outside food at a waves coffee?

bcneil

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In this case, though, they weren't taking a loss because they couldn't sell him what he wanted (chips). He implies he would not have bought something else in the places of chips, so they're not losing anything by him eating his own chips.
I am going to the keg tonight cause I like their Beer. However I will bring a pizza along, since its not on their menu they shouldn't mind. Since otherwise I would just drink beer at the bar and not order food.
 

Lesbian Hunter

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I am going to the keg tonight cause I like their Beer. However I will bring a pizza along, since its not on their menu they shouldn't mind. Since otherwise I would just drink beer at the bar and not order food.
We're taling about coffee houses not restaurants. There is a difference. If a coffee house has a policy that outside food is not allowed then that policy should be prominently displayed within the establishment.
 

DaBoneman

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We're taling about coffee houses not restaurants. There is a difference. If a coffee house has a policy that outside food is not allowed then that policy should be prominently displayed within the establishment.

That might be the smart thing to do but they are not required to do so. At the very least maybe they don't want to clean up after people who bring in their own meals. Most coffee houses do sell some sort of food. Why not do the reverse: buy their coffee and drink it at the restaurant that you bought the food from.
 

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I remember when I worked at a restaurant in my teens, they posted a sign regarding the legalities of bringing in outside food or drink into an establishment that serves food and/or drink. I wish I could remember where it was from, but even if it is just municipal law, it was in Robson Square. Just because they don't serve what you are in the mood for doesn't mean you can bring in what you want to. If you want coffee and a bag of chips, maybe try 7/11? ;)
 

CJ Tylers

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All valid points, but he *did* purchase a coffee. The purchase of goods is part and parcel with the privilege of being able to sit down in the establishment. If the owner decided that bucko was undesireable enough to refuse him the ability to sit down and drink the coffee from that shop that he purchased... then the owner should've refused him service in the first place.

It's kind of like night club owners whining about having to deal with drunks (and the laws pertaining to them) all the while encouraging their staff to "Serve resposibly" but really pushing them to "serve until security tosses them out".

My patience is thin for that sort of thing... either deny service in the first place, or buck up and take it on the chin.
 

*emmanuelle

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I worked at a cafe when I was in high school. People used to come in with their own homemade food, sit at our tables and eat it with our cutlery, then leave us to clean up the mess. Some would even ask us to heat their food up for them in OUR microwave! The nerve!

(but I do agree that a bag of chips is no big deal :))
 

DaBoneman

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CJ Tylers said:
The purchase of goods is part and parcel with the privilege of being able to sit down in the establishment.
So if I go into Dairy Queen and order a milkshake and then take my KFC meal out of a bag I have earned the privilege of sitting down in the establishment? Interesting way of thinking. :confused:
 

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So if I go into Dairy Queen and order a milkshake and then take my KFC meal out of a bag I have earned the privilege of sitting down in the establishment? Interesting way of thinking. :confused:
So, someone who comes in with no outside food and just buys a milkshake doesn't deserve to sit down at DQ? They are equally profitable to the patron you are describing. Interesting way of thinking. :confused:
 

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There is usually a 'corking fee' associated with this practice.
I think case with a coffee place, the "corking fee" would have been the purchase of a coffee.

What if you walk into Holt Renfrew or Harry Rosen with a shopping bag from Moores and you want to coordinate your Moores shirt and Moores tie with an Armani suit? Should the sales assciate go ape-shit over this or just let you buy the $3200 Armani suit to wear with your Moores shirt and tie?
Wait.... Moores and Armani... the sacrilege!


Since LAG was a paying customer, he should be allowed to do "whatever he wants".
If you deny service to someone just because they brought in something that wasn't sold in your own store, you can technically boot everyone out.
If LAG walked in with a Starbucks thermal mug, would Waves refuse to fill it just because they happen to sell their own mugs? Maybe not even one from a rival shop like Starbucks, but a mug from Superstore or something.
In Starbucks, they sell music CD's, so in theory you can tell people to leave if they decides to listen to their own MP3 player, since the music they brought into the store could have impacted their sales on those cd's.
T-shirts, boardgames, gift cards, a different credit card, etc... depending on how extreme you want to go, you can save money by not even having to have tables and chairs for your shop, lol.

Since it was only a bag of chip, it shouldn't have been an issue.... I believe the most you can bring in is like a sandwich. Obviously you don't start bring in your TV dinners and ask the restaurant to microwave them, or set up a 3-course meal on their patio, but if it's something minor, it shouldn't ever be an issue.
 

DQ Guy

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So if I go into Dairy Queen and order a milkshake and then take my KFC meal out of a bag I have earned the privilege of sitting down in the establishment? Interesting way of thinking. :confused:
No.. you have the right to drink you shake..
or go outside and eat on the bench...
if you wanted to eat chicken.. order the chicken strips.

as for bringing and eating something thats not on the menu...
I'm sorry you just don't bring outside stuff in. some places may
be forgiving on this part. but for the better half
you just don't do it.:rolleyes:
I never did as a kid and I don't now. shit I'll even
buy that 20$ bag of popcorn at the movies...
 

DaBoneman

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What if you walk into Holt Renfrew or Harry Rosen with a shopping bag from Moores and you want to coordinate your Moores shirt and Moores tie with an Armani suit? Should the sales assciate go ape-shit over this or just let you buy the $3200 Armani suit to wear with your Moores shirt and tie?

Using your analogy my point would be you're alllowed to walk into DQ with your KFC and order your shake but you then take your food to go and eat it somewhere else ie at home in the park BUT not inside the DQ.
 
