Predictions of the past. Recent raids.

[Quarter Mile'r]

This should stimulate a bit of discussion. Politically speaking.

My prediction from Nov 05.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=378369&postcount=4

...........QM`r

 

[PeterLongwood]

This should stimulate a bit of discussion. Politically speaking.

My prediction from Nov 05.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=378369&postcount=4

...........QM`r

You`re a prophet.

 

[georgebushmoron]

You were quite right. In fact, I believe that the raids were not just because of the Conservatives, but because of their easily agreeing to pressure from the US re: all things to do with border security, and that would include illegal immigrants and the other potential crimes associated with the sex trade.

 

[littlejimbigher]

Yeah, but don't forget the most consevative religious americans are the ones that keep being caught in sex scandles.

 

[SFMIKE]

Qm

I have thought long and hard about posting this link the last few days but please use it as an example that last Thursday could have been worse, at least for those "caught inside".

http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/general/38633.html

 

[bonanzabob]

I dunno.... I think this stunt was more of a ploy to impress on the world (who are all coming here in 2010) that Vancouver/Whistler is a morally upstanding place.

I think the Provincial AG was behind this.

The Conservatives don't have a majority yet, so they seem to be treading softly on the moral issues, witness the free-vote on gay marriage.....That was done just to get it off the table.

 

[Sweetiepie]

I dunno.... I think this stunt was more of a ploy to impress on the world (who are all coming here in 2010) that Vancouver/Whistler is a morally upstanding place.
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I read an article that it was done in part as a warning against expanding the trade, especially the Asian and illegal side, for the Olympics. Which would help explain why they went after higher profile places (as opposed to micros) and are dragging the process out.

 

[Sweetiepie]

If what you say is true then why didn't the LE go after the private micros and actually catch some sleazeballs who trade in flesh? This had nothing to do with 2010 etc. I think it had everything to do with making a public specticle to the tax payer that the cops can do something. ...

Un fortunately I think you're right.

 

[HaywoodJabloemy]

The Conservatives want to be seen as cracking down on prostitution. That's what they said in the subcommittee report on the subject this week, according to Mindelle Jacobs in the Edmonton Sun. She says they even specified wanting to go after MPs, escorts, etc. just as much as street prostitution.

And notice that Stockwell Day was quick to claim what a success the Vancouver area MP raids were, despite the fact that all 108 people arrested were released without being charged. From the Victoria Times Colonist: "the police raid on 18 Greater Vancouver massage parlours last week has a bit of the "weapons of mass destruction" scam about it."

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

The Conservatives want to be seen as cracking down on prostitution. That's what they said in the subcommittee report on the subject this week, according to Mindelle Jacobs in the Edmonton Sun. She says they even specified wanting to go after MPs, escorts, etc. just as much as street prostitution.

And notice that Stockwell Day was quick to claim what a success the Vancouver area MP raids were, despite the fact that all 108 people arrested were released without being charged.

I actually read Day's response and it was more laughable than anything
I've read to date on the raids. What a brain dead moron !!

Here it is in all it's political glory;

OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(CCNMatthews - Dec. 08, 2006) - The Honourable Stockwell Day, Minister of Public Safety, issued the following statement to commend a cooperative law enforcement operation in British Columbia that has targeted alleged organized crime prostitution rings with possible links to human trafficking.

Yah we know what the motive was to begin with.

"Our new government has zero tolerance for those who engage in human trafficking. Such deplorable activity demonstrates no respect for human dignity. I commend our law enforcement agencies for their exemplary work in bringing this case to a successful conclusion.

Successful ???? WTF?! Please elaborate, I need another good laugh !!
The only way I could see this whole thing as succesful in your eyes
Stockwell is that a bunch of "working girls" got rousted and that would
been seen as succesful in any right wing religious right persons eyes.

Tunnel vision therefore in my eyes speaketh for itself.

The RCMP and local police forces have worked together with Citizenship and Immigration Canada and the Canada Border Services Agency plus other community partners. It is thanks to their dedication, perseverance and sensitivity that we were able to expose these operations, help victims in need, and halt criminals in their tracks."

What side of the planet are you from Stockwell or any planet for that
matter? Helping victims? What criminals?
Oh yah you helped the victims alright, showing young girls in handcuffs
and spreading it all over the news. No illegals were found or did you
miss something?
Explain criminals please??? Or was that why these girls were in handcuffs
as they were seen as the criminals??

Do us all a favour and walk off the planet please!
Better yet, walk in a front of speeding freight truck would ya !

...........QM'r

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the recent Head Honcho RCMP stepping down? Perhaps a diversionary (if that's a word) tactic?

