Pooning In Merto Vancouver: WTF Is Going On?

[Papacito]

After researching the pooning scene in Vancouver for a few months I'm absolutely shocked and horrified. I can't believe it's for real: the main source of ads - Leolist is pretty much a scam: most of ads are total fraud with fake pics, others don't provide the essential info including pricing, services provided and body stats. Those few pics which are not fake are mostly lame, sometimes to a degree that it's hard to make an informed decision. Prices are over the top for anything decent though Vancouver doesn't strike as a wealthy place at all - wages are quite low, and majority of the local population seem to live in poverty or borderline at best. Lots of girls are trashy looking and seem to lack any class, though still asking premium price. Anything affordable is beyond any criticism: some ugly, fat, old broads who should be ashamed of publicly displaying their bodies, and who should be paying gigolos to fuck them rather than expecting to get paid. There is no place to leave a review on Leolist, so scammers can easily defraud as many clients as they want to unless someone is lucky enough to find a review on this forum. SP's blogs on this forum are kind of more informative, but most are grossly overpriced. Why should quality sex be so unaffordable and hard to find? What is the reason?

Strangely, general public is OK with those sub-standard 'services': pooners on this forum are routinely involved in immature discussions about fake pics and scam SPs, and don't mind spending their hard earned money patronizing obvious fraud instead of boycotting it altogether. Lots of SPs don't seem to have a clue about male sexuality and why men actually go to escorts: they seem to think that men are like dogs, and all they need is to insert a cock into some hole and cum - at least many escort ads lead to this sad conclusion. As a result SPs tend to overestimate themselves: they believe that having a pussy is sufficient to warrant a premium price, and this fact alone has such a tremendous value that nothing else really matters and can be simply disregarded.

Seriously, WTF is going on and why?

 

[Caramel]

cry me a river :Cry:

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

After researching the pooning scene in Vancouver for a few months I'm absolutely shocked and horrified. I can't believe it's for real: the main source of ads - Leolist is pretty much a scam: most of ads are total fraud with fake pics, others don't provide the essential info including pricing, services provided and body stats. Those few pics which are not fake are mostly lame, sometimes to a degree that it's hard to make an informed decision. Prices are over the top for anything decent though Vancouver doesn't strike as a wealthy place at all - wages are quite low, and majority of the local population seem to live in poverty or borderline at best. Lots of girls are trashy looking and seem to lack any class, though still asking premium price. Anything affordable is beyond any criticism: some ugly, fat, old broads who should be ashamed of publicly displaying their bodies, and who should be paying gigolos to fuck them rather than expecting to get paid. There is no place to leave a review on Leolist, so scammers can easily defraud as many clients as they want to unless someone is lucky enough to find a review on this forum. SP's blogs on this forum are kind of more informative, but most are grossly overpriced. Why should quality sex be so unaffordable and hard to find? What is the reason?

Strangely, general public is OK with those sub-standard 'services': pooners on this forum are routinely involved in immature discussions about fake pics and scam SPs, and don't mind spending their hard earned money patronizing obvious fraud instead of boycotting it altogether. Lots of SP don't seem to have a clue about male sexuality and why men actually go to escorts: they seem to think that men are like dogs, and all they need is to insert a cock into some hole and cum - at least many escort ads lead to this sad conclusion. As a result SPs tend to overestimate themselves: they believe that having a pussy is sufficient to warrant a premium price, and this fact alone has such a tremendous value that nothing else really matters and can be simply disregarded.

Seriously, WTF is going on and why?

I'd like to address this, if I may. Might I suggest that if that is your opinion of Leolist girls, you look only at the Verified Advertisers? If you're looking for a true courtesan experience, maybe look at Eros rather than LeoList, or rely on an agency. Why make your inquiries so hateful? Do you think that an attitude like that is going to assist you in having a quality experience? Perhaps the issue is that you're approaching things from a very negative perspective already. Maybe you've been burned by bad luck, or by disregarded advice here. If you're looking for someone absolutely drop dead sexy & incredibly beautiful, try Miss Evelyn Snow. If you want a cougar hardbody MILF that fucks like a pornstar, call ToA! Both of them are well reviewed, both of them the real deal at what they do, both VERIFIED on LL. Neither of them is inexpensive. Great sex ain't cheap; cheap sex ain't great.

