Poppies

[Cock Throppled]

Why do some people choose not to wear a poppy to honour war dead? It isn't a political act to wear one in my eyes.

 

[luv-em-n-lv-em]

Why do some people choose not to wear a poppy to honour war dead? It isn't a political act to wear one in my eyes.

I give the money but don't wear it. I hate pins!!! Maybe I could use a safety pin?

 

[felix29]

Why do some people choose not to wear a poppy to honour war dead? It isn't a political act to wear one in my eyes.

Some people are lazy and just dont really care

 

[SG4EVAH]

Out of respect, I recall being told that you wear them on the left hand side to "remember" as that is where the heart is?!

 

[maxx50]

Peace not War

Did any one see the News last night about the white Peace poppy.. and how the legion is up set and want s it stop..
I feel sorry for then .. Because after all all these men and women we are remembering ..Died for "Peace"And also there were meny millions more civilions that have die .. with out a chose to be in the War ..
REmember What they fought for .. Our father and Grand Fathers ... and those that are not here ..

Peace

 

[Juggy]

Where do you get poppies? Is it appropriate to have them in your hat?

 

[Marvin]

Where do you get poppies?

Are you serious? They are available in most public places, either through a display or through vetrans who are providing them on behalf of the Legion.

Is it appropriate to have them in your hat?

Absolutely NOT, unless you are in the military or police. The poppy is to be worn over the heart.

 

[Ilovethemall]

because they are jackasses

I see no reason at all not to wear the poppy - and not the f'ing white one either.

 

[Marvin]

This is a post from last year, which should be viewed again.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=37836&highlight=remembrance

 

[OTBn]

Why do some people choose not to wear a poppy to honour war dead?

As a direct answer to this threads posted question:

- some people have developed a negative view associated with a perceived forced political correctness to wear a poppy.
- some people view the poppy with political association - in Northern Ireland, for example, it became regarded as a Protestant Loyalist symbol because of its connection with British patriotism.
- (many) Cenotaph inscriptions bear reference to “Glorious Dead”; some people perceive the poppy as an extension of that perceived glorification of war/dead.
- some people have an aversion to war/military and anything that might be perceived to associate with war/military.

 

[Bartdude]

Interesting take on the poppy from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6131464.stm

Red poppy 'less Christian' claim
A Christian lobby group has claimed the wearing of red poppies is "politically correct" and stifles debate.

The director of Ekklesia, Jonathan Bartley, said people should be able to choose between red or white ones.

He added red poppies implied redemption through war, but Christianity seeks redemption through non-violence. White ones were created to symbolise peace.

The Royal British Legion said the red version was "a symbol of the need to... reflect on the human cost of war".

Mr Bartley told the BBC: "The red poppy suggests the idea that our soldiers died for freedom but that's not a value-free position."

Mr Bartley, writing in an edition of the Anglican newspaper The Church Times, said British public figures wore the red poppy almost as an "article of faith" while simultaneously being told not to wear items like crucifixes.

He said: "The Christian tradition, and specifically the crucifix, have a great deal in common with the poppy.

"Both are linked to sacrifice. Both take a location of bloodshed and violence and make a statement about it.

"And both attempt to give us hope in the face of death. They imply that those who died did not do so in vain.

"But whilst apparently banned from wearing one symbol of hope, the cross, public figures in Britain are simultaneously urged, indeed in many cases, required, to wear another, the red poppy, almost as an article of faith.

"There is a political correctness about the red poppy, which often goes unnoticed."

Mr Bartley, a member of the Church of England, has also said churches should offer congregations alternatives to the red poppy, such as the white one.

A spokesman for The Royal British Legion said: "The Legion cannot comment on matters spiritual. Our concern is with remembrance and the welfare of the living.

The Red Poppy is an internationally-recognised symbol of remembrance and has been so since the end of the First World War.

"Churches, who host so many services of remembrance, should at least give people the choice, and make white poppies more widely available, alongside red ones."

"The Legion held the first Poppy Appeal in 1921 to raise money for its welfare work in the ex-service community and since then it has encouraged the wearing of the red poppy as a poignant symbol of the need to pause and reflect on the human cost of war."

The BBC's religious affairs correspondent, Robert Pigott, accepts that Ekklesia's call for parity for the white poppy is provocative.

He also reports that the white version has been a controversial symbol since being introduced by anti-war groups 73 years ago.

Meanwhile Channel 4 newsreader Jon Snow, criticised by some viewers for not wearing a poppy on air, has explained his decision not to adopt the symbol.

Writing in a blog, the journalist explained: "I am begged to wear an Aids Ribbon, a breast cancer ribbon, a Marie Curie flower... You name it, from the Red Cross to the RNIB, they send me stuff to wear to raise awareness, and I don't.

