Possible ad of underage escort - how is this best addressed?

[Ratbert_2008]

There is an ad on ers with a picture of someone who seems to me to be underaged and the phrase "Newly 19" which might be a code that actually implies underage. This could be a real ad or it could be a sting of some kind.

I sent a PM yesterday to the erslist account on perb but haven't received a reply yet.

Based on their FAQ, erslist likely won't address this unless someone reports this:

If you have a reason to suspect that content distributed might be of an underage individual or is somehow connected to human trafficking -- or you have reason to know of suspected criminal activity -- please report it immediately to the appropriate authorities not to erslist.com.

Once contacted by the proper authorities, we will cooperate to the fullest extent possible. However, erslist.com does not have capability to investigate or offer meaningful resolution – if you suspect or believe you have been the victim of a crime – please report it to the proper agency. Only by reporting illegal activity to the appropriate authorities, can you assist us by effectively ensuring that erslist.com remains a safe environment. A list of resources is available here.

We cannot act on allegations or suspicions. Bear in mind when reporting a violation of our terms of service that the information must be truthful. If we detect on-going patterns of harassment in our reporting system, this may be treated as abuse of our terms of service.

So at this point, I need to contact the police/RCMP. Anyone know who I should contact? I'm not going to phone them, it has to be something computer-based, email, web etc.

 

[normisanas]

ad: http://www.erslist.com/female-escor...t_wet_n_ready_to_play_with_you_tonight-190707

To me, the picture is likely of someone underaged and the phrase "Newly 19" might be a code that actually implies underage. This could be a real ad or it could be a sting of some kind.

I sent a PM yesterday to the erslist account on perb but haven't received a reply yet.

Based on their FAQ, erslist likely won't address this unless someone reports this:



So at this point, I need to contact the police/RCMP. Anyone know who I should contact? I'm not going to phone them, it has to be something computer-based, email, web etc.

You call them and you automatically become a suspect. You call her and you will be on the suspect list and the cops might be interested in talking to you to press charges.

If I were you I wouldn't bother. Even if she is underage, she probably is doing this completely on her own free will, and besides, the cops are surfing it all the time and trying to find girls like her. They've probably already visited her, and if not, they will soon.

 

[VanessaofBC]

Send a PM to susie with as much proof as possible. Ask to remain anonymous.

Make sure you have a good list outlining the events/timeline. Includes any pictures . That would help expedite things. We COUNT/DEPEND on all the real Gentlemen out there to report this info amwd save a young womans life. Its callex Karma. Or paying it forward.

Thx.

 

[Ratbert_2008]

In the VPD web site in the "Report a Crime" section, there is a link to the Crime Stoppers website.

I filled out a form there with the link, all the text from the ad and uploaded the picture.

It gave me a code and I gave a password so that I can follow up.

 

[Tugela]

I doubt it is a sting, it would be more explicit if it were otherwise it wouldn't be an effective sting.

She does look young, but, a lot of 18-19 year olds look that way.

If you have doubts, why take chances? There are lots of fish in the sea.

I agree, I don't think you need to do anything if you haven't actually been to see her (and hopefully walked away if she was too young). You can't really tell from a few pictures (which may or may not be her) and some words on an add. The police monitor those kinds of sites for signs of underaged activity and I'm sure they would have seen what you have seen.

 

[normisanas]

I think he did the right thing.
Regardless of monitoring, things slip through the cracks all the time.
It may cause her an inconvenience once if the man pays a visit to confirm age, but after that, if she’s legit, they’ll leave her alone.

Good job Rathbert :thumb:

Although I would have just called Crime Stoppers from a pay phone and said “Search ERS for this xxxx” and hung up.
I would be seriously worried about it being known I had called/mailed and I’m sure they have the IP you visited from.

A visit from the coppers won't stop girls like this, they'll just hustle some other way. If they're this far along already - as in having sex with strangers for money, they're probably not your typical youngster. It's not a "save the children" issue as far as I can see, it's more a "public policy / law enforcement profile" issue. Anyways the cops already get paid good tax dollars to handle this mess, and it'll have no effect anyways so why bother spinning your own wheels after being put over the barrel paying their salaries anyways.