On the other hand...If, perchance, I'm an ugly, fat, old broads who should be ashamed of publicly displaying their bodies, and who should be paying gigolos to fuck them rather than expecting to get paid. ? I would love to show you what I understand about male sexuality, then I'll invite you to kiss my juicy white ass, and I won't charge you an extra dime for it! :kisses:

 

[westwoody]

After researching the pooning scene in Vancouver for a few months I'm absolutely shocked and horrified

I was shocked and appalled at the trolling scene.

 

[tt44]

Thats why i dont do toftt. Its just too risky here in Vancouver. So i make sure i do the homework first.
And i noticed all the well established ones dont even advertise anymore.

 

[Papacito]

I'd like to address this, if I may. Might I suggest that if that is your opinion of Leolist girls, you look only at the Verified Advertisers? If you're looking for a true courtesan experience, maybe look at Eros rather than LeoList, or rely on an agency. Why make your inquiries so hateful? Do you think that an attitude like that is going to assist you in having a quality experience? If however, the issue is that you're approaching things from a very negative perspective already. Maybe you've been burned by bad luck, or by disregarded advice here. If you're looking for someone absolutely drop dead sexy & incredibly beautiful, try Miss Evelyn Snow. If you want a cougar hardbody MILF that fucks like a pornstar, call ToA! Both of them are well reviewed, both of them the real deal at what they do, both VERIFIED on LL. Neither of them is inexpensive. Great sex ain't cheap; cheap sex ain't great.

On the other hand...If, perchance, I'm an ugly, fat, old broads who should be ashamed of publicly displaying their bodies, and who should be paying gigolos to fuck them rather than expecting to get paid. ? I would love to show you what I understand about male sexuality, then I'll invite you to kiss my juicy white ass, and I won't charge you an extra dime for it! :kisses:

Erica, I appreciate you contributing to this topic, and, please, don't take my comments personally. First of all, the fact that Leolist has Verified Advertisers is not an excuse for facilitating fraud with most of non-verified. Fake pics = FRAUD, make no mistake here, and we are talking about defrauding people out of their MONEY, and it's not a joke. I don't see any reason why fake advertisers are not banned, and why clients can't leave reviews right next to ads to easily figure out who is fraud and who is simply bad SP. Why not making some essential info mandatory? Ad with no price, for example? WTF? I don't have time for this nonsense. So Leolist makes money on scammers by victimizing innocent pooners - why do these pooners use Leolist as the main reference on this forum? Are they insane? There is absolutely nothing positive about fraud, especially when I am personally targeted, so why do you expect me to be positive about it? I absolutely hate it, and do have all the reasons in the world to do so. My negative experience in Vancouver has nothing to do with my attitude: we are not talking about dating, but about pooning. That's different. I don't think any good SP wouldn't like me as a client: I'm not rude, demanding or anything out of ordinary, and even clean, fit and goodlooking. The problem is that good SP is next to impossible to find unless you are willing to pay some arbitrary price which is beyond any common sense.

'Great sex ain't cheap; cheap sex ain't great' - WRONG!!! Great sex can be affordable, and expensive sex is no guarantee it would be great.

I'll definitely check the SPs you suggested and provide feedback.

 

[MissingOne]

Some people take pooning far too seriously. Not thinking of anyone in particular, mind you.

 

[badbadboy]

After researching the pooning scene in Vancouver for a few months I'm absolutely shocked and horrified. I can't believe it's for real: the main source of ads - Leolist is pretty much a scam: most of ads are total fraud with fake pics, others don't provide the essential info including pricing, services provided and body stats. Those few pics which are not fake are mostly lame, sometimes to a degree that it's hard to make an informed decision. Prices are over the top for anything decent though Vancouver doesn't strike as a wealthy place at all - wages are quite low, and majority of the local population seem to live in poverty or borderline at best. Lots of girls are trashy looking and seem to lack any class, though still asking premium price. Anything affordable is beyond any criticism: some ugly, fat, old broads who should be ashamed of publicly displaying their bodies, and who should be paying gigolos to fuck them rather than expecting to get paid. There is no place to leave a review on Leolist, so scammers can easily defraud as many clients as they want to unless someone is lucky enough to find a review on this forum. SP's blogs on this forum are kind of more informative, but most are grossly overpriced. Why should quality sex be so unaffordable and hard to find? What is the reason?

