PERB election poll

Who are you going to vote for?

  • Liberal

    Votes: 71 30.6%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 79 34.1%
  • NDP

    Votes: 56 24.1%
  • Green

    Votes: 8 3.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 18 7.8%

  • Total voters
    232
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toda1

So as this thread degenerated into a flame war, the topic of "election" was still the subject.
Take a look at the polls which can be pretty wrong but as of today its a virtual dead heat Libs and Tories. If the Liberals figured this was a cakewalk to a majority they fucked this one up royally. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Conservative minority government Sep.21.
This whole election turned into a high stakes poker. It seems like each day, a party raises the stake by promising something bigger than the other party. At this rate, I won't be surprised if NDP or even Liberals promise universal basic income (or indefinite extension of current benefits).
 

LLLurkJ2

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So as this thread degenerated into a flame war, the topic of "election" was still the subject.
Take a look at the polls which can be pretty wrong but as of today its a virtual dead heat Libs and Tories. If the Liberals figured this was a cakewalk to a majority they fucked this one up royally. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Conservative minority government Sep.21.
Otool doesnt have the charisma, not that its important in terms of policy at all, but we tend to vote for "Canadian Idol" in this country.
 

LLLurkJ2

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So Trudeau is promising to cut foreign housebuying for two years..( if elected )

It's curious that he seems to be going after NDP and left voters with this as I don't see property owners liking the idea of possible market cooling nationwide.

On the other hand the policy is mostly empty anyways, as any savy investor could wait the two years and then swoop in for some discounted real estate. It would have to be a permanent ban to have the full intended effect i think.
 
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Amerix

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Care to elaborate? If the Liberals and Conservatives are both showing communist tendencies then what party am I left with to turn too? I'm no expert but when you allow a government to violate civil rights, even if you agree, then what happens when they do the same when you don't? Conservative and Liberal policies may be different but they are a carbon copy of each other when it comes peoples rights. The NDP are the next closest competition. All I have left is hope.
Uh, the NDP are the closest thing to actual communists anyone in this country votes for. Up until a few years ago they still had "government should nationalise most businesses" in their party plan. They still openly advocate wealth confiscation.
 

marsvolta

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Uh, the NDP are the closest thing to actual communists anyone in this country votes for. Up until a few years ago they still had "government should nationalise most businesses" in their party plan. They still openly advocate wealth confiscation.
not quite true. as part of their 2021 convention they identified the auto, banking and telecom sectors as nationalization targets due to their importance in the national economy. that doesn't make them "communists". taxation is "wealth confiscation" and all parties seem to continue to support that. its just whether it should be progressive or regressive taxation.
 

marsvolta

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Otool doesnt have the charisma, not that its important in terms of policy at all, but we tend to vote for "Canadian Idol" in this country.
so true. most voters are pretty fuckin dumb to the nuances of policy and what it means to their existance.
 

licks2nite

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How true. most voters don't understand nuances of policy. If everyone knew corporations would send manufacturing jobs overseas, Canadians would've likely rejected so called "free trade" treaties.
 

Cock Throppled

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O'Toole is a tool, and Jagmeet has shown he's going nowhere, so it shows just how disliked Junior Dressup is, that The Libs and Cons are in an almost dead heat right now.
 

80watts

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Alot of the problems Canadians have is the problems of perspective.
Canada is a country that is very very rich in natural resources.
Mining, Forestry, Fishing, Human Resources (includes Education) and Energy. Canada is an elitist's country, where the top 1% control over 95% of the wealth. Its civil service is elite too, where once about 400 families controlled the civil service.
In Canada the rules for the rich are not the same as for the average or middle class. The middle class is disappearing and its not toward the 1%ters.
Today Canadians are overburdened by High mortgages, High debt load and the increasing likely hood of stagnate wages and opportunities due to gobal economy. The reality is no other country wants our manufactured good, unless it contributes directly to another country manufacturered goods. eg. Cdn car part goes to Mexico for certain truck/car.
Most assembly lines are now can be controlled by computers and robots which can work 24 hours vs 8 hrs for a human.
Any type of material for making stuff is usually imported like metal bars, pipes and tubes, electrical wire and plastic material, causing Cdn manufacturing to be more expensive.

Todays Technology is consumed by people through smart-phones, smart TVs, computers, household appliances. But it is not built in Canada.

