Potable Water

sdw

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Potable Water, the kind that you drink and cook with is going to be fought over in the near future. Some of the reason is due to Climate Change, the changes in weather patterns has lead to long term drought in areas that had had sufficient water. Some of the reason is that humans seem to care little how much they pollute the world around them. Even in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, you find garbage that was "disposed of" by humans. Ocean shores are heavily polluted - often disgustingly so. I found myself staring at a human turd while swimming near Victoria.

Some Nations are already dependent on desalination plants to provide the water necessary for their population to survive. The desalination plants in Israel, Saudi Arabia and Singapore use combined evaporation and reverse osmosis technology. This is because their intake water is so heavily polluted that that flash boiling the water does not eliminate the pollution, the re-condensed water must be further processed through reverse osmosis to make it safe for human consumption.

What people don't realize is that wells to access ground water are not the answer in most of the world. There is an article on CBC that talks about how renewable ground water actually is. Only 6% of ground water over 50 years is renewed. That's why Israel and Saudi Arabia must rely on desalination plants for their water. http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/groundwater-study-1.3318137
... The water that supplies aquifers and wells that billions of people rely on around the world is mostly a non-renewable resource that could run out, a new Canadian-led study has found.

While many people may think groundwater is replenished by rain and melting snow the way lakes and rivers are, underground water is actually renewed much more slowly.

In fact, just six per cent of the groundwater around the world is replenished within a "human lifetime" of 50 years, reports University of Victoria hydrogeologist Tom Gleeson and his collaborators in a new study published in the journal Nature Geoscience today.

That water tends to be mainly found within a few hundred metres of the surface, where it is most vulnerable to being contaminated by pollution or depleted by higher temperatures and reduced rainfall as a result of climate change, the researchers found. ...

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Scientists had previously made a rough estimate of the amount of groundwater in the world, but no one knew how much is renewable and how quickly it's replenished.

Gleeson and his colleagues came up with a way to figure out what groundwater was less than 50 years old. In the 1960s, during the Cold War, a number of countries were doing above-ground nuclear testing. This introduced a radioactive form of hydrogen, called tritium, into the world's water supply.

The researchers figured that groundwater with high levels of tritium was renewed since the 1960s. Groundwater with negligible levels was older.

By looking at 3,500 measurements of tritium in groundwater from 55 countries and using computer models to trace the flow of groundwater around the world, they were able to estimate how much groundwater was young and renewable and how much was older. ...

... Gleeson said in places like California and the U.S. Midwest, people are already using "non-renewable" water that is thousands of years old and in places such as Egypt, they're tapping into water that may have last been renewed a million years ago. Such old water isn't just non-renewable — it tends to be saltier and more contaminated than younger groundwater.

In addition, overusing groundwater, either old or young, can lower subsurface water levels and dry up streams, which could have a huge effect on ecosystems on the surface, Gleeson added.

He hopes the study will help remind and motivate people to manage their groundwater resources better. "And realize that it's finite and a limited resource that we need to respect and manage properly."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination

Both Israel and Saudi Arabia are supplying 50% or more of their needed water through desalination.
 
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We're just coming into the rainy season. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of litres of water will fall and go into the storm drains to be directed back to the ocean. I remember posting in a thread that if half of the buildings in Vancouver captured rain water there may not be such a problem in the summer, or possibly the future. I grew up on a farm, we had rain barrels and the water was used for watering the garden. Common sense goes out of style. :crazy:

An article in The Province about water sales.
 

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Up here it's far more arid than on the Coast, and we do everything to direct, and keep the water from running away for our grasslands.
I've been witness to many a feud between Ranchers ,who have been friends for generations...To one day pointing lever actions at each other, over the redirection of water.
I am first generation up here...And bought very smart because I had no family connection or emotional tie to the land I was purchasing...Now that has changed, my hard work has tied me too this place.
There was an incident that happened where a land owner was digging up a protected creek bed before my point of irrigation...A firearm was involved to stop the work, and the diversion before it was too late.
He claimed to be ignorant of the protection laws, and first rights on water...I claimed to not realize I was pointing a gun at him.
We both paid the fines and avoided each other for a few years...We now talk once in a while but are cautious of each other.
 

sdw

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We're just coming into the rainy season. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of litres of water will fall and go into the storm drains to be directed back to the ocean. I remember posting in a thread that if half of the buildings in Vancouver captured rain water there may not be such a problem in the summer, or possibly the future. I grew up on a farm, we had rain barrels and the water was used for watering the garden. Common sense goes out of style. :crazy:

An article in The Province about water sales.
In Rainover and the Lower Mainland we are still locked in the idea that we have an unlimited supply of water. We already have water shortages in the Summer because Climate Change has meant that the Winter is too warm to impound enough water in Snow Pack. If Climate Change changes the amount of Rain we get during the Spring and Summer, we may discover that Potable Water is NOT unlimited. Luckily, we can solve the problem with Dams and Dredging to increase our storage of the Winter Rain. With the exception of the Thompson River, we don't have to worry about Downstream Rights.

In the older parts of London, Rain Water is collected from the Roofs in Cisterns. This wasn't really because of lack of water, it was because the Ground Water was already so polluted in the 1800s that people used the water from their Cistern for drinking and the water from their Well for other activities.

In China, both up around Beijing and down around Shanghai, the Ground Water is too toxic to drink, cook with or brush your teeth with. People use Bottled Water for those activities. People don't eat uncooked vegetables, the food is too toxic if it hasn't been cooked. There is lots of water, it's just all polluted and much of it is polluted with heavy metals in addition to sewage.

For those of us that have played in the Sand Box, we know that in many places you have to drill down a long ways to supply a community with polluted Ground Water. Charities love to have that fund raising picture of happy children playing around a Well that they supposedly drilled. 99% of the time the picture is Bullshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_in_Afghanistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Iraq

Even REMFs like I was are very conscious of how much water we have available.

There are places in the world, already, where if you want to drill for water - you are going to drill through the world until you hit ocean on the other side. Then, there are places where there is too much water. Climate Change has made some places wet 24/7. People are beginning to have difficulty living there because the land is washing away. You can't farm stones.
 

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the snowpack is the cleanest (and therefore the cheapest to purify) source of water that is handily available to the gvrd

however, there is another quite abundant source of fresh water nearby, and that is the fraser river

the flow of the fraser at its mouth is approximately 3,500 cubic metres per second, or 3.5 million litres per second. 3.5 million litres per second x 60 sec/min x 60 min/hr x 24 hrs/day = approximately 300,000 million litres per day

total gvrd water consumption in its peak year (2002) was 1,800 million litres per day - or a whole lot less than what is flowing out into the ocean every day from the fraser

now granted, the fraser would be a lot more expensive to clean up than say, the capilano, but it is there to use

so i don't particularly loose any sleep about the gvrd 'running out of water' any time soon
 

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well first of all, the 'significant' portion of which you speak = 1,800 / 300,000 x 100 = 0.6%

hardly a significant amount. i dare say well within the annual variability of the total flow. and the sediments? well, you just mix them right back in with the river water after extracting them out of what becomes potable water - hardly a problem at all, and actually a very inexpensive method of disposing of them

californians gotta do what californians gotta do, but we on the other hand a FAR from running out of potable water

nope, i still don't see any problems
 
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