Strangely, general public is OK with those sub-standard 'services': pooners on this forum are routinely involved in immature discussions about fake pics and scam SPs, and don't mind spending their hard earned money patronizing obvious fraud instead of boycotting it altogether. Lots of SPs don't seem to have a clue about male sexuality and why men actually go to escorts: they seem to think that men are like dogs, and all they need is to insert a cock into some hole and cum - at least many escort ads lead to this sad conclusion. As a result SPs tend to overestimate themselves: they believe that having a pussy is sufficient to warrant a premium price, and this fact alone has such a tremendous value that nothing else really matters and can be simply disregarded.

Seriously, WTF is going on and why?

I didn't get past your thread title. "What's goin on?"

Segue to Marvin Gaye.

Fuckin great song huh?

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Erica, I appreciate you contributing to this topic, and, please, don't take my comments personally. First of all, the fact that Leolist has Verified Advertisers is not an excuse for facilitating fraud with most of non-verified. Fake pics = FRAUD, make no mistake here, and we are talking about defrauding people out of their MONEY, and it's not a joke. I don't see any reason why fake advertisers are not banned, and why clients can't leave reviews right next to ads to easily figure out who is fraud and who is simply bad SP. Why not making some essential info mandatory? Ad with no price, for example? WTF? I don't have time for this nonsense. So Leolist makes money on scammers by victimizing innocent pooners - why do these pooners use Leolist as the main reference on this forum? Are they insane? There is absolutely nothing positive about fraud, especially when I am personally targeted, so why do you expect me to be positive about it? I absolutely hate it, and do have all the reasons in the world to do so. My negative experience in Vancouver has nothing to do with my attitude: we are not talking about dating, but about pooning. That's different. I don't think any good SP wouldn't like me as a client: I'm not rude, demanding or anything out of ordinary, and even clean, fit and goodlooking. The problem is that good SP is next to impossible to find unless you are willing to pay some arbitrary price which is beyond any common sense.

'Great sex ain't cheap; cheap sex ain't great' - WRONG!!! Great sex can be affordable, and expensive sex is no guarantee it would be great.

I'll definitely check the SPs you suggested and provide feedback.

I didn't say affordable sex can't be great. I's the difference between a great bargain & a great value. To some men, I'm no bargain; to those who know me I give GREAT value! ;D Among other things. To show there's no hard feelings, I'd ad to the list: if you want to see an intelligent, opinionated, 40+ redhead with a smart mouth, a deep throat & a filthy mind...;D

To your other point: Leolist is a paid advertiser here. If they're sincerely taking input on how best to make the site legitimate & of VALUE to the true independent & legitimate agency SPs who pay to advertise (AND IT ISN'T INEXPENSIVE, FELLAS!), they might do well to look at some of your suggestions. Why not put them in the thread Leolist has up about their new directory? As for what pooners can do to stop it? Flag every ad from every scammer; walk away from every bait & switch, EVERY time, no matter how insistent the Dude That Lives in Your Pants is being about the affair; finally, contribute to the community by sharing the knowledge of who to see & who to avoid in order to keep everyone safe & satisfied...

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

As for what pooners can do to stop it? Flag every ad from every scammer; walk away from every bait & switch, EVERY time, no matter how insistent the Dude That Lives in Your Pants is being about the affair; finally, contribute to the community by sharing the knowledge of who to see & who to avoid in order to keep everyone safe & satisfied...

That is the best way to start Erica, and to where papacito has a good point is the overwhelming amount of fake pics in the ads. Not to mention false advertising as to services rendered. My biggest peeve about LL is the fake pictures that most asian gals put out there. God could you imagine if they all posted real pics even hiding their faces?