I'm not certain this was a sort of moral cleansing in preparation for the Olympics as Vancouver has had a long reputation for being rather liberal (prostitution, open marijuana use, open marijuana sale, etc.) hence the nickname "Vansterdam".

Either way, the Feds have no idea what they stand to take responsibilty of if they continue to allow this to happen. These well known massage parlours are allowing SPs to work in a clean and relatively safe environment. Take that away and you'll have more street level SPs disappearing and showing up dead in dumpsters a la Edmonton. The one thing that might have spurned the raids other than human trafficking and exploitation would be that Massage Parlours are strictly licensed to provide just that. MASSAGE. Charge a fee for a massage aka room fee only. Any extras are up for the attendent to solicit. This is also known as 1-2-3 pricing. Massage parlours advertising all-inclusive services/pricing are flauntingly breaking the law with what they are licensed for. They are begging to get busted.

We can all agree that human trafficking need to be combatted but it is very doubtful the victims of such circumstances would be working in licensed parlours.

 

[slacker]

I agree with everything said here.

Last election I voted liberal. Not that I love them.

I'm a fiscal conservative, but social libertarian. I think that puts me in a tough spot as I don't align well at all with NDP or conservatives.

While I'd have liked a better choice than the liberals, the thought of voting conservatives in that may take more freedoms away from us instead of offering more freedoms we don't have now, just made me angry thinking about it.

The funny thing is, I thought the conservatives haven't done a bad job since getting in. But slowly they bring their moral compass into government and things go downhill. Starts with the age of consent (maybe not a bad idea, but again, another restriction). Now Stockwell Day with his ridiculous statements about prostitution. Now I'm getting really angry if this is the narrow minded view they have. I guarantee you there will be no loosening of laws concerning "moral" wrongs such as sex, drugs, ... heck may as well throw rock and roll in there.

So there is no way I will vote conservative. Ever. Freedom is a bigger issue to me than taxation policy and such.

At this point I'm really just a bit dissapointed in where Canada is going. A year or two back I thought we could really reach some enlightenment as people were discussing decriminalization of pot, etc. But the times are a changing ...

Really we should probably all be speaking up and making our views known to society and politicians. You hear the media plastering stories all over the place about the evils of prostitution and such. But I doubt any of us speak up and stand up for the prostitution. I might bet a very large chunk of society is OK with it. I'm pretty sure most of my family would be. I guess there are some reasons for not piping up though such as outing yourself to a spouse and such ... it's a shame as I think we get trampled on because of this. If you look at the drug culture, it fares much better as lots of people show up for drug advocacy events as it probably even has a "cool" stigma to it.

Ok it's late and I'm babbling again ....

 

[HaywoodJabloemy]

I'm a fiscal conservative, but social libertarian. I think that puts me in a tough spot as I don't align well at all with NDP or conservatives.

Believe it not, the Green Party in Canada are considered to be fiscally conservative, yet progressive on social issues, and have reached 10% in recent polls.

...Vancouver has had a long reputation for being rather liberal...

...These well known massage parlours are allowing SPs to work in a clean and relatively safe environment...

...Massage parlours advertising all-inclusive services/pricing are flauntingly breaking the law with what they are licensed for. They are begging to get busted.

I wonder what would happen if a bunch of places that had already been tolerated/licensed for a long time simultaneously started calling themselves brothels. It would be daring LE to come after them, but I don't know if they would. If LE still did nothing, it would definitely set some kind of new precedent and make it more than obvious to the public that the relevant Criminal Code sections had become pointless. It would be something like Western Australia, where brothels are openly allowed despite being technically illegal in the state.
http://www.club316.com.au/html/index.html

 

[slacker]

Believe it not, the Green Party in Canada are considered to be fiscally conservative, yet progressive on social issues, and have reached 10% in recent polls.

Yeah I was going to mention the greens. I've always thought about it, but it's a bit of a wasted vote at this time if you are trying to keep a certain party out. I'm also not quite sure I trust the greens not to screw up. They just remind me too much of the NDP in some ways. I actually was going to vote for them until I went and researched their party platform, and what I read there really turned me off. But you'd never know what they will do until they got in. So I'll probably go green next time unless the liberals can get their crap together and head in the right direction.

While I'm social libertarian, that can describe a lot of things. The conservatives are doing some things the liberals were too gutless to deal with such as getting tough on crime (some social libertarians might advocate not punishing criminals). Actually sending thieves to jail. What a concept. The problem is while I think we should be tough on criminals, what they often consider criminal activity I do not. If you aren't harming others, it's not criminal activity. But the consevatives will dream up all sorts of ways to criminalize activities that do no harm to others.

Anyway I'm blabbing again, but the point is if the greens will be the most progressive when it comes to the sex industry, I'll strongly consider them next time around.