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Outing Shills

Groo39

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"Outing" shills seems to be a popular pasttime on this board, but it looks like a few members might be a bit overzealous about the practice. Everyone has their own "tips" for identifying shills, but it might be helpful for new members to get a bit of heads up.

No matter how many of the factors below come into play, it's not a guarantee of a shill. If in doubt, give it a bit of time and see if the poster is really a shill or not (they can't hide it long -- ever. Shills are usually too stupid to realize how obvious they are.)

I'm not going to cover some of the more elaborate shillings I've seen (don't want to give them any ideas.) But...

The Blatant Shill just posts a few lines about how great the SP was, apologizes for being a newb, but provides no details or pricing. At least 90% of such posts are shills, but every once in a while it's just a genuine newb who doesn't know what information to provide. As such shills are obvious, there is no need to call them out until the newb has a chance to fill out the details in the review.

If you are posting a limited review because the SP or agency has requested it, please note that in your review. If there are existing detailed reviews that you consider accurate, you can just provide a link to that review and add your own comments instead of doing a full review.

The Stealth Shill is a bit smarter. They'll post a few reviews as a bundle. A couple about ladies who are known to be good providers, and the shill's target is mixed in their with a moderate review. The way you spot these is the shill will periodically post, but you'll notice they always mention the newest ladies from the same agency on each "review". Those new ladies are usually the shill's target.

If you are posting multiple reviews as a single post, please consider taking an extra few minutes to post them individually. It makes it easier to find relevant reviews ([email protected] should be in the title, BTW.)

An Agency Shill is harder to spot, as they're hard to distinguish from an overly-enthusiastic fan. The main thing with an agency shill is they won't let any negatives about their favourites go unanswered, and their reviews are mostly cookie-cutter moderate-to-ravingly-positive comments. Every lady they see is spectacular, they all provide the ideal service list for the shill, and they never run into anyone where the desired service is off the menu.

If it's a new poster, give them a bit of time to develop a personality. They could just be a genuine fanboy. Such fans can be amusing, they just need to remember that aggressive harassment of negative posts is rude. The same goes for those who have an issue with an SP or agency (anti-fans or dissatisfied clients, occasionally an agency trying to dis the competition.)

Make your point in a review or two, and let it be. Don't keep complaining or raving in every thread about the SP or Agency. Legitimate problems will surface by multiple posters reporting them, not by an individual harassing an SP or agency. The star SPs and Agencies will likewise show up as repeated positive posts.


The one complex shilling I'm going to cover is the Community Shill. I've seen this one used by a couple agencies, but it's pretty much impossible to prove. You can only spot it by following a poster's history for a fair bit of time.

The way it works is any one of a number of accounts is used to post a question about a new SP who has just started. Over the next few hours or days, other accounts post "me-too" inquiries, and "I hear she's hot" type comments.

After 1-3 weeks of warmup, a moderately enthusiastic review of the SP is posted to the same thread instead of as a new thread. The post will often reference other reviews made with the account to "prove" their authenticity.

The real kicker to the community shill is that because the review is never so glowing that the differences fall under YMMV, the account can actually gain credibility for "reliable" reviews. They're only "reliable" because they're generic enough to cover any acceptable SP's service.

During the 3-4 weeks of the shill, the new SP and the agency's name are kept in the forefront of the board at least every other day or so. The posts happen often enough that the agency's name remains "visible" at least 25% of that time: the free advertising the shill is hoping to hook you with.

The only way you can spot the community shill for certain is when they use the same 10-20 accounts. It really gets uncertain when 4-5 of those accounts could also be legitimate fanboys. (Just because the agency is being shilled doesn't mean they can't possibly provide good service and have happy clients.)

One last point: if you're going to out a shill, have some fun with it. It's so trailer-trash to settle for just screaming and pointing "Shill!!!" when you can identify all the evidence they've left lying around, and hopefully embarass them into going away.
 
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chuck1561

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just curious

Groo, I do respect your opinion and I know that you said you're not finished editing yet but I just was curious..The few reviews I have written, (very few) and I know I should contribute more in that way but I generally stick to the same ladies all the time, have been very short and not to story like just basicly what's offered and a link to the persons contact info, I don't normally put pricing because you one can generally find that out from the contact info. (and for reasons that I mentioned in my pm to you) Does this mean because of my writing style that I would be considered a shill. There are far to many critics on this board of other's reviews IMHO .. as far as I understand a shill is someone who promotes someone for profit..please correct me if Iam wrong on this..Thanks:D
 

Groo39

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Chuck, I respect that the reviews here have been thin on information, but that's exactly why it's important for legitimate reviews to have more information. Not only does the extra information help the members identify the SPs and Agencies they want to see or avoid, it helps distinguish the shills from the legitimite reviews.