90% of them would not get a single customer because they are all aunties.
How long I've been frustrated with LL and have had to walk after arriving and seeing the girl. Total disgrace that they try and lure you in that way. Some of those gals I wouldn't even pic up at a bar with beer
goggles on let alone pay them for services.
Sure you get the odd gem. But wow, far and few between and LL has been this way for a very long long time.

So you just kinda get used to the fact that its going to be a roll of the dice when you venture out and like you said Erica
you can't let the little guy rule the decision on staying or not. One other thing and this really pisses me off is when you
do call to ask a few questions about the girl what do they say? Oh yes very cute girl same girl in picture, excellent service and good price. ALLLLL BULLSHIT!!!.

Walk my friend, walk and tell them your pissed off for wasting your time money and gas.

Oh, where can I find this thread,

Why not put them in the thread Leolist has up about their new directory?

Thanks all.




.........................QM'r

 

[burcs]

Leolist ads may be a scam, but Leolist isn't offering a service to you. Their direct clients are those who pay for putting up ads. If the ad doesn't satisfy you then simple economics says you shouldn't see those girls. You think to yourself "these ads are so fake why would anyone see them"... well they wouldn't be up if they didn't have a constant stream of suckers going to them. If one guy gets 'scammed' then the next time he won't. People don't need reviews to avoid shit like this. It shouldn't require a few months of research to figure out which girls/ads are legit or not. I think this entire topic is a non-starter TBH.

Prices are over the top for anything decent though Vancouver doesn't strike as a wealthy place at all - wages are quite low, and majority of the local population seem to live in poverty or borderline at best. Lots of girls are trashy looking and seem to lack any class, though still asking premium price. Anything affordable is beyond any criticism: some ugly, fat, old broads who should be ashamed of publicly displaying their bodies, and who should be paying gigolos to fuck them rather than expecting to get paid. There is no place to leave a review on Leolist, so scammers can easily defraud as many clients as they want to unless someone is lucky enough to find a review on this forum. SP's blogs on this forum are kind of more informative, but most are grossly overpriced. Why should quality sex be so unaffordable and hard to find? What is the reason?

Seems like we can't go a week without someone complaining about pricing. Pooning in Vancouver is UNREGULATED (economist dream come true), so pricing is pretty much exactly where it should be unless you think SPs are meeting up and colluding to keep price high. If you think it's too expensive then chances are that means she's too expensive for you, but not someone else. If she feels like she can't make enough money at that price then maybe she'll lower it, but I'm not sure on what authority you're able to dictate the prices as being 'over the top for anything decent'. If I make seven figures and get maximum enjoyment from the $300+/hr ladies can I consider pooning in Vancouver cheap then? You call Leolist ads fraud... I call it market correction.

My take on Leolist ads: they are what they are. There's a cost of entry (ie. getting scammed the first time) but using Leolist properly isn't exactly rocket science. Verified ads barely help IMO, as there's no nudity allowed and they're generally poor in quality compared to non-verified pics from an obviously reputable provider. All the other garbage that Leolist provides like "VIP" or "pink ad" or whatever the flavor of the fucking month is, is absolute trash as they're just another tool for keeping scammers in the game. All the legit advertisers know they're better off using that money to bump their ads instead and keep themselves on the first page.

 

[northvan10]

Oh, where can I find this thread,

Why not put them in the thread Leolist has up about their new directory?​

I'm thinking this is the thread Erica is referring to:

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?233995-LeoList-Directory-90-Verified-Profiles-and-counting!

But, we cannot post to threads in the Directories forum.

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

Thanks NV10,

Well, so much for voicing an opinion to Leolist. :smash:






.........................QM'r

 

[escapefromstress]

Thanks NV10,

Well, so much for voicing an opinion to Leolist. :smash:






.........................QM'r

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?233814-Backpage-vs-LL

 

[westwoody]

Pooning in Vancouver is UNREGULATED (economist dream come true), so pricing is pretty much exactly where it should be

Prices are neither too high nor too low.
Adam Smith's Invisible Hand places them exactly where they should be.

And really... Where the fuck does this recurrent idea that sex should be affordable come from? That is just plain idiotic.

 

[escapefromstress]

Prices are neither too high nor too low.
Adam Smith's Invisible Hand places them exactly where they should be.

