Other musicians here?

[iliketravel]

I think you guys mix up political and outspoken. Political means signing to a certain wing. Being outspoken means, at least in my mind, is expressing yourself. In punk rock, and that's what I like about it when growing up in post 1960's, the honesty and directness was bonded me to that frame of mind. Because as much as it might have seemed to you, Big Gajin, it was not about politics, but attitude. The punk attitude. That did include speaking against political issues, but that's just a part of what any thinking beeing can't avoid considering. The roots of punk rock was not political, it was social. People on dole, unemployed, like in SHam 69, Lurkers, Cockney Rejects, etc. even they, they were 0i bands and others just frustrated kids. Wire, Psychedelic Furs, Slaughter and the Dogs, move on the the Damned, and well..... the North American Iggy Pop. Political? Hmm. Anybody is in a way! That would deny his\her right to state. But generalizing? Nope. Like I said, I painted dolphin murals. Good money by the way! But that had nothing to do with anything political.
Art is about philosophy. Period.

 

[iliketravel]

Any art form starts with philosophy. An idea. Art is not anything that anyone comes up with that's not fitting on wallmart shelves. Like in the Van culture crawl joke, displaying a pile of dirty socks in the middle of a room as a statement.... of what???? Definitely, not art! You get that perhaps philosophy aspect there, but it fails elsewhere. Damn thing hard to grasp... Here. Art needs freedom. Expansion. But also discipline. Needs depth. The GG Allen is just an example of many thing hard to express in a simple post. I am not soe die hard fan of hi, hahaha. Just an example of a good and bad mix, for the superficial judging.

 

[iliketravel]

Art should be freedom, not constrained by like you said politics. Never, ever. Political views expressed through art - absolutely!!!! Buy art used as political weapon is propaganda.

 

[BigCgaijin]

I think you guys mix up political and outspoken. Political means signing to a certain wing. Being outspoken means, at least in my mind, is expressing yourself. In punk rock, and that's what I like about it when growing up in post 1960's, the honesty and directness was bonded me to that frame of mind. Because as much as it might have seemed to you, Big Gajin, it was not about politics, but attitude. The punk attitude. That did include speaking against political issues, but that's just a part of what any thinking beeing can't avoid considering. The roots of punk rock was not political, it was social. People on dole, unemployed, like in SHam 69, Lurkers, Cockney Rejects, etc. even they, they were 0i bands and others just frustrated kids. Wire, Psychedelic Furs, Slaughter and the Dogs, move on the the Damned, and well..... the North American Iggy Pop. Political? Hmm. Anybody is in a way! That would deny his\her right to state. But generalizing? Nope. Like I said, I painted dolphin murals. Good money by the way! But that had nothing to do with anything political.
Art is about philosophy. Period.

But what's the difference? There is a such a thing as politically outspoken. Philosophy spawns political ideology and yes I do agree punk rock was social with like you say, like minded groups gathering under the same social circumstances like being on the dole and speaking out "the attitude" about the injustice of their government and society in general failing them. So how is this different from mainstream Rock? Blues? Plenty of rock hits commenting on social injustices, anti war comments, and racial intolerance all coming from a progressive philosophy, which in turn takes a life of it's own and puts pressure on politicians to address them. I think it;s all interconnected. I believe creativity surfaces from many different influences such as mental health, sexuality and desire, social circumstances, nature, love, hate, fear, the human condition, relationships, the list goes on. I agree with your point that we can not generalize art's creative origins but we can comment on when the art form is political or social in nature.

 

[iliketravel]

 

[Metaxa]

But what's the difference? There is a such a thing as politically outspoken. Philosophy spawns political ideology and yes I do agree punk rock was social with like you say, like minded groups gathering under the same social circumstances like being on the dole and speaking out "the attitude" about the injustice of their government and society in general failing them. So how is this different from mainstream Rock? Blues? Plenty of rock hits commenting on social injustices, anti war comments, and racial intolerance all coming from a progressive philosophy, which in turn takes a life of it's own and puts pressure on politicians to address them. I think it;s all interconnected. I believe creativity surfaces from many different influences such as mental health, sexuality and desire, social circumstances, nature, love, hate, fear, the human condition, relationships, the list goes on. I agree with your point that we can not generalize art's creative origins but we can comment on when the art form is political or social in nature.

