain about SP pricing versus everywhere else.It still
looks in line with most places other than Montreal. Everything in Calgary
is expensive so why shouldn't the SP price to the market.
Can't you make like $ 15 per hour at 7-11 and Tim Hortons? and
don't the kids on the oil rigs make like 5000/mth for grunt jobs?
Just pay the ladies and you can bitch about it when you're selling the rest
of us our own oil at $ 98 a barrel.

 

[Sir_frixalot]

Oooh don't get me started on OIL... too late...

We gotta put a carbon tax ON (now)
300,000 jobs lost in Alberta today (Ed's number)
600,000 people LEAVE Alberta tomorrow (yaaay)
It goes back to 'the way we were' ... (just like the song?)
People who really want to live here can afford a house, etc blah blah
Gasoline will be $2 a L (who cares anyway? it's over $1 and SUV's abound)

Ahhhh, that was easy..!

It sucks being the Americans of Canada, y'know... We love hockey and TImmies and duct tape too - just like every other province, eh? Well, except Toronto, but let's not go there...

 

[kmovf]

How can you complain about SP pricing versus everywhere else.It still
looks in line with most places other than Montreal. Everything in Calgary
is expensive so why shouldn't the SP price to the market.

Toronto and Vancouver have always been more expensive places to live then Calgary, but they don't have the same high rates. The rate across all the major cities in my experience is $180-250, so I don't understand why there are so many girls visiting Calgary that can demand $350.

In all my years of this hobby, I have rarely found a difference between girls charging average rates and girls on the high end other then how much I have left in my wallet. If anything I've had more hassle and far more bad attitude from the higher priced girls, and I've learned not to bother.

 

[leelee]

You guys are quoting low prices...

Toronto and Vancouver have always been more expensive places to live then Calgary, but they don't have the same high rates. The rate across all the major cities in my experience is $180-250, so I don't understand why there are so many girls visiting Calgary that can demand $350.

In all my years of this hobby, I have rarely found a difference between girls charging average rates and girls on the high end other then how much I have left in my wallet. If anything I've had more hassle and far more bad attitude from the higher priced girls, and I've learned not to bother.

The ladies that advertise on Eros are an excellent comparison to the beautiful girls that are available in Montreal. The average price for girls on Eros in Toronto and Vancouver is between $300-$400, not between $180-$250.

Of course there will always be ladies in every price range...but I think that $350 in Calgary for a visiting escort is fair. After all they are traveling across the country to visit. Traveling is very hard on a lady...you guy's have no idea.

If you are going to quote a price, please don't quote a low one and then expect everyone to follow suit.

Sara made an excellent point. The lower the price is then the more frustrating and demanding the clientelle become. Sounds strange but it is true.

After reading this thread it makes me want to raise my rates...not lower them.

 

[yahoo]

The ladies that advertise on Eros are an excellent comparison to the beautiful girls that are available in Montreal. The average price for girls on Eros in Toronto and Vancouver is between $300-$400, not between $180-$250.

Of course there will always be ladies in every price range...but I think that $350 in Calgary for a visiting escort is fair. After all they are traveling across the country to visit. Traveling is very hard on a lady...you guy's have no idea.

If you are going to quote a price, please don't quote a low one and then expect everyone to follow suit.

Sara made an excellent point. The lower the price is then the more frustrating and demanding the clientelle become. Sounds strange but it is true.

After reading this thread it makes me want to raise my rates...not lower them.

So, in other words, what you're saying is that the only clients you want are mindless fools with more money than brains who wouldn't dare question whether or not the SP he is seeing is charging too much, or whether or not he is getting value for his money, because he doesn't do any research ahead of time to see what the market rate is? Afraid of a little competition, sweetheart? Feel free to raise your rates, and good riddance to you. Those of us with a brain in our heads that know the value of a dollar, value competition, and the choices of rates and value that it brings. It is unfortunate that you view men who want value for their money as too "demanding and frustrating" for you. I guess you view customers as ATM machines. Good to know. If you were worth more than whatever you currently charge, you'd already be charging it, and wouldn't worry your pretty little face over some healthy competition that may be charging less than you.

 

[leelee]

Yahoo: can't you have a friendly debate without getting hostile?

So, in other words, what you're saying is that the only clients you want are mindless fools with more money than brains who wouldn't dare question whether or not the SP he is seeing is charging too much, or whether or not he is getting value for his money, because he doesn't do any research ahead of time to see what the market rate is? Afraid of a little competition, sweetheart? Feel free to raise your rates, and good riddance to you. Those of us with a brain in our heads that know the value of a dollar, value competition, and the choices of rates and value that it brings. It is unfortunate that you view men who want value for their money as too "demanding and frustrating" for you. If you were worth more than whatever you currently charge, you'd already be charging it, and wouldn't worry your pretty little face over some healthy competition that may be charging less than you.

Actually the subject raised was not about me...you have no idea how much I charge. Maybe it's a lot...maybe it's not...you are hardly in a position to make assumptions about me - you have no idea who I am.

The gentlemen that I see understand that an experience is more than just physical, but it seems that that is all that you are focusing on.

As a sp, price is not always an issue of supply and demand. In economics, some goods and services do not follow the law of price elasticity...these goods are giffen goods. These are goods that the more you charge the higher the demand...a bmw, or other status item, would fall into this category.

From an sp standpoint, price has very little to do with supply and demand. Gentlemen will pay what you ask them to...there will always be some that do not, but there are always others that will.

