Platforms and Propaganda

[steven69]

How can they possibly afford that?

Good question, what will he cut to pay for this? many Canadians do not trust Harper and what is considered as the "hidden agenda" of ultra conservitive ideas.

Cutting the GST does nothing to reduce the costs associated with basic needs for survival, food and a roof over your head (groceries, rent and mortgage payments are GST exempt). This is not about saving but about encouraging consumption.

 

[Cock Throppled]

How can they possibly afford that?

Hello? Haven't you noticed the surpluses? That is YOUR money the government overcharged you. There is plenty of room for tax cuts - no matter what form they take.

 

[Discombobbled]

Hello? Haven't you noticed the surpluses? That is YOUR money the government overcharged you. There is plenty of room for tax cuts - no matter what form they take.

So these tax cuts you speak of amount to what, $2.00 a week?

 

[kafka555]

How can they possibly afford that?

Federal Surplus = 9 billion

GST collected = 26 billion less 12 billion rebates/refunds = 14 billion

One percent reduction = 1/7 x 14b = 2 billion

Amount left over = 7 billion

All figures are approximations

 

[Cali Scott]

Federal Surplus = 9 billion

GST collected = 26 billion less 12 billion rebates/refunds = 14 billion

One percent reduction = 1/7 x 14b = 2 billion

Amount left over = 7 billion

All figures are approximations

We were sitting on a HUGE surplus ourselves just a few short years ago before Bush got ahold of it. Now it's been transformed into a 400+ billion a year deficit. Same thing happened to California. Are these real funds or just credit on a balance sheet somewhere in Ottowa?

Our economy is poised to go down the shitter and it'll probably have a huge effect on Canada when it does(?).

 

[aznboi9]

5. put all doctors on salary -- starting the day they get into medical school. if they take off for the US, their 'salary' converts to 'student loan' and they are on the hook for the whole amount.

What do you mean when you say you'd convert their salary to a student loan?

 

[dittman]

We were sitting on a HUGE surplus ourselves just a few short years ago before Bush got ahold of it. Now it's been transformed into a 400+ billion a year deficit. Same thing happened to California. Are these real funds or just credit on a balance sheet somewhere in Ottowa?

Our economy is poised to go down the shitter and it'll probably have a huge effect on Canada when it does(?).

since bushes tax cuts revenues up 14%, unemployment at historic low of 5%(under clinton this was considered the benchmark for full emploment but under bush the mainstream media and liberals have of course moved the goal post back.) housing market still booming, corporations flush with cash investing it, on new equipment, consumer confidence up, 3.8% gdp growth rate, most countries wish that their economies were in the shitter like that. The only bad news is the growth rate of the defecit. the congress has to start slashing it and surly they can find things to cut when your talking about a budget over a trillion dollars.

 

[Discombobbled]

since bushes tax cuts revenues up 14%, unemployment at historic low of 5%(under clinton this was considered the benchmark for full emploment but under bush the mainstream media and liberals have of course moved the goal post back.) housing market still booming, corporations flush with cash investing it, on new equipment, consumer confidence up, 3.8% gdp growth rate, most countries wish that their economies were in the shitter like that. The only bad news is the growth rate of the defecit. the congress has to start slashing it and surly they can find things to cut when your talking about a budget over a trillion dollars.

As of today the U.S. debt is $8, 112, 918, 246, 424.56 Yes 15 digits. Ain't it great??

 

[Cali Scott]

since bushes tax cuts revenues up 14%, unemployment at historic low of 5%(under clinton this was considered the benchmark for full emploment but under bush the mainstream media and liberals have of course moved the goal post back.) housing market still booming, corporations flush with cash investing it, on new equipment, consumer confidence up, 3.8% gdp growth rate, most countries wish that their economies were in the shitter like that. The only bad news is the growth rate of the defecit. the congress has to start slashing it and surly they can find things to cut when your talking about a budget over a trillion dollars.

Yeah, they just went through a round of "budget cutting" here last month and it was pretty hopeless. The overall picture looks great on paper but the budget deficit and national debt is under-calculated and actually MUCH higher than reported. One of the major factors in this is that they count the entitlement programs in to the plus column and not into the negative column. The *ONLY* reason that we still have an economy is because the dollar is the world standard (for now) and people buy our Treasury bonds.

The housing market is ALL that is keeping the plate spinning IMHO and sales are slowing down. Credit card debt is at an all time high as are bankruptcy filings. There's not really anything manufactured here anymore (compared to 20 years ago). Based on Gold prices we're probably heading for a mild inflationary condition.

I think that I tossed the magazine but I had a McClean's from June 2005 or November 2004 that talked about the real numbers associated with our debt.

 

[dittman]

out of the last approx. 40 years the u.s. has run a budget surplus i beleave 2 times. not a whole lot to brag about. the latest round was suppose to slash 53 billion from the budget. It came to about2% of the total budget. 2 frigging %. the dems were running around around saying that all these programs were going to be cut that helped the needy and children. hell the programs werent going to be cut, all they were going to do was slow the rate of growth. actual money spent was going to be larger then what they spent last year. tom delay said before he got his ass in a bind that there was no room for budget cuts. I beleave it was lonelyghost that said in this thread we get what we deserve. ill second that.

 

[georgebushmoron]

We were sitting on a HUGE surplus ourselves just a few short years ago before Bush got ahold of it. Now it's been transformed into a 400+ billion a year deficit.