 

[Smilf]

omg you guys, if you think she's underage, you should report it to at least Susie, sheesh, she could be at risk or a missing girl, hard core pimped etc and the police don't always catch everything .. do you guys know how many sites there are to monitor and how many thousands of ads there are to go through? If that was your daughter what would you want people to do?

Come on guys!

 

[normisanas]

omg you guys, if you think she's underage, you should report it to at least Susie, sheesh, she could be at risk or a missing girl, hard core pimped etc and the police don't always catch everything .. do you guys know how many sites there are to monitor and how many thousands of ads there are to go through? If that was your daughter what would you want people to do?

Come on guys!

If I had a daughter, I'd want someone to all the cops so I can come get her and give her a good talking to.... only to realize that she's gone "wrong" in my books and that would have happened long ago and if she'd resort to this at such a young age, she's far gone. Next thing I'd do with the knowledge is plan what to do with myself if one day I found out she got killed by some psycho because of the risk she exposes herself to.

 

[normisanas]

But sometimes all it takes is for someone to give a shit about a young girl, for her to turn her life around.

:nod:

so where are the pro-sex feminists who would say that it's her body, her business and the government and police have no right to intervene? Why aren't they saying she knows what she's doing? Why are people saying she's being forced into it by a pimp, etc., automatically making her out to be a victim of someone else?

19 is such an arbitrary number anyways. It's not like on her 19th birthday she suddenly knows what she's doing when she didn't the day before. If I were her father, I'd be just as concerned if she was 20 about the direction of her life, and that's speaking from a traditional male-oriented view and anti-feminist (though I do agree with a lot of feminist principles).

 

[Smilf]

so where are the pro-sex feminists who would say that it's her body, her business and the government and police have no right to intervene? Why aren't they saying she knows what she's doing? Why are people saying she's being forced into it by a pimp, etc., automatically making her out to be a victim of someone else?

19 is such an arbitrary number anyways. It's not like on her 19th birthday she suddenly knows what she's doing when she didn't the day before. If I were her father, I'd be just as concerned if she was 20 about the direction of her life, and that's speaking from a traditional male-oriented view and anti-feminist (though I do agree with a lot of feminist principles).

Because usually at their age in this industry they are being victimized .. a 19 year old just decides to wake up one day and become an escort? Someone obviously influenced her.

I tell you what, when I was 16 and went out on the street for the first time, I wish someone would've came a long and gave me a good talking to, but nobody did and we certainly didn't have the resources we do now to help young girls.

What were you doing at 19? How much common sense and real life experience did you have at that age?

Sure it's her body, but we don't know IF she's 19.

 

[Smilf]

Ratebert, can you please take her ad link out of your post or ask a mod to do it if you can't. I posted this in the ladies lounge and we'll figure it out from here.

 

[normisanas]

As a father, each day I have before she’s 19 is precious time to teach her what I already know.
A month or two would make a big difference to me.

I guess if she were my kid, I'd take the view that:
1) she'll get pissed at me for telling her what to do, especially with the feminist rhetoric about women owning their bodies and God forbid a man telling her about it
2) she'll do it anyways
3) she's gone that way from way back years ago, whether it be my fault as a parent or just her own doing

... so with that I'd say: "look here, can you wait till you're 19? In the meantime, since you've been earning a fabulous income out of this, like 5 times what I make as the head of the household, I won't charge you a penny rent but the day you're 19 you're paying $5,000 a month for your room and board because I know you're probably going to make $10,000 a month if you don't blow it all on stupid shit. Where'd all the money you made now go anyways? Anyways, when you're 19, go get yourself signed up with an escort agency and tell me which one so I don't run into you and save myself some embarrassment, and that'll be safer than running it out of your own place, dropping your drawers behind locked doors with strangers and getting yourself killed like the ones recently in New Westminster. And don't show up at my place dressed like a working girl please, I don't want to be reminded I fuck girls your age for pay. Thanks kid, now smarten up!"