I hit like by mistake.

 

[iliketravel]

I'd go out on a limb guessing that anyone who experienced an existentialist question, dilemma, a drastic choice, and to simplify this a deeply personal one, will dismiss any notion that all virtues are driven by politics. Nothing drives me other than observing and drawing own conclusions. Politics is a game of fools who some of them get rich in the process. Same as with interpersonal relations. I find poetry in dirt, in mold, in spontaneously appearing imperfection. I am not hypocritical or explaining loving what I find a be attractive, personally, and don't excuse myself nor blame others for whatever I say. That's subjective of course and talking about myself. Bottom line, personal struggles not addressed and dismissed by pseudo authorities, including anyone ending up with musicians or any other assumed influential persons, are not n my approval list. Just think for yourself and go with the gut. Sorry the grammar.

 

[iliketravel]

Anyway, I am just a passenger

 

[Fullhouse]

There is nothing more enjoyable than a female organ player practicing her skills on mine.

 

[BigCgaijin]

I'd go out on a limb guessing that anyone who experienced an existentialist question, dilemma, a drastic choice, and to simplify this a deeply personal one, will dismiss any notion that all virtues are driven by politics. Nothing drives me other than observing and drawing own conclusions. Politics is a game of fools who some of them get rich in the process. Same as with interpersonal relations. I find poetry in dirt, in mold, in spontaneously appearing imperfection. I am not hypocritical or explaining loving what I find a be attractive, personally, and don't excuse myself nor blame others for whatever I say. That's subjective of course and talking about myself. Bottom line, personal struggles not addressed and dismissed by pseudo authorities, including anyone ending up with musicians or any other assumed influential persons, are not n my approval list. Just think for yourself and go with the gut. Sorry the grammar.

I think we hit some common ground here, virtue must drive politics....yes I agree! Not the other way around and I too dismiss those notions. When politics attempts to drive virtue that's when artists and progressives react. When centralized authority begins to order or influence our thinking that's not a path we wish to take and we must resist it at all costs or we have dictatorship. A good example is I don't need an idiot like Erin O'toole or his followers lecturing me on morality or what it means. Your grammar is just fine and I like the tracks you're posting. Have you designed any t shirts by the way?

 

[BigCgaijin]

I hit like by mistake.

Dood, it's ok to like it, I smoked a fatty before I wrote that and I thought I was waxing quite eloquently there about the origins and influences of inspiration with a fellow creative person and what's more it's a respectful conversation and we respect each other's point of view. What's not to like?

 

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[blakealridge]

Hey @iliketravel can you please stop spamming/hijacking my thread? Damn dude

 

[iliketravel]

 

[iliketravel]

Charlee, I just thought about it myself today, and exactly what you said. Speaking about music made me let go with the beer flow, and go down the memory lane. But yes, went off topic. For that I apologize. If you want me to remove any posts PM me, as now the thread has stretched. Too bad no other musicians followed up so I thought I'd add a spice to maybe jump start more discussion, as there are musicians in Vancouver and perhaps could relate and comment. Turns out not. But yes, it turned into me hijacking your thread. Sincere cheers.

 

[blakealridge]

Charlee, I just thought about it myself today, and exactly what you said. Speaking about music made me let go with the beer flow, and go down the memory lane. But yes, went off topic. For that I apologize. If you want me to remove any posts PM me, as now the thread has stretched. Too bad no other musicians followed up so I thought I'd add a spice to maybe jump start more discussion, as there are musicians in Vancouver and perhaps could relate and comment. Turns out not. But yes, it turned into me hijacking your thread. Sincere cheers.

How about you book me and you can make it up to me in person ?