I have experienced this first-hand, when I raised my rates quite high I was busier and had a better class of clientele - it was a win-win situation for me.

The point that I am trying to make is that there are all types of girls and all types of prices, just like there are all types of gentlemen.

 

[yahoo]

Actually the subject raised was not about me...you have no idea how much I charge. Maybe it's a lot...maybe it's not...you are hardly in a position to make assumptions about me - you have no idea who I am.

The gentlemen that I see understand that an experience is more than just physical, but it seems that that is all that you are focusing on.

As a sp, price is not always an issue of supply and demand. In economics, some goods and services do not follow the law of price elasticity...these goods are giffen goods. These are goods that the more you charge the higher the demand...a bmw, or other status item, would fall into this category.

From an sp standpoint, price has very little to do with supply and demand. Gentlemen will pay what you ask them to...there will always be some that do not, but there are always others that will.

I have experienced this first-hand, when I raised my rates quite high I was busier and had a better class of clientele - it was a win-win situation for me.

The point that I am trying to make is that there are all types of girls and all types of prices, just like there are all types of gentlemen.

The bolded part of your post says it all. I was right. You view customers as ATM machines, and your only goal is to squeeze as much money out of them as possible, regardless of whether or not you are providing them with the best possible value for their money. You chastise those that question rates for viewing the experience as only physical. Well, I got news for you. It shouldn't be all about money, either. Your customers are human beings also, who want to be respected, and not gouged for every last dollar you can get out of them.

You think that the price you can charge has very little to do with supply and demand, and that "gentlemen will pay what you ask them to", if you claim to be a BMW quality escort? Try this out then, start charging $2,000 per hour in Calgary. If it has nothing to do with supply and demand, and men will pay whatever you ask, you will become a very wealthy woman in a very short period of time. If it is dictated by supply and demand, and not all of your clients are suckers, you will have a very quiet phone for awhile. Let me know how it works out for you when you test your theory.

On the flip side, if you started charging $50 per hour, your phone would be ringing off the hook. There is a happy medium there, and it is dictated by supply and demand. Part of the free market that allows you to charge more per hour than most doctors, lawyers, dentists, engineers, teachers, plumbers, mechanics, etc, etc, etc, is the fact that from time to time, customers will compare notes as to where the best quality/price value is, and who may be overcharging. If you can't handle this discussion occuring, perhaps you need to join the real world for awhile, and see how the 90% pay cut treats you.

 

[leelee]

Yahoo...cool your heels with your aggression towards me it is ungentlemanly....

I was talking about the market in general...not specifically Calgary as I have never worked there.

It is true that gentlemen will pay what you ask but it does depend on the girl, and how much that particular gentleman is interested in seeing that particular girl.

I am quite confident that some ladies could make $2,000 a date in Calgary, but again it depends on the lady. I hate to play the name-game but I will give you an example. Someone like this could be successful in any Canadian city (Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver, or Montreal):

http://www.amytaylor.com/

As I said before there all all types of gentlemen. Just because you would not pay more than "X" amount does not mean that others will not. You cannot assume that everyone thinks like you do.

The point that I am trying to make is that many different prices can and do co-exist in each marketplace. Each woman is different and each can get different prices as there are many ways that this business can be marketed.

When I was younger (now in my mid 40s) I did and could command a higher price. Perhaps I no longer can charge an exorbitant amount, but many young gorgeous girls out there can. Perhaps you would not see them, but many other gentlemen would.

 

[yahoo]

I was talking about the market in general...not specifically Calgary as I have never worked there.

It is true that gentlemen will pay what you ask but it does depend on the girl, and how much that particular gentleman is interested in seeing that particular girl.

I am quite confident that some ladies could make $2,000 a date in Calgary, but again it depends on the lady. I hate to play the name-game but I will give you an example. Someone like this could be successful in any Canadian city (Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver, or Montreal):

http://www.amytaylor.com/

As I said before there all all types of gentlemen. Just because you would not pay more than "X" amount does not mean that others will not. You cannot assume that everyone thinks like you do.

The point that I am trying to make is that many different prices can and do co-exist in each marketplace. Each woman is different and each can get different prices as there are many ways that this business can be marketed.

When I was younger (now in my mid 40s) I did and could command a higher price. Perhaps I no longer can charge an exorbitant amount, but many young gorgeous girls out there can. Perhaps you would not see them, but many other gentlemen would.

Good to see you are still missing the point. Do NOT assume that anybody that questions SP rates in their city are doing so because they cannot afford young, beautiful, high quality SP's. I see high quality SP's all the time. That has nothing to do with questioning rates. The rates I question are the ones that are charging more than the top, highest quality, well established ladies are already charging. You keep repeating that some men will pay whatever a woman wants to charge them. What exactly is your point? That has nothing to do with this thread. Of course some men are willing to pay more than others. A thread like this is not intended to make them stop, as they likely aren't reading a board like this to begin with, or they would know where the value lies. The purpose of a thread like this is to compare notes and see where the best value for the money is. I may be able to afford $1000 per hour. Does that mean that's what I should pay, when $300 per hour, or less, can get me a very good quality experience?

Feel free to charge whatever you want. I will feel free to discuss rates whenever I want. That's really all there is to it.

 

[chrisdregina]

Personally I would be giving it out for free. But there again, I'm just a slut. LOL.

HAHAHA! Mick, you owe me a new keyboard...I just shot milk out of my nose all over mine!

 

[belair]

laws of attraction

It's an old story, but I'll tell it again...

Men want fuckable women.

Women want men who can take care of them.