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DaBoneman

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Evolve said:
So, someone who comes in with no outside food and just buys a milkshake doesn't deserve to sit down at DQ?
What!!!!! Yes they do deserve to sit at DQ with the milkshake, that's the point! They bought DQ product and are sitting inside DQ. The question is should you sit inside DQ eating competitors products.
 

Evolve

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So if I go into Dairy Queen and order a milkshake and then take my KFC meal out of a bag I have earned the privilege of sitting down in the establishment? Interesting way of thinking. :confused:
So, someone who comes in with no outside food and just buys a milkshake doesn't deserve to sit down at DQ? They are equally profitable to the patron you are describing. Interesting way of thinking. :confused:
What!!!!! Yes they do deserve to sit at DQ with the milkshake, that's the point! They bought DQ product and are sitting inside DQ. The question is should you sit inside DQ eating competitors products.
You just defeated your own argument then. Both customers in this scenario have purchased and are consuming DQ products inside DQ. Both are equally profitable. One of them is simply consuming additional products, not purchased at DQ.
 

DQ Guy

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The whole point is not to eat outside food...

If all you get is a pop, why should you be able
to eat something else when other items are there for purchase??

Its simple really. If you didn't order it, don't consume it in set place.
I'm not sure why its so hard to understand.
When I got out for coffee or dinner. I go to eat
and drink what that place offers..If I need food, and drink from different
places I order them to go. I'm not goning to go to timmies with a burger
from DQ just so I can have a coffee and burger...

Its like bringing you SO to an MP.. and not sampling another SP..
Just doesn't make any damn sense.
If all you wanted was the room go home.
 

DaBoneman

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Evolve said:
You just defeated your own argument then. Both customers in this scenario have purchased and are consuming DQ products inside DQ. Both are equally profitable. One of them is simply consuming additional products, not purchased at DQ.
We'll agree to disagree. I haven't defeated my own argument because my argument isn't about the profit margin on a milkshake. What you state as the difference being simply one consumer consuming additional products is the gist of my argument. Should you eat outside competitor's food in DQ. I say no. You say yes.
I have on a couple of occasions eaten a coconut bun purchased at a bakery inside Starbucks, no one said anything to me, either because Starbucks doesn't care or because manager or employees didn't see me. If they did I wouldn't get all upset about it, because IMO its their perogative.

Let's do a social experiment. In view of manager and/or employees take a Quizno's sub to Mcdonald's, order their fries and eat inside. Take KFC to DQ order a milkshake and eat inside. Take a subway sandwich into Wendy's order their chili and eat inside. Take a Teen Burger into Timmies and order their coffee and eat inside. It would be interesting to see the results. According to you they should be happy because they have all made a profit on the sale of their fries, milkshake, chili and coffee. My guess is they would ask you not to do it.
 

Evolve

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The whole point is not to eat outside food...

If all you get is a pop, why should you be able
to eat something else when other items are there for purchase??

Its simple really. If you didn't order it, don't consume it in set place.
I'm not sure why its so hard to understand.
When I got out for coffee or dinner. I go to eat
and drink what that place offers..If I need food, and drink from different
places I order them to go. I'm not goning to go to timmies with a burger
from DQ just so I can have a coffee and burger...

Its like bringing you SO to an MP.. and not sampling another SP..
Just doesn't make any damn sense.
If all you wanted was the room go home.
I think this is a mistake. You are chasing profitable customers out the door for not being profitable enough, or for violating your personal ideals.
If the choice were between a customer buying a burger + drink or a customer just buying a drink, then you would be choosing the customer who buys the burger. I doubt that is the choice you are making. In cases like this, you are more likely choosing between a customer buying a drink or no customer at all.
There is no moral ideal to be followed here. Money is money.

Why would the SP care if the customer does it with his wife or herself as long as she gets paid? SP's probably aren't a good analogy anyway since they typically get paid by the hour rather than by the transaction. She's going to make money no matter what.

Of course it's entirely different if someone is occupying your establishment and providing no income at all. Kick their butt to the curb! If someone is nursing a drink for 3 hours and displacing profitable customers, I'd say you are justified in asking them to leave, since they are likely costing you money.
However, as long as the customer is providing you with net profit, I don't see the point in objecting to their aesthetic choices.
 

Evolve

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We'll agree to disagree. I haven't defeated my own argument because my argument isn't about the profit margin on a milkshake. What you state as the difference being simply one consumer consuming additional products is the gist of my argument. Should you eat outside competitor's food in DQ. I say no. You say yes.
I have on a couple of occasions eaten a coconut bun purchased at a bakery inside Starbucks, no one said anything to me, either because Starbucks doesn't care or because manager or employees didn't see me. If they did I wouldn't get all upset about it, because IMO its their perogative.

Let's do a social experiment. In view of manager and/or employees take a Quizno's sub to Mcdonald's, order their fries and eat inside. Take KFC to DQ order a milkshake and eat inside. Take a subway sandwich into Wendy's order their chili and eat inside. Take a Teen Burger into Timmies and order their coffee and eat inside. It would be interesting to see the results. According to you they should be happy because they have all made a profit on the sale of their fries, milkshake, chili and coffee. My guess is they would ask you not to do it.
I think I may be missing something then. If it's not about profit, what is it about? Is this a moral, social or aesthetic ideal?
For the record, to the best of my recollection, I have never done this, nor do I intend to start. Like DQGuy, I even shell out for the crazy prices at the movie theaters. I just don't see what the big deal is.
I think you are right, some of the store managers would have a problem with outside food. My point is that they should just get over it and keep their eye on the bottom line. A profitable customer is a profitable customer.
 

DaBoneman

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If you want a variety of choice go the mall. The food courts have everything.

I think you misunderstood my post I was quoting someone else who said this and disagreed with him. I agree go to a food court.
 
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