Pitbull discussion

[CaraClementine]

The vet and my dog trainer both say that when she matures, she will be capable of breaking skin Apparently, her aggression isn't something she is going to grow out of

It's unlikely that she will ever be around kids... as I make a point of avoiding them! lol She could break skin... but not maul someone. Chihuahuas are strong willed... but not known to be so aggressive In cases like mine... have wonder where the dog gets it from. Seems to me that it started when I bought her a wardrobe! lol

There ought to be tighter regulation of who gets to own pitbulls. Good screening process... etc.

 

[festealth]

There ought to be tighter regulation of who gets to own pitbulls. Good screening process... etc.

I totally agree with the screening process. Not only that, owners of "more potentially dangerous" breeds should automatically take dog training courses approved by the city or some reputable places. Though doggie lessons should be mandatory to any new owners.

As with off-leash areas, I usually have my little toy dog run around amok, but when he starts showing some aggressions to larger dogs or vice-versa (he's not neutered), I immediately place him back on-leash... apparently a concept people find offensive sometimes. "Putting a leash on my dog in an off-leash area? The injustice!"

 

[athaire]

I totally agree with the screening process. Not only that, owners of "more potentially dangerous" breeds should automatically take dog training courses approved by the city or some reputable places. Though doggie lessons should be mandatory to any new owners.

I couldn't agree with you more. In fact based on my own experience with dogs I think that mandatory courses for any new dog owner is a wonderful idea. It will ensure that they realize all the challenges involved with animal ownership and it would also serve to show the public at large that any owners of the more infamous breeds were indeed aware and then in my opinion "more" legally responsible for the actions of their animals.

As with off-leash areas, I usually have my little toy dog run around amok, but when he starts showing some aggressions to larger dogs or vice-versa (he's not neutered), I immediately place him back on-leash... apparently a concept people find offensive sometimes. "Putting a leash on my dog in an off-leash area? The injustice!"

I have heard of stories of Pitbulls in offleash areas of dog parks and I have also seen many many examples of smaller breeds running amok in the park. I agree with you that "just because it is an off leash area doesn't mean they necessarily should be offleash" especially if misbehaving.....

Merry Christmas.....

 

[A.U.D.R.E.Y]

As with off-leash areas, I usually have my little toy dog run around amok, but when he starts showing some aggressions to larger dogs or vice-versa (he's not neutered), I immediately place him back on-leash... apparently a concept people find offensive sometimes. "Putting a leash on my dog in an off-leash area? The injustice!"

I hear you. Just because a dog is small, doesn't mean that the rules do not apply.

My dogs (for the most part) are very well behaved but when we are at an off leash park I have put both of them back on their leash & have taken them home due to misbehaving .

Owners are still required to be in control of their dog(s) at all times, especially off leash parks.

In my experience, its about 50/50 most of the time, which is frustrating .

 

[TheGuy]

First let me say that I am no expert on dogs.


The difference with Pitbulls and similar breeds is that they have been specifically designed to fight. That is their nature. Train all you want a dog CANNOT get past it's nature. Dogs do not have free will - once triggered they will attack - the individual dog does not have a choice. Also the design or their jaw structure makes their bites worse than other breeds and their fight-to-death breeding means that they will not stop once triggered.

I remember seeing a television program on a lion trainer. He had worked with this one lion for more than 10 years (since a kitten) but said that he always had to watch it carefully that the "play" did not trigger an attack. He said once lion is triggered it would kill him - the cat had no choice in the matter.

These people who own Pitbulls are always saying that their dog is so peaceful until it rips someone's face off. These animals were not bred to be pets - they are designs for more than one hundred years to kill.

If you want a pet buy a Lab.