And really... Where the fuck does this recurrent idea that sex should be affordable come from? That is just plain idiotic.

Yep. For a lot of people, sex is considered a 'luxury'.

 

[Caramel]

Just use reverse image search on google to see if a pic is fake, Asians are almost always fake, even their "real" sign photos are fraudulent sometimes. But even lots of perb members here will still patronize their business, a few members here don't care about fake pics, they think that the photo will resemble the girl in most cases. That's why girls still do it, and some of them say they do it for discretionary purposes, but who knows.

And no one can help you if you're not willing to pay a premium for an insanely hot girl who cares about service, sorry, but this isn't Thailand or the Philippines, there aren't enough desperate Vancouver girls here willing to fuck random strangers, multiples of them, for less than 300 dollars an hour. They would barely get by if they were charging 100 dollars an hour, and would be worked to death from seeing many clients daily, why would they still want to live in poverty or borderline if they are choosing to sell their bodies? At least if a woman chooses to sell her body for her income, she should be living comfortably, in my opinion (unless shes a druggy then that's a different story). Maybe most of them are on drugs? Maybe that's why they choose to do this, and don't care at all about service? Who knows, it seems to me you'd be happier in South east Asia where you can take advantage of their impoverished situation, and get cheap sex with young desperate (but hot) girls. Society doesn't like this profession, they don't approve of this lifestyle, so of course there is going to be a premium placed on value and lots of discretion, like no face pics etc, and on LL you aren't allowed to post explicit information about services, its against their policy because it's against the law (bill c 36).

 

[Damaged]

After researching the pooning scene in Vancouver for a few months I'm absolutely shocked and horrified. I can't believe it's for real: the main source of ads - Leolist is pretty much a scam: most of ads are total fraud with fake pics, others don't provide the essential info including pricing, services provided and body stats. Those few pics which are not fake are mostly lame, sometimes to a degree that it's hard to make an informed decision. Prices are over the top for anything decent though Vancouver doesn't strike as a wealthy place at all - wages are quite low, and majority of the local population seem to live in poverty or borderline at best. Lots of girls are trashy looking and seem to lack any class, though still asking premium price. Anything affordable is beyond any criticism: some ugly, fat, old broads who should be ashamed of publicly displaying their bodies, and who should be paying gigolos to fuck them rather than expecting to get paid. There is no place to leave a review on Leolist, so scammers can easily defraud as many clients as they want to unless someone is lucky enough to find a review on this forum. SP's blogs on this forum are kind of more informative, but most are grossly overpriced. Why should quality sex be so unaffordable and hard to find? What is the reason?

Strangely, general public is OK with those sub-standard 'services': pooners on this forum are routinely involved in immature discussions about fake pics and scam SPs, and don't mind spending their hard earned money patronizing obvious fraud instead of boycotting it altogether. Lots of SPs don't seem to have a clue about male sexuality and why men actually go to escorts: they seem to think that men are like dogs, and all they need is to insert a cock into some hole and cum - at least many escort ads lead to this sad conclusion. As a result SPs tend to overestimate themselves: they believe that having a pussy is sufficient to warrant a premium price, and this fact alone has such a tremendous value that nothing else really matters and can be simply disregarded.

Seriously, WTF is going on and why?

Papcito, can you tell us what markets in Canada or North America meet your standard of value and quality advertising options?

 

[escapefromstress]

Papcito, can you tell us what markets in Canada or North America meet your standard of value and quality advertising options?

Most guys seem really happy with Montreal rates. The Toronto pooners go nuts over Montreal's reasonable rates.

 

[Warl0ck]

Most guys seem really happy with Montreal rates. The Toronto pooners go nuts over Montreal's reasonable rates.

Well that's comparing apples to oranges. The cost of living in Montreal is exceptionally cheap compared to Toronto. A downtown condo is affordable and rent is even cheaper as is electricity. But, on the flip side taxes are much higher in Quebec. The cost of your vehicle registration can be $400 a year. Taxes on high income earners are higher than in Ontario. Go check out the forums comparing living in Gatineau QC versus Ottawa Ont. Toronto pooners might not go nuts if they took a job in Montreal and had their salary slashed and their taxes increase 4 grand a year.