Over 100 fully vaccinated people contract COVID-19 in Washington state, officials say

[Robert Upndown]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/100-f...ontract-covid-19-washington/story?id=76784838

Officials said the so-called breakthrough cases are expected with any vaccine. The majority of the cases had mild symptoms.

Bob

 

[wetnose]

Vaccines by their very nature, don't prevent transmission. They only give the instructions to the body's immune system so that it can mount a defense. So if someone catches it, they won't suffer as much.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Vaccines by their very nature, don't prevent transmission. They only give the instructions to the body's immune system so that it can mount a defense. So if someone catches it, they won't suffer as much.

This is mostly true but it is a bit more complicated.

If you are vaccinated, then as the virus comes into your system, it gets attacked very quickly by your defenses. So if 100 of the little fuckers get into you, within short order most of them, lets say 95 are destroyed.* So yes, you could still transmit but with a much lower probability.

Those vaccinated and still getting the disease are for the most part immune compromised. Their systems are doing what they can but can't mount an adequate defense. Well within standard deviations for this kind of thing.

* disclaimer here - this is an example pulled out of my ass at the moment and would need real work as in using google for a few minutes, to get actual numbers but you all get what I'm putting down here.

 

[Lo-ki]

 

[westwoody]

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“It’s just a flu” eh?

 

[wetnose]

This is mostly true but it is a bit more complicated.

If you are vaccinated, then as the virus comes into your system, it gets attacked very quickly by your defenses. So if 100 of the little fuckers get into you, within short order most of them, lets say 95 are destroyed.* So yes, you could still transmit but with a much lower probability.

Those vaccinated and still getting the disease are for the most part immune compromised. Their systems are doing what they can but can't mount an adequate defense. Well within standard deviations for this kind of thing.

* disclaimer here - this is an example pulled out of my ass at the moment and would need real work as in using google for a few minutes, to get actual numbers but you all get what I'm putting down here.

I agree with this. My point is - vaccines aren't a raincoat which will automatically repel the virus, like how rain rolls off an umbrella. So, a vaccine won't stop transmission. A vaccinated person will catch it if they're exposed to it (as the story proves) BUT they'll be in a far better position to deal with it.

Another analogy: a seatbelt/airbag won't stop an accident from happening, BUT will reduce the worse consequences.

 

[Horn_dawg]

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A year into the pandemic, 980k confirmed cases in Canada and 23k dead, and people still peddle this kind of bull shit stats. If you want to calculate mortality rate base on total population instead of infected population, then you have to compare to flu under the same lock down conditions during the same period. What is the number of deaths due to flu since last March? Compare that to the COVID19 numbers and let's talk.

 

[westwoody]

Not many patients with flu end up on ventilators.

 

[Cwinfield]

Not many patients with flu end up on ventilators.

They actually killed 80% of the people they put on ventilators in the initial stages. This is just a psy op to strip our liberties. If we were in one of the deadliest pandemics in history, there were be unusual changes to mortality and population growth. People have been getting sicker and sicker every year, and dying horrible painful deaths. it's just in the news now. My mom's cancer battle was far worse than what these covid patients are going through.

 

[Horn_dawg]

They actually killed 80% of the people they put on ventilators in the initial stages. This is just a psy op to strip our liberties. If we were in one of the deadliest pandemics in history, there were be unusual changes to mortality and population growth. People have been getting sicker and sicker every year, and dying horrible painful deaths. it's just in the news now. My mom's cancer battle was far worse than what these covid patients are going through.
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I wonder what would have been the fatality rate for those initial group of patients that went on ventilators, if they had not been on ventilators... I hazard a guess of 100%?

I do agree with you, it is next to impossible to convince those prone to conspiracy theories that they have been misled. I won't even try.

 

[Newb808]

It’s probably all lies and fake news but apparently countries with high vaccination rates are rapidly closing Covid wards in hospitals as serious illness rates are dropping off. Also probably a MSM psy op, Brazil is totally &$@!ed but it has nothing to do with the little flu going around down there.

 

[overdone]

“It’s just a flu” eh?

the average year of deaths for the Flu is 15-23/100,000 in Canada

the death rate per 100,000 for Covid is 62 right now

a flu season is 5 months

we've been through 3 flu season equivalents so far

huh?

more deadly?

and the flu has a vaccine, which no one takes, even in bad years, they struggle to get 40% uptake

and once again

unless you don't believe in facts

no one is dying of covid under 60 in any numbers even close to the flu season numbers

in all of Canada, there are only 941 dead under 60

variants, notice they won't say anything about deaths?

old people aren't dying in droves anymore, only young getting infected, not dying

the demographics for deaths still haven't changed for deaths

go to Britain, where the strain has been since last fall, same data, old people still the ones who died

facts, who needs em?