 

[mclovin76]

i could b considered that latin american drug dealer type with attack dogs but im not. i own 2 pitties and im spanish and they are such lovable creatures, their ownly fault is extreme loyalty to their death wich makes them dangerous to anyone who means their owner harm. They are by far the strongest toughest breed ive seen and ive owned 10 different breeds of dogs from rhodesian ridgebacks ( lion hunting dogs ) to police dogs( shepperds ) trained to attack, my grandpa trained military shepperds. The pitbull breed is so soft and gentle towards its owner and friends, and is very loyal. But when a stranger approaches they do not take them into their pack until properly introduced, and that goes for people as well not just other dogs. People need to realize that these dogs are extremely pack oriented and people who invade their space can b in harms way not because they dislike anyone or everyone but because of they unbelievable loyalty to their owners who are not there to welcome them to the dogs. My advise is to never confront a dog that has no owner, any large breed specially in someone elses property. Once your introduced to the pack ( this includes people ) you will get nothing but kisses and tail wigling and they will now protect you till they die. Proper ownership definatly needs to b enforced for large breed dogs not just pitbulls, as a person with no knowledge of pack training, and being a pack leader with calm assertive energy could by their fault injure someone. In the lower mainland if your dog attacks a person its now considered assault with a weapon as the dog is considered your weapon and your liable for the improper training of a large breed dog. These are beautifull animals with their biggest fault is loving their pack and owners way too much.

 

[mclovin76]

First let me say that I am no expert on dogs.


The difference with Pitbulls and similar breeds is that they have been specifically designed to fight. That is their nature. Train all you want a dog CANNOT get past it's nature. Dogs do not have free will - once triggered they will attack - the individual dog does not have a choice. Also the design or their jaw structure makes their bites worse than other breeds and their fight-to-death breeding means that they will not stop once triggered.

I remember seeing a television program on a lion trainer. He had worked with this one lion for more than 10 years (since a kitten) but said that he always had to watch it carefully that the "play" did not trigger an attack. He said once lion is triggered it would kill him - the cat had no choice in the matter.

These people who own Pitbulls are always saying that their dog is so peaceful until it rips someone's face off. These animals were not bred to be pets - they are designs for more than one hundred years to kill.

If you want a pet buy a Lab.

your the typical idiot, mastiffs have the greates jaw strength and shepperds have the largest percentage of human attacks. shepperds were bred for war, they are dogs of war, as are mastiffs they used to wear body armour and were sent to war to kill other people. Any large breed, is capapble of serious injury to a human, the fact that people have fear when they c a pittbull is the reason why people get bit, its their energy. Pitbulls were not bred for fighting they were originally made to herd bulls, and bite their ankles to control these large animals. It was a group of idiots not unlike yourself who got drunk and decided to watch 2fight and placed bets on them if you really want to c a fighting dog try a rhosedian ridgeback pffffffff they are strong enough to kill lions. I really wish that people could c how afraid of shit they really are, its like they need to b afraid of something and persecute them so that they dont feel afraid anymore till someone else feels afraid of something else. btw pits bulls are now akc certified as a working dog, not a fighting dog.

 

[Stella_Hardon]

Owners are still required to be in control of their dog(s) at all times, especially off leash parks.

In my experience, its about 50/50 most of the time, which is frustrating .

So you have a loaded gun which you have control 50 % of the time ?

Interesting trivia by mclovin76 but he ignores the basic point that pitbulls, shepherds, and rhosedian ridgebacks , mastiffs were bred for specific tasks and these tasks make them dangerous animals. I'm pretty sure the owners of these animals chose that particular pet for those qualities; they are a weapon.

Regardless of the semantics, society should be stomping hard on the owners of "working dogs" ... Heavy payments to victims, immediate destruction of the dogs, owners prevented from getting another dog.

I've seen at least 10 pitbulls in my local parks where the owner didn't have them leashed, their "control" was yelling at the dogs.

There has to be an serious economic consequence to the owner; I'm pretty sure they aren't carrying the costs of the victim.

 

[mclovin76]

like ive posted before the police are now charging the owner with assault with a weapon wich carries jail time if you have a previous offense like assault and it carries a huge fine depending on the judge. My dogs are not allowed in public parks not because they are aggresive but because people do not have their dogs trained properly 99 percent of the time. Working dogs were bred to work for humans, now were making them into pets, it will take some time to get people to realize that working dogs have specific needs, such as alot of exercise and extensive training. A chow chow attacked my 5 moht old puppy and the rest of my pack almost devoured him ( the chow )into pieces, now i cannot trust other owners, so i simply use enclosed parks and ask people to wait till im done wich they do anyways lol, or at private homes. In other countries you must have a course to own these animals and i think that should b implemented here in canada, i really dont like the 18 year old surrey kid with a 70 pound pit bull with no training, this is the problem not the dogs. As soon as people realize that people need to b trained to have these large breeds, and i mean any of them, there wil b persecution of animals that are not at fault but suffer because of their negligent owners. Ive trained many aggressive dogs and with proper exercise and restrictions and love they become wonderfull pets very quickly.