Canada in 1900 was a big ship builder.
Now it isn't, the ship building industry in Canada is dead. In WW2 any decent sized city with a shipbuilding company was building Corevettes for the war. By the end of the 1960s, shipbuilding moved to Japan, in 1980 to Korea, Next will be India. Our heaviest industry today is Bombardier, who makes trains.

Canada biggest and best future is in Energy. Hydro-Electric, wind and solar and Nuclear (yeah all those facist anti-nuclear idiots can go fuck themselves) and the oil sands and the arctic and queen charlottes hold alot of oil. And all types of oils means plastic.
https://www.cn.ca/en/our-services/maps-and-network
https://www.cpr.ca/en/choose-rail/network-and-facilities
All railway lines could be converted to solar with lots of back up batteries (lots of new technology coming out for batteries) for a nation wide electrical grid.
High speed electric trains could replace airplanes. The prairie provinces between major cities, southern Ontario, Montreal, Quebec city, to Maritimes big cities.
Air Ships for transport too.

Also within the limits of today's technology and materials is the hydrogen economy. Whether a fuel-cell or direct burning hydrogen engine (gas turbine or ICE with only by product water and heat). The drawback is infrastructure and the populace scare of an hydrogen fire like the Hindenburg. No different now then a propane explosion (BLEVE).

A big concern is Health care and an aging population. More people will be needed to field more nurses, doctors and health care professionals at old age homes. Better service and maintenance at old care homes are needed. A solution would be to fast track immigrants who hold doctor degrees and nursing degrees. Now this I will say is probably inherently protectionist.

The one thing that will effect most Canadians is climate change disasters. Forest Fires, Flooding, Drought, Protection of towns and cities from fires.

A big thing that really could take off is a Recycling Economy. Recycle everything. Cities put aside areas to develop recyling depots to deal with all aspects of recylcing. Especially plastics and metals. This is gonna take enormous planning, knowhow, and determination. It will never take place because all the political parties will drag their feet, in the meantime they are jacking their dicks off, because it sounds good, but in reality they are only jacking their dicks off again and again and again.... repeat about for the next 20 years till its too late.

Another thing to eliminate will be political party cancelling of projects, just to slam it into the oppositions face saying "it was no good". Yet 3 elections later that party that cancelled that project, renames it and starts it from scratch again. Wasting tax payers money while giving no service to the project, which was needed. Kinda like the talk in Victoria BC for the last 40 years about getting a water treatment plant. On again, Off again, on again, off again... etc.

The problem is nobody is willing to pull up their sleeves and get their hands dirty with actual work these days....

Also none of these politcal parties- Liberals, Conservative, NDP, or Greens have the political balls to make Recycling Economy, a Hydrogen Economy, Plan for climate Change disasters (with actual equipment / plans in place) happen. Because they don't have the plans, they are just ideas for now. same goes for their political platforms all words, no substance and in the end will be cancelled by the next electors....

Basicly its shit that has to be done, everyone will bitch and complain, but are not willing to do the fucken work.

The political parties promise the world, but are full of shit.....

pls note: By the end of WW2 ( a mere short 6 years) Germany plundered and stole all available resources in Europe. Pls, also note the Germans used slave labour. Pls, note never to do that.
 
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Mr Quim

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The beautiful Fraser Valley !
This Poll seems to Tracking pretty close to the Reality .
Looks like We're on the Path to another Minority Government, with the NDP playing Policeman again .
Thanks Justin, that looks like Money well spent, on your Powerplay !

Your piss poor Decision to call an Election Mid-Term, shows your true Colours as a supposed Leader .
Grasping at the sensationalistic Straws, probably isn't going to save your Ass now !
Karma has a beautiful way of dishing out sweet Justice . 😉

Mr Q.
 

