Poll -- Liberal or Conservative

[Herb_The_Perb]

Who wil you vote for in the next national election?

 

[panzer-jager911]

Green party

 

[dbrw42]

I voted for the Communist party last time, not sure this time. Here in the cradle of the old Reform party, they're going to elect a Conservative no matter what I do.

 

[Ilovethemall]

all you liberals

Unbeleeeeeeeeeeevable, all the people that say they will vote Liberal - if you are so willing to have these fuckers steal from you, just give me the money, I will put it to way better use that those asslicking cocksuckers.

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

In retrospect, I see that this was not a very well designed poll.
I should have provided more choices, but was unfamiliar with the other parties.
Would someone better versed in Canadian politics like to start a more detailed poll? -- Be my guest.

 

[dittman]

it seems like you canucks will have another minority govt. after the next elections.

 

[Discombobbled]

Conservative.

We need a positive change.

We need fiscal responsibility.

We need accountability from Ottawa.

We need less government.

We need to put Jean Chretien in jail. (Okay, that would be a bonus )

No other party can deliver this.

A protest vote for the Greens or the NDP is a waste. We need to stand up and say no to the Liberals. Electing the only other party with a chance to win is the only way to do this.

For once, we need to have balls and do the right thing. We can't afford to be scared by liberal media claims of "hidden agendas"......

The only message that we can send is to put the Liberals in opposition. The only way to do this is to elect Conservatives.

What kind of positive change are you speaking of? A return to the supposed 'golden age' of the 1950s when the majority of the population deferred their own judgement to those in power and regularly attended Sunday mass for fear of ostracization? It's 2005, I prefer to remain in this century. I hold no delusions of the 'golden age' these mean spirited, self centred folk believe they can re-create.

What sort of fiscal responsibility are you speaking of? The type that is designed to provide more wealth to corporations and the rich, justified under the trickle down theory of economics? The gap between rich and poor has consistently continued to widen under this completely flawed economic theory and the Conservatives clearly embrace it. The greedy and selfish may think they have some devine right to opulence on the backs of others, but a good number of voters disagree.

What sort of accountability are you speaking of? The kind that comes from a party that doesn't have any type of developed platform? Take a look at their website, they make alot of claims for change but there is no explanation how such changes will be achieved. Should voters just defer and trust that they have some comprehensive plan?

We need less government? Government has been reduced dramatically under the Liberals and the cost to contract with the private sector to provide the same services far exceeds what it cost when it was public.

Why shouldn't I be concerned about 'hidden agendas'? I clearly remember the lunatic fringe that still remains in the Conservative party. The fact that Harper has managed to shut them up for the time being doesn't mean they don't have an agenda and that they won't act on that agenda if they gain power. Or should voters just defer and trust that there is no 'hidden agenda'?

I don't much like or trust any of the parties or their leaders, but I dislike and distrust that shifty-eyed, insincere leader of the Conservatives most of all.

 

[stryker]

I clearly remember lunatic fringe
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That's a good song

 

[therealrex]

That's a good song

It was the theme song in the movie Vision Quest great fucking movie!

 

[RDangerfield]

What To Do

1) I am not a big Martin fan.
2) Harper is a bozo with a great lust for power and doesn't give a rat's ass what he has to do to obtain it.
3) Layton is a reasonable and repectable guy who has no chance of forming a government.

I gotta go with Martin and the Liberals - better the devil you know than the devil you don't know.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

Unbeleeeeeeeeeeevable, all the people that say they will vote Liberal - if you are so willing to have these fuckers steal from you, just give me the money, I will put it to way better use that those asslicking cocksuckers.

FFS. Angry are we?
They got caught. I doubt that a Conservative or NDP govt. would ever consider trying to pull off anything that even resembles a sponsorship scandal should they get voted in. Ask yourself this. How many sponsorship scandals have there been that didn't get found out? You don't fuckin' know, and likely never will. So get over it. It's the nature of politics. Politicians as a species are a step below lawyers. Hell, a crapload of the fuckers have law degrees!
So tell us. Who do you suggest, if the Liberals are such a bad choice? Who are you voting for? And why?
What has the Liberal govt. done politically that is a bad thing? This country is in a better situation economically than I think I have ever seen it in my life. Don't fix it if it aint broke.
Perhaps when you go to the polls and look at the ballot, and put a little 'X' under the Liberal candidate, just look at it this way. The sponsorship fiasco was simply a performance bonus for puting the country in the great position it is currently in.

 

[HankQuinlan]

I don't get the ANGER -- Mulroney's band was just as greedy if not more so; what do you expect from politicians? For every group of people that have a chance to dip in the cookie jar when no one is looking, the same percentage will take advantage of it.

Or is it "Oh, us poor Westerners; we never run the government; we're only the richest people in the country with the lowest taxes; we're so fucked by those eastern bastards" ????

The deal killer for me is still Iraq. If Harper had been in power, we'd have licked Bush's ass and joined in. I would never vote for that particular smarmy git; that was simply too big of an error in judgement --- one the Liberals, at least, did not make.

 

[Evan]

bartender exposes people with low IQ

A man enters a bar and orders a drink. The bar has a robot bartender.

The robot serves him a perfectly prepared cocktail, and then asks him, "What's your IQ?"

The man replies "150" and the robot proceeds to make conversation about global warming factors, quantum physics and spirituallity, biomimicry, environmental interconnectedness, string theory and nano-technology.

The customer is very impressed and thinks, "This is really cool." He decides to test the robot. He walks out of the bar, turns around, and comes back in for another drink. Again, the robot serves him the perfectly prepared drink and asks him, "What's your IQ?"

The man responds, "about a 100."