Everyone has their own style, too. That's why I say to give a new account time to develop a personality before you start crying "Shill". We don't want to scare off the new members by screaming at them when they just might need to learn the ways of the boards.

From what I've read of your post history, I wouldn't label you as worse than "fanboy" (you do seem to have your favourites! *g*) You also make a lot of non-review comments, which is another sign of the difference between fanboy and shill.

Fanboys talk about things other than their favourite agency or SP. It takes time to follow the lounge and other sections of the board and develop a personality that way. Most shills don't want to spend the time developing a personality -- they just want to broadcast their advertising.
 

Groo39

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Re: just curious

chuck1561 said:
.. as far as I understand a shill is someone who promotes someone for profit..please correct me if Iam wrong on this..Thanks:D
Most shills are just agency owners and their close associates creating bogus accounts for the exercise.

But presuming they try to get a regular/ordinary client to start shilling for them, what would they have to do before you only make positive comments (whether true or not.)?

"Extra" services during your session? Maybe your favourite will do BBBJTC when it's always been CBJ. Maybe Greek. Depends on what you want that isn't normally on the menu.

How about getting a phone call letting you know about the new girl starting tomorrow?

What if your sessions often were to run overtime, with never a comment, complaint, or additional charge?

How about a guarantee that you're going to be the first customer of the day, so the SP is wide awake, rested, and enthusiastic instead of looking forward to the end of a shift?

And of course there are always rate discounts and freebies.
 

rickoshadows

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This last bit about getting an ordinary client to start putting out positive reviews would just be good business. By your latest description, we're all shills!

rickoshadows
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Kev

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It took awhile, but i found a post i was reading yesterday on TERB. Please read the review and judge for yourself if this is a shill.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34834&highlight=shilling

This poor guy didn`t have a chance. He got hammered from the get go. What led members on to him being a shill? Was it justified? His writing is poor, but hes from Europe so what can one expect dealing with a second language. I don`t think he was treated fairly, what do you guys think?




Another interesting point on the subject by Sanguine of TERB.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34942

--- Kev
 
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Groo39

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rickoshadows said:
This last bit about getting an ordinary client to start putting out positive reviews would just be good business. By your latest description, we're all shills!
Did they stop giving you good service when you posted a bad or iffy review? No? Then you aren't a shill.

But you've also just identified the big reason you have to think before screaming "shill" -- fanboys and the agencies who've earned them.

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Kev's link is a good one.

Much as that poster hasn't had any bad experiences with the agency they mention, I've got a couple similar "top notch" agencies in the GTA that have always been a pleasure to deal with. Those are the agency's who've earned their fans by providing stellar service -- good luck convincing anyone a positive post for such an agency is a shill job!
 

Groo39

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Regarding Kev`s new link https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34834&highlight=shilling

Here you have a lovely example of what happens when the Shill-shriekers get out of hand. Those who were screaming shill don`t know the GTA market that well, and you`ll see the second page has a fair number of corrections and retractions.

Nicole and GOE (Garden of Eden) are one of the reliable agencies in the area. It`s not surprising a newbie could run into a 9-10, especially if they`ve never dealt with SPs of any significant skill or temperament. As with any agency, they have the occasional issue, but Nicole tends to stamp out the problems pretty quickly once she`s informed of them.

I guess Kev`s point is that you have to consider the agency/SP when you`re deciding whether it`s a shill or another happy customer.
 

Kev

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Also, how do you distinguish between someone like the reviewer in the link provided above from being a shill, and someone who suffers from the 'White Knight Syndrome?" (ie. he carries a torch for said SP)

What i have seen to many times on this board is a newbie has a great time with an SP. Hes all a gush with enthusiasm about his new found gem. He immediately comes home and jumps on the computer, banging away on the keyboard wanting to tell the world about his stellar expericence.

......but the only response he heres is SHILLLL!!!!.

I don't understand why a newbie can't post a review without someone screeming shill. If i'm not sure i would be more inclined to give the reviewer the benefit of the doubt, and wait until the next review to see how he posts. If your shilling theres no hiding it. Not for long anyway. --- Kev
 

Groo39

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Yeah, the anti-shills. Blowhard is right -- there are anti-shills as well. I've just always seen them use the same tactics as the "normal" shills, and thought the idea of the anti-shill would be obvious to most.
 

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defining a shill is kind of like the supreme court trying to define porn a few years back, and on this im as libbibg but what they basically said was cant define it but i know it when i see it