Jethro Bodine

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After much thought and weighing the options I have decided for the first time in my life (I'm 60) to vote NDP.
I could never vote for that lying, snivelling little twerp Trudeau. I can honestly say that he is the first politician that in all my years, that every time I see him i want to punch him in the face.
I have always voted Conservative. While at times there were certain Conservative policies and attitudes that i may have disagreed with, I always followed of my most basic beliefs. First off, if you work hard, apply yourself and make something of yourself. One should be able to reap the rewards of one's hard work and enjoy a nice life. Redistribution of wealth as economic policy is a Socialist myth and does not work. Especially in a global economy. In other words I like to keep as much of my money as I can and not have the government take it. Secondly, you don't spend more than you have. It doesn't work in your personal life and it doesn't work for a country's economy. I'm not saying that short term deficits in the face of certain situations, like Covid, are not necessary. Just like i occasionally have dipped into my Line of Credit when an unexpected expense arises. But you also focus on getting out of that debt as quickly as possible. You make cuts to your spending until you've balanced your budget. Sure, there are socialist economists who feel deficits and government debt a Paper Tiger is not a danger but I believe the idea that we can continue to burden future generations with unmanageable debt is a road to disaster.
So what's changed. For me it is big issues.
1) The Conservative Party's denial and reluctance to take climate change seriously. Sure they give some lip service to some token initiatives but when they vote at the annual convention, that climate change is not real, I have a huge problem with them at the grass roots level.
2) O'Toole's stance on mandatory Covid vaccines especially within his own caucus. How can you expect to convince the non-vaccinated to get vaccinated when you can't even convince members of your own party to get vaccinated? I'm all for personal freedom but this is not about personal freedom or choice. If you get Covid, you impact 10's if not 100's of others. It's about being a good citizen and doing the right thing for the sake of our society and nation.

So despite my previous comment about government spending and taxes I am going to vote NDP. Aside from fiscal policy they have many things in heir platform I can get behind. I figure that I've survived NDP provincial governments in my lifetime. I would probably survive a NDP federal government. Heck, they can't fuck up the country any worse than the Liberals or the Conservatives have over the last 150 years.
I know they won't win but this time I m voting with my conscience.
Cheers
J

PS: And I'm not looking for anyone to comment on my post or expect me to enter into any kind of a back and forth on my views. I'm just giving you my personal views on things. I'm so tired of the ongoing nonsense of political arguments including all the "What about's".
 
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Crookedmember

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Looks like the polls are starting to shift back to where they were before the election call. If this holds, the CPC could lose a lot of seats and the Liberals could get their majority if some of that NDP support is soft.
Another poll tells us 1 out of 10 2019 CPC voters plan to switch to the PPC.


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dx01993

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If OToole is as progressive as he is promising, I might actually vote for him. The only issue is that his big corp donors might have something to say about that.
 

pleasureprinciple

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None of the above!
Here is why:
If you vote for me i will take money from 'them" and give it to "you"
Any party is promising to rob the bad people "them" and reward the good people "you".
Pandering is not leadership.
And sadly, I find no leadership among any of the current "leaders".
I guess politics, with the gold plate pension, pays better than working at the Circus or in Sherwood Forest.
 
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JimDandy

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Of course he will keep it, been living here for 18 years. NDP has never come even close to a loss here in South Burnaby. I always ask myself why even bother voting heh.
To be clear - YOU SF92 have been living in South Burnaby for 18 years. Singh was parachuted into the South Burnaby riding in 2019 - the incumbent NDP owner of the seat withdrew to make room for Singh. Singh did run for a Federal NDP seat in his native Ontario in 2011, before he had become the leader of the federal NDP party, and lost.

JD
 

pleasureprinciple

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If in
Looks like the polls are starting to shift back to where they were before the election call. If this holds, the CPC could lose a lot of seats and the Liberals could get their majority if some of that NDP support is soft.
Another poll tells us 1 out of 10 2019 CPC voters plan to switch to the PP
Looks like the polls are starting to shift back to where they were before the election call. If this holds, the CPC could lose a lot of seats and the Liberals could get their majority if some of that NDP support is soft.
Another poll tells us 1 out of 10 2019 CPC voters plan to switch to the PPC.


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I find the CBC interactive site current (updated last 18 minutes ago) and very informative as the analysis is in multiple dimensions... particularly showing how the popular vote translates into different seat counts in different regions of the country. Worth a look IMHO.
CBC News Canada Poll Tracker
 
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carvesg

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It looks like Bernier PPC might wreck havoc in the three-way races just enough to give the twit his majority after all .

Who would have have thought about this one 6 weeks ago...it was a long shot but Bernier gets his wish to give Trudeau a majority ...🤔; and the far right as much as they despise "Junior".... they will bring back their social media punch bag for another 4 years.

I'm speculating but the numbers don't look reassuring
 
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