And let's not forget the huge pan-Asian bail out earlier this year - when China and Japan bought billions of dollars of US bonds at the begging, and I do mean begging, of my namesake Dubya.

Our economy is poised to go down the shitter and it'll probably have a huge effect on Canada when it does(?).

More and more US debt is being exported to China. All it will mean is that the US economy will appear to be keeping afloat but in reality it is being financed by China, which means the US will be indebted to China with large capital assets. Unlike previous debts to foreigners, however, China is the largest bank for the foreseeable future and the US will not be able to dishonor its debt for yet another creditor this time. But as long as China gains by being the US's financier (it used to be Japan) everything will seem ok. Despite all the rhetoric, the two economies are irrevocably tied together. The only thing that will separate them is US reaction to massive Chinese rearmament because then the US cannot force the creditor to give it more money.

 

[dittman]

i agree with you gbm, wouldnt it be great that if americans only bought american.india and china s economy would be in the shitter, the european countries would be back in the dark ages and the canucks would really have reason to hate us.

what gripes your ass the most gbm is that the u.s. is doing so well under the leadership of your namesae. trust me when i say none of the other countries are going to do anything to disrupt the economic house of the u.s.

its a statement of fact we are the economic engine that drives the world economies. if the people in the u.s started to buy made in america every country in the world would suffer including the u.s

 

[Cali Scott]

i agree with you gbm, wouldnt it be great that if americans only bought american.india and china s economy would be in the shitter, the european countries would be back in the dark ages and the canucks would really have reason to hate us.

At least we don't really have to worry about being in WWIII with India.

what gripes your ass the most gbm is that the u.s. is doing so well under the leadership of your namesae. trust me when i say none of the other countries are going to do anything to disrupt the economic house of the u.s.

its a statement of fact we are the economic engine that drives the world economies. if the people in the u.s started to buy made in america every country in the world would suffer including the u.s

The Euro is coming on strong. Our powerbase is of course, the dollar which seems to be petering out. Other countries that have invested in the dollar won't let it die just yet but the migration to the Euro for many countries is going strong and fast and will continue for the forseeable future.

 

[georgebushmoron]

what gripes your ass the most gbm is that the u.s. is doing so well under the leadership of your namesae.

It is??? Why then are most Republicans manoeuvering to get rid of Dubya? Why are they backing up McCain? Why are they so incredibly pissed off about the largest deficit in US history? Why are they asking Dubya if he really is a (fiscal) conservative? Why did America need a massive loan from China and Japan earlier this year, could it have been because the Greenback was about to fall so bad there was going to be a major stock market crash? Why did even Saudi Arabia exchange US dollars for the Euro, now preferring to keep a significant (30%) balance in its reserves? What happened to the social security bill.... did it quietly just go away in embarrassment? Why is there so much public pressure to get out of Iraq, did Dubya fail to convince the American public about his grand vision? Isn't that his job? Why is the second largest contingent (S.Korea) in the "Coalition of the Willful" pulling out HALF their troops without first notifying the White House? Why is there still a security threat from the border with Mexico, after nearly 4 years from 911? Why are American citizens themselves having to step up border security using their own firearms on both the north and south border? Why is there an influential group attempting to lobby the White House to build a physical wall to run all the across the Mexican border? Why are they also considering a wall with Canada? Why is Bush's immigration policy such a threat to Homeland Security... terrorist operatives keep getting immigration status?

Now I know all this won't make any difference to what you think of your hero and savior, but some of us tend to open our eyes to the facts.

 

[Cali Scott]

It is??? Why then are most Republicans manoeuvering to get rid of Dubya? Why are they backing up McCain? Why are they so incredibly pissed off about the largest deficit in US history? Why are they asking Dubya if he really is a (fiscal) conservative? Why did America need a massive loan from China and Japan earlier this year, could it have been because the Greenback was about to fall so bad there was going to be a major stock market crash? Why did even Saudi Arabia exchange US dollars for the Euro, now preferring to keep a significant (30%) balance in its reserves? What happened to the social security bill.... did it quietly just go away in embarrassment? Why is there so much public pressure to get out of Iraq, did Dubya fail to convince the American public about his grand vision? Isn't that his job? Why is the second largest contingent (S.Korea) in the "Coalition of the Willful" pulling out HALF their troops without first notifying the White House? Why is there still a security threat from the border with Mexico, after nearly 4 years from 911? Why are American citizens themselves having to step up border security using their own firearms on both the north and south border? Why is there an influential group attempting to lobby the White House to build a physical wall to run all the across the Mexican border? Why are they also considering a wall with Canada? Why is Bush's immigration policy such a threat to Homeland Security... terrorist operatives keep getting immigration status?

Now I know all this won't make any difference to what you think of your hero and savior, but some of us tend to open our eyes to the facts.

Bravo! Well put GBM.

My buddy callled me the other day from up there saying that they got a major Al Queda operative in Richmond, B.C. Anyone hear about that? Nothing in the media here.

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

if the people in the u.s started to buy made in america every country in the world would suffer including the u.s

Of all the amazing things that dittman has written on this board, this is the most amazing of all.
I wonder how he makes his living.

Meanwhile, a plea on behalf of dittman to all Americans on the board:
DO NOT BUY ANYTHING MADE IN THE US -- IT WILL DESTROY THE US ECONOMY !!!

 

[Ilovethemall]

Richmond

Cali - they tracked him and confirmed that he had been living in Richmond....but he was long gone by the time the feds came knocking.