 

[mclovin76]

btw the 3 dogs i have now were spca rescues. I did not get them because of their qualities as dangerous dogs. Why is it ok to destroy a dog but not a human thats commited a violent crime? i dont believe in killing the dog ive re trained alot of aggresive dogs and are very nice pets now. My friends nicknamed me "ceasar" cause i use some of his techniques to retrain people and their pets. Btw in the lower mainland most large breed dogs are required to have a muzzle if off leash, what people can do is to call the spca to fine these people so they can get the message.

 

[A.U.D.R.E.Y]

Owners are still required to be in control of their dog(s) at all times, especially off leash parks.

In my experience, its about 50/50 most of the time, which is frustrating .

So you have a loaded gun which you have control 50 % of the time ?

Perhaps I didn't make my post clear enough .

In my experience, about 50% of the owners have control over their dogs at off leash parks .

As a responsible dog owner I find this very frustrating .

Both my small dogs are well behaved on & off leash, but they are still relatively young (1.5 years & 2 years) & on the odd day that they aren't listening, I take the necessary step & put them back on their leash & take them home .

I wish more owners, regardless of the size of dog, would do this.

 

[Hoe_watch]

the breed of pit bull should be wiped off the face of the earth. it's like owning a gun that happens to poop in your yard.

 

[neverwas]

Anyone buying a pit bull or other large aggressive breed for a pet (not as a working dog) shows a lot about their own psycological make-up.
I have been a dog owner most of my life and generally love dogs, but not dogs that are badly trained or breed for aggressiveness. They represent a threat to the rest of the population, both dogs and people. Small breeds may be annoying some times, but they can't kill you
Why should we have to put up with the risk just become someone needs a big potentialy vicious dog to enhance his or her own ego? Almost all owners act as if their dog was the friendly one, notwithstanding the breed.
I was pleased to see some Provinces ( Ontario) pass legislation to restrict ownership.

 

[mclovin76]

german shepperds have the highest dog to human attack/bite ratio why do you think the cops have them and the military, but you dont c people trying to ban them.

 

[sunnysideup]

Some statistics

2006 U.S. Dog Bite Fatality Statistics
Fatal Dog Attack Statistics
DogsBite.org recorded 30 fatal dog attacks in 2006. The last year the CDC recorded dog bite fatalities by breed was 2001. Due to pressures from animal advocacy groups, dog fancying groups and pit bull special interest groups, the CDC stopped recording these deaths by dog breed. The only other known entity that continues to track this vital information is Animal People News. DogsBite.org has joined in this effort.

2006 Dog Bite Fatalities
30 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2006. Pit bull type dogs were responsible for 53%. Pit bulls make up approximately 2-9% of the US dog population.
The combination of pit bulls (16) and rottweilers (8) accounted for 80% of all fatal attacks.
47% of the attacks occurred to children (11 years and under) and 53% occurred to adults (21 years and older). Of the adults, 17% occurred to ages 55 and older.
53% of fatal attacks in 2006 involved multiple dogs; 13% involved chained dogs.
87% of the attacks occurred on owner property and 13% off owner property. Of the off-property attacks, 100% (4) were attributed to pit bulls.
30% of the victims were female; 70% of the victims were male. Of the male victims, nearly half (10) were 11 years and under.
The state of Texas had the most fatalities (6). Of these fatalities, 67% (4) were attributed to pit bulls and 33% (2) to rottweilers.

http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/08/2006-dog-bite-fatality-statistics.html

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

Anyone buying a pit bull or other large aggressive breed for a pet (not as a working dog) shows a lot about their own psycological make-up.
I .

I have a Giant Red Doberman. He's about 110lbs and was a rescue. He's the sweetest natured dog I have ever seen. Great with kids, people and other dogs. He avoids conflict with other dogs to the umpteenth degree. Hving said that hes very naturally protective around the house and would not allow anyone in until i say its ok. At that point he turns into a puppy and starts bringing them his toys to play with.