"And in those terms, and those terms alone, I do not and will not wear a poppy.

"Additionally there is a rather unpleasant breed of poppy fascism out there - 'he damned well must wear a poppy!'.

"Well I do, in my private life, but I am not going to wear it or any other symbol on air."

*****************
RED POPPY DAY

Flower has been symbol of remembrance since 1921 for those who died during the two World Wars and other conflicts

Canadian doctor John McCrae wrote a poem in his pocket book in 1915 called In Flanders Fields

Poem eventually published in Punch Magazine and the poppy became popular symbol for those killed in battle

In 1918 American Moira Michael wrote a poem in reply We Shall Keep the Faith promising to wear a poppy in honour of the dead, beginning tradition of remembrance poppies

First Poppy Day held in Britain on November 11, 1921, and hailed a success, raising £106,000

The Co-operative Women's Guild produced the first white version in 1933 as a symbol for peace.

 

[luckydog71]

This is a post from last year, which should be viewed again.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=37836&highlight=remembrance

Hey Anita, maybe you should read this. I HOPE you go out tomorrow and stand out in the rain to honour those who served.

Thanks Marvin for remembering that post. I was just going to search and find it myself.

I am going to repost it as a new thread.

LD

 

[dirtydan]

Why do some people choose not to wear a poppy to honour war dead? It isn't a political act to wear one in my eyes.

There's probably a variety of reasons. I'd say it ranges from an ignorance of history to misinterpretting it as being pro-war, to simply not caring to who knows what else. As many can see in the Lounge I'm definately not a pro-war kind of guy. There is world of difference in supporting war and supporting the troops/vets. The horrible shit vets have been put through in a war is reason alone for us civilians to wear a poppy at this time of the year. If some one has a problem with the glorification of war then take up with the government and don't take it out on the vets. Other than wearing a poppy to show our gratitude for their serving in a war, we also should pressing our federal government to have good all-round care for the vets that need it.

 

[westwoody]

Anyone who thinks poppies glorify war is an idiot. There is nothing glorious about spending 35 years in a wheelchair in a veteran's home like my father's brother, or simply vanishing in the English Channel, presumed dead, like his other brother.
Sore subject.

 

[expedition]

Anyone who thinks poppies glorify war is an idiot. There is nothing glorious about spending 35 years in a wheelchair in a veteran's home like my father's brother, or simply vanishing in the English Channel, presumed dead, like his other brother.
Sore subject.

Anyone that gets the chance should go see the new War Museum in Ottawa. The vetrans and military consulted during it's design specifically asked the planners to not glorify or glamourize war.

They have done a wonderful job of creating a place that recognizes the achievements and sacrifices of those in, and out of uniform, and the role of war in shaping our country, while at the same time never forgetting that war even if necessary, is vile, evil and not wanted by any sane person.

I personally have never met a combat veteran that thought war was anything but a stupid tragic waste, and dearly hoped it would never ever happen again.

( and don't get me started on the "white poppy" people! )

 

[dexi]

Why do some people choose not to wear a poppy to honour war dead? It isn't a political act to wear one in my eyes.

The reverse is true also. It isn't necessarily a political act to not wear one.

Wear one if you want. Don't if you don't. Personal freedoms. It's what the whole thing's about anyway.

There are the dumb, ignoramus people who don't wear one because they don't understand or don't give a fuck, and then there are the sanctimonious cunts who think that if you don't pay tribute in exactly the same way everyone else does you're a vile human being. I can't stand either of these people.

Our veterans didn't fight, and in many cases, die in order that some day everyone would be forced to honour them by wearing a piece of red felt over their heart.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

I think in all political correctness it should be referred to as: 'the symbol formerly known as the poppy'

 

[kylle]

the heart is in the center of your chest not the left.

Out of respect, I recall being told that you wear them on the left hand side to "remember" as that is where the heart is?!

the heart is in the center of your chest not the left.

 

[sdw]

Anyone that gets the chance should go see the new War Museum in Ottawa. The vetrans and military consulted during it's design specifically asked the planners to not glorify or glamourize war.

They have done a wonderful job of creating a place that recognizes the achievements and sacrifices of those in, and out of uniform, and the role of war in shaping our country, while at the same time never forgetting that war even if necessary, is vile, evil and not wanted by any sane person.

I personally have never met a combat veteran that thought war was anything but a stupid tragic waste, and dearly hoped it would never ever happen again.

( and don't get me started on the "white poppy" people! )

Anyone who thinks war is glorious should watch the CNN piece on Military Hospitals.

I'm fairly certain that if people who had earned their Combat Infantry Badge were the only ones who could be elected, there would be no war. Fighting in the Infantry is much different than the war Arm Chair Warriors or Swabies fight.