just like the stupidity with speeding

100km in a 80 zone

yet, use MPH, 62.1371mph vs 49.7097mph

even worse when you talk about 50-60-70 even less scary

so use the scary one to fear monger says the anal retentive control freaks

irrational emotions

average age of death in covid, still 80, year on, same as last March/April, and we didn't do anything to protect them

even though they were already locked down, in LTC/Old Folks Homes

so spare us with the concern

clearly it wasn't there ever

for those that really needed it

covid's been a ME, ME, ME movement

when it never really was, it was a old person one

still is

no one cared during the flu, even though it kills in the thousands per year

no one cares about the drug addicts in the last decade, even though it is killing thousands per year

but tell the average idiot they have a chance of dying of covid, even thought they don't

and it's somehow time to impose all the arbitrary restrictions/lockdowns, even though they clearly don't work

facts don't matter, science doesn't matter *(if it did, your idiot Health Officer along with all the others wouldn't be spacing out shots over 4 months, that's pure politics)

reality doesn't matter anymore

irrational emotions do, you got a chance, no, you don't

math, year on, proves it isn't true

 

[Ame123]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

 

[appleomac]

the average year of deaths for the Flu is 15-23/100,000 in Canada

the death rate per 100,000 for Covid is 62 right now

a flu season is 5 months

we've been through 3 flu season equivalents so far

Are there shutdowns and travel restrictions during a normal 5 month flu season? Do people start working from home during a normal 5 month flu season? Can you still go to a gym or find a Timmies full of people in a normal 5 month flu season?

You keep whining about the number of deaths of people under the age of 60 - what would that number be, if LIKE A NORMAL FLU SEASON, THERE WERE NO TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS, LOCKDOWNS/CLOSURES, ETC.? Do you truly believe that number would still be only 941? You look at the number of Covid deaths and look at the number of deaths caused by something else and say "that ain't so different, it's no worse than that something else" - you fail to see (i.e. you ignore the FACT) that you are only comparing the end results (i.e. being results oriented) and are completely ignoring other FACTS (in particular, there are no restrictions in a normal 5 month flu season). 900+ deaths in the 60 and under category, WITH HIGHLY RESTRICTIVE MEASURES is not the same thing as 900+ deaths in the 60 and under category WITH NO RESTRICTIVE MEASURES AT ALL!

Here's a thought experiment for you, take 18 inch thick steel. You take a rifle (let's say .30 cal) and a handgun (let's say 9mm), fire a shot with each at the steel. Neither the rifle round or handgun round penetrates the 18 inch thick steel. Does that mean the rifle and handgun are equally powerful (or weak) because neither the rounds penetrated the steel? The answer would be "no". The steel doesn't determine how powerful the round is. But that's what you are doing comparing normal influenza and Covid - you just aren't smart enough to know that's what you're doing!

 

[g eazy]

The best part is that people are all about the "math" yet have no idea how to interpret data.

People will hear whatever they want to. If they've come this far, there's no changing their minds without an external event.

 

[pleasureprinciple]

"Effective" is a big word without an accurate meaning attached.
Go to the Pfizer web site and read the research documents
Effective meant not dead or in hospital, but you can be moderate or mildly sick or an asymptomatic carrier and still "effective'
94% effective is only relative to the rate without the vaccine, not absolute numbers
So in round numbers for every 15 not vaccinated persons in hospital or dead, 1 with vaccine was in hospital or dead

None of this is going to matter at all if the P10 variant is real, and not a lab artifact.
If it is real, we get to start all over again.
Smile, even if it hurts.

 

[westwoody]

Basic arithmetic:
USA population ~ 328,000,000
Covid deaths ~ 556,000
1/589 dead from covid.
That’s a lot no matter how you spin it.

 

[picante55]

the average year of deaths for the Flu is 15-23/100,000 in Canada

the death rate per 100,000 for Covid is 62 right now

a flu season is 5 months

we've been through 3 flu season equivalents so far

huh?

more deadly?

and the flu has a vaccine, which no one takes, even in bad years, they struggle to get 40% uptake

and once again

unless you don't believe in facts

no one is dying of covid under 60 in any numbers even close to the flu season numbers

in all of Canada, there are only 941 dead under 60

variants, notice they won't say anything about deaths?

old people aren't dying in droves anymore, only young getting infected, not dying

the demographics for deaths still haven't changed for deaths

go to Britain, where the strain has been since last fall, same data, old people still the ones who died

facts, who needs em?

just like the stupidity with speeding

100km in a 80 zone

yet, use MPH, 62.1371mph vs 49.7097mph

even worse when you talk about 50-60-70 even less scary

so use the scary one to fear monger says the anal retentive control freaks

irrational emotions

average age of death in covid, still 80, year on, same as last March/April, and we didn't do anything to protect them

even though they were already locked down, in LTC/Old Folks Homes

so spare us with the concern

clearly it wasn't there ever

for those that really needed it

covid's been a ME, ME, ME movement

when it never really was, it was a old person one

still is

no one cared during the flu, even though it kills in the thousands per year

no one cares about the drug addicts in the last decade, even though it is killing thousands per year

but tell the average idiot they have a chance of dying of covid, even thought they don't

and it's somehow time to impose all the arbitrary restrictions/lockdowns, even though they clearly don't work

facts don't matter, science doesn't matter *(if it did, your idiot Health Officer along with all the others wouldn't be spacing out shots over 4 months, that's pure politics)

reality doesn't matter anymore

irrational emotions do, you got a chance, no, you don't

math, year on, proves it isn't true

Add to this, that the death rate is slightly skewed.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=965132557354965

 

[westwoody]

OAN?

It’s best to get data from a credible site like physorg or pubmed instead.

 

[Lo-ki]

And the SCAMDEMIC continues it’s course.....