I didnt buy him for ego but because he was a sweet dog at the pound that needed a home with an experienced dog owner. Care to elaborate on my psychological make up

All dogs big and small have the potential to be a nightmare. No one should get a dog that unless they are willing to put in the time and energy to look after and properly socialize them. This applies to shitzus and pitbulls alike. Dogs are pack animals and once you establish who the pack leader is everything else is a walk in the park.

the breed of pit bull should be wiped off the face of the earth. it's like owning a gun that happens to poop in your yard.

I used to work with a guy who's son was attacked by their neighbours cocker spaniel. The injuires are not drastically better than these. Should we wipe cockers off too?

 

[Unpossible]

Only one of the pictures below features the real American PitBull Terrier. Take the test to see if you can find it. To find the breed of a dog, click on image. Note there are no mixes or rescue dogs of unknown background who's breed could be debated. All dogs have been picked from breeders' websites and should be good representatives of their breed.

When you are done, ask your family and friends to take to test and watch the results. For many people, a Pit Bull is a a big headed dog, or a dog with cropped ears. For some it's a brindle dog, a big, stocky dog, or one with an eye patch.

Quite often dogs that attack are identified as pit bulls when they are not. There are 20+ breeds that are commonly incorrectly identified as pit bulls. Visit Understand-a-bull for more information.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

 

[mclovin76]

16 funny how similar the presa rhodesian and american bulldog look

 

[festealth]

2006 U.S. Dog Bite Fatality Statistics
2006 Dog Bite Fatalities
30 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2006. Pit bull type dogs were responsible for 53%. Pit bulls make up approximately 2-9% of the US dog population.
The combination of pit bulls (16) and rottweilers (8) accounted for 80% of all fatal attacks.
47% of the attacks occurred to children (11 years and under) and 53% occurred to adults (21 years and older). Of the adults, 17% occurred to ages 55 and older.
53% of fatal attacks in 2006 involved multiple dogs; 13% involved chained dogs.
87% of the attacks occurred on owner property and 13% off owner property. Of the off-property attacks, 100% (4) were attributed to pit bulls.
30% of the victims were female; 70% of the victims were male. Of the male victims, nearly half (10) were 11 years and under.
The state of Texas had the most fatalities (6). Of these fatalities, 67% (4) were attributed to pit bulls and 33% (2) to rottweilers.

That stats are very good. It's still kinda amazing that "everyone" always know someone or of a story relating to dog attack sometimes by Pitbulls and sometimes not, and yet it's only 30 people that are actually killed in the USA. Convert that to Canada, and it's basically half-dozen max per year.

It's odd that there's a study that children (baby animals too), emit a type of hormone or some scent that tells the dog that the being is not an adult and that it should be treated gently, and yet 47% of the attacks are to kids.

Sometimes I wonder when kids do get attacked, what are those little people doing prior to it? Taunting the dog by throwing sticks at them? Poking their eyes with their fingers? Yanking on the dog's tail like a tug-o-war? Even my toy dog sometimes try to bite/attack little kids, but usually after I repeated tell those little brats to stop jumping around and howling right beside the dog.... not just in the area of the dog, but within 10cm from the dog

 

[Stella_Hardon]

In the Vancouver Sun _ April 13 2009

Pit bull rips face of owner’s child 2

A Surrey preschooler is recovering from surgery after the family’s pit bull turned on him, ripping into his face Friday. Justice Paradis, 3, suffered puncture wounds to the face and a 15-centimetre gash near his eye.

According to the family, the dog, named Haze, belongs to the boy's mother and is usually kept on a chain outside.

The boy’s father had inadvertently let the dog run inside the house when it attacked, biting the father as well when he tried to save the child. The dog hasn't attacked anyone before, the family claims.

Surrey RCMP Insp. Steve Wade said the B.C. SPCA is dealing with the incident and there will be no criminal charges.

“I would say the dog is dangerous,” he said.

“It should not be attacking children, or anybody.”

Dog trainer and pit bull owner Shelagh Begg, who heads Hug-A-Bull, an advocacy and rescue society dedicated to the breed, said it’s not a dog’s breed but the environment in which it was raised that makes it volatile.

“These dogs were bred to be human-tolerant. A wellbrought-up pit bull has zero human aggression,” said Begg, whose group led about 20 pit bull owners and their dogs on a short walk in downtown Vancouver on Sunday, as a statement that pit bulls are as pleasant as any other breed when welltrained, stimulated, socialized and exercised.

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Dog's name is HAZE

Time for owners to pay dearly for the breed, another kid has.