Immediately the robot starts talking, but this time, about football, NASCAR, baseball, supermodels, favorite fast foods, guns, and snowmobiles.

Really impressed, the man leaves the bar and decides to give the robot one more test. He heads out and returns, the robot serves him and asks, "What's your IQ?"

The man replies, "Er, 50, I think."

And the robot says... real slowly... "So............... ya gonna vote for the Federal Liberals again?"

 

[dirtydan]

Conservative.

We need a positive change.

How are Stephen Harper and the Conservatives a positive change? They have been very negative all year.

We need fiscal responsibility.

Can you tell us which was the last time a federal Conservative government had a balanced budget? How many balanced budgets have the Liberals given the country just in the last 12 years?

We need accountability from Ottawa.

Such as what?

We need less government.

Why?

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We need to put Jean Chretien in jail. (Okay, that would be a bonus )

That will only happen if Mulroney ends up in jail as well.

No other party can deliver this.

What has the Conservatives given the country?

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A protest vote for the Greens or the NDP is a waste. We need to stand up and say no to the Liberals. Electing the only other party with a chance to win is the only way to do this.

So what you're saying to other people is conform or else.

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For once, we need to have balls and do the right thing. We can't afford to be scared by liberal media claims of "hidden agendas"......

What is this liberal media? Is this just a crackpot term imported from the US? If there is liberal media then how about providing the names of these media outlets. If a liberal bias is bad, so would a conservative bias be also as bad?

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The only message that we can send is to put the Liberals in opposition. The only way to do this is to elect Conservatives.

What's so great about the Conservatives? All they have done since the last election is tell everyone over and over and over again that they are not Liberals. Why have the Conservatives been so cowardly in presenting their policies? Especially since they had a policy convention in March.

 

[dirtydan]

it seems like you canucks will have another minority govt. after the next elections.

I think so. I'll go as far to say that when all is said and done that the seat totals for each party will not be all that different from last year's election results.

 

[dirtydan]

A man enters a bar and orders a drink. The bar has a robot bartender.

The robot serves him a perfectly prepared cocktail, and then asks him, "What's your IQ?"

The man replies "150" and the robot proceeds to make conversation about global warming factors, quantum physics and spirituallity, biomimicry, environmental interconnectedness, string theory and nano-technology.

The customer is very impressed and thinks, "This is really cool." He decides to test the robot. He walks out of the bar, turns around, and comes back in for another drink. Again, the robot serves him the perfectly prepared drink and asks him, "What's your IQ?"

The man responds, "about a 100."

Immediately the robot starts talking, but this time, about football, NASCAR, baseball, supermodels, favorite fast foods, guns, and snowmobiles.

Really impressed, the man leaves the bar and decides to give the robot one more test. He heads out and returns, the robot serves him and asks, "What's your IQ?"

The man replies, "Er, 50, I think."

And the robot says... real slowly... "So............... ya gonna vote for the Federal Liberals again?"

A golden oldie. Seems like every election this joke comes out but with the parties switched around depending on who is the government.

 

[The Copulator]

voting for a third party is never a waste

I have always voted for the NDP. It's where my politics are. I'm a bleeding heart socialist who believes in equality for all, even the very fringes of society, and a strong social safety net for everyone. Taxes are the price of civilization (compare the USA with Scandinavia.) It's true we need a change, and while I don't want the Liberals back in power, I will not vote for the Conservatives, it's not what I believe. My MP is NDP, and I hope he returns.

Vote for what you believe, not to get the other party out.

 

[dbrw42]

The deal killer for me is still Iraq. If Harper had been in power, we'd have licked Bush's ass and joined in. I would never vote for that particular smarmy git; that was simply too big of an error in judgement --- one the Liberals, at least, did not make.

Doesn't matter who's in power, we never would have sent troops to Iraq for the simple fact we don't have enough troops to send. During the first Gulf War, when the Canadian military was at 85,000, to send a brigade would have meant taking every combat soldier in Canada, pulling everybody out of our NATO commitments, pulling everybody out of all UN peacekeeping missions, and calling up every reservist in the country to active duty. And there would have been nobody left for another six months until a new batch of troops could be trained to replace any casualties. And to top it off, the Americans would have refused our troops anyway as our supply requirements for spares would have required a separate supply system (although the Americans did offer to outfit the brigade with brand new Abrams tanks and Bradley APC's for pennies on the dollar.)Today, I believe there is less than 60,000 troops. The military doesn't have the bodies to get involved in Iraq.

 

[James]

Actually, we have far less than 60,000 "troops".

The 60k refers to the number of regulars in the combined Army, Navy, and Air Forces. There's about an equal number of reservists (I think).

National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa has thousands (apparently about 10% of the total regular force) assigned to it.

Take away the supply clerks, cooks, pilots, sailors, administrators, etc, and we'd be hard pressed to say that we have 5000 "troops" that we can send anywhere. When you need about 3-4 in reserve for every 1 on deployment, it ain't rocket science to figure out about how many we can deploy at any given time.

That's if we can rent enough airplanes from the Yanks and the Russians to get them there.

 

[dittman]

Actually, we have far less than 60,000 "troops".

The 60k refers to the number of regulars in the combined Army, Navy, and Air Forces. There's about an equal number of reservists (I think).

National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa has thousands (apparently about 10% of the total regular force) assigned to it.

Take away the supply clerks, cooks, pilots, sailors, administrators, etc, and we'd be hard pressed to say that we have 5000 "troops" that we can send anywhere. When you need about 3-4 in reserve for every 1 on deployment, it ain't rocket science to figure out about how many we can deploy at any given time.

That's if we can rent enough airplanes from the Yanks and the Russians to get them there.

that is sad guys so much for equal partners.