 

[Ratbert_2008]

I think about the dumbest thing you could do, is to draw attention to the ad of a potentially underage girl. You've just given this girl a ton of exposure. There was absolutely no reason to list the ad.

Thanks for pointing that out. I have removed the link.

 

[Ratbert_2008]

Ratebert, can you please take her ad link out of your post or ask a mod to do it if you can't. I posted this in the ladies lounge and we'll figure it out from here.

Done, based on filmgeek's post. Thanks for your help.

 

[normisanas]

Dude, I have no time for feminists, I think everyone here can agree on that.
But that’s a pretty harsh and cynical view, especially considering you’d say that to you own kid.

If I am the father that I think I am, I doubt I would be surprised with what you have described.
I would either have headed it off, or been in on it from day 1 handling security.
But, you never know…

Well I don't have kids, so what the hell do i know!

 

[susi]

her email has ("94) in it....could be she's just of age. i tried to call but no answer. 19/ 20 year olds all look really young to me cuz i am old biotch!!lol

i will continue to try to contact her and check her ID or something. we have done this before when new/ young looking girls show up in the ads.

for discussions sake, it is illegal to not report a youth at risk as far as i know.....norm is right that we shouldn't assume she is pimped and maybe doing it of her own free will, but if she is underage there are laws against older men (more than 5 years older) having sex with her.

we may not agree with the law but that is the law. so i would caution people until we determine if she is of legal age to consent.

love susie

susie

 

[perbal rain]

Dude, I have no time for feminists, I think everyone here can agree on that.

Nope.

(Arbitrary sentence lengthening message because it won't allow me to make such a short post.)

 

[Smilf]

I guess if she were my kid, I'd take the view that:
1) she'll get pissed at me for telling her what to do, especially with the feminist rhetoric about women owning their bodies and God forbid a man telling her about it
2) she'll do it anyways
3) she's gone that way from way back years ago, whether it be my fault as a parent or just her own doing

... so with that I'd say: "look here, can you wait till you're 19? In the meantime, since you've been earning a fabulous income out of this, like 5 times what I make as the head of the household, I won't charge you a penny rent but the day you're 19 you're paying $5,000 a month for your room and board because I know you're probably going to make $10,000 a month if you don't blow it all on stupid shit. Where'd all the money you made now go anyways? Anyways, when you're 19, go get yourself signed up with an escort agency and tell me which one so I don't run into you and save myself some embarrassment, and that'll be safer than running it out of your own place, dropping your drawers behind locked doors with strangers and getting yourself killed like the ones recently in New Westminster. And don't show up at my place dressed like a working girl please, I don't want to be reminded I fuck girls your age for pay. Thanks kid, now smarten up!"

First of all, I think you're highly exaggerating incomes earned by sp's (especially in the last few years in Vancouver, which is why most of us tour) ... and I wouldn't recommend an agency, some of the one's in this city aren't exactly safe for ladies to work and second a lot of them don't care what type of calls their ladies go on nor do they pre screen their clients, whether buddy is an ass, drunk out of his mind, drug addict etc. most will send ladies on those calls despite knowing the risks. This is why a lot of us are independent, less fee's to give out and we get to choose who to see and why.

Two agencies promote drug use and abuse their ladies (although they both have probably 10 to 15 different agency names combined) and one that I had the pleasure of working at, charged us such ridiculous rates I quit after 2 days. Yeah I'm paying ad fees, shift fees, phone girl fees (who didn't even book our calls, just answered the phones), driver fees etc. yeah no thanks. So not exactly recommended unless it's someone like Harvi or Extreme April that actually give a shit about their ladies.

 

[Crumb]

correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't 18 legal age of consent?
criminal code of canada subsection 212(4) (obtaining prostitution of person under age of 18)

yeah, thats young, but what's the issue if she's advertising she's 19

 

[Ratbert_2008]

correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't 18 legal age of consent?
criminal code of canada subsection 212(4) (obtaining prostitution of person under age of 18)

yeah, thats young, but what's the issue if she's advertising she's 19

I was also under the impression that underaged was under 18.

The issue isn't the age being advertised, it's her actual age.