Orwell Cringes Again, bIG bROTHER Grows New Eyes

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They said Photo Radar would stop peoplefrom speeding. It didn't. It was simply a government cash cow, and invasive on liberty. What makes people believe this will be ANY DIFFERENT?

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B.C. boosts number of red-light cameras
Last Updated: Friday, March 6, 2009 | 6:27 PM PT
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CBC News

110 new red-light cameras will be added throughout the province beginning this summer. (CBC)

British Columbia is installing a flood of new red-light cameras in a bid to reduce the number of collisions at high-risk intersections.

The Insurance Corp. of B.C., the RCMP and the provincial Ministry of Safety announced Friday the number of cameras will rise to 140 from 30 by this summer.

The new digital cameras will allow for much faster processing times than the existing film cameras, officials said.

Top 10 worst intersections in B.C.:

Lougheed Highway and Shaughnessy Street — Port Coquitlam
88th Avenue and King George Highway — Surrey
Kingsway and Boundary — Burnaby
Knight St. and 49th Avenue — Vancouver
104th Avenue and 160th Street — Surrey
Oak Street and 41st Avenue — Vancouver
Burrard Street and Pacific — Vancouver
72nd Avenue and 120th Street — Surrey
104th Avenue and 152nd Street — Surrey
Barnet Highway and Lougheed Highway — Coquitlam
Nicolas Jimenez, road safety director for ICBC, said it currently takes three to five weeks for tickets to be sent to offenders.

"Someone has to climb up a pole, retrieve the film, climb down a pole, send the film to a processing unit, take it to a ticket processing facility, manually attach the photo to a ticket and then mail the ticket," he said. "All of this is [now] going to happen instantly."

With the new digital cameras, drivers running red lights will receive their tickets in as few as five days.

An average of 270 intersection crashes happen in B.C. every day, and about 40 per cent of all crashes involving injuries and fatalities occur at intersections, ICBC statistics show.

B.C. Solicitor General John van Dongen is hoping the $20-million initiative will save lives and prevent serious injuries.

"Crashes at intersections kill or injure about 53,000 people every year," van Dongen said.

John van Dongen said he is hoping the new red-light cameras will decrease the number of intersection crashes. (CBC)
"In all, one million drivers have been involved in an intersection crash since 2003. But red-light cameras have helped to cut the carnage, so we are upgrading our technology and targeting more high-crash intersections to catch, penalize and deter more dangerous drivers."

In a recent ICBC study of the old cameras, crashes involving death or injury declined by 6.4 per cent at intersections where there were there were red-light cameras.

ICBC, the RCMP and the Ministry of Public Safety are currently finalizing the locations where cameras will be installed.

Red-light tickets carry a fine of $167, which is reduced by $25 if the ticket's paid within 30 days.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/03/06/bc-icbc-red-light.html
 

smackyo

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Ooh, if we're going to talk about Orwell rolling over in his grave, we should definitely mention this:

http://www.eyeflare.com/article/take-photos-police-england-risk-arrest/



Can you imagine the implications? This essentially means that citizens can not document police brutality.

If it had been illegal to take photos and video footage of the police here in Canada, we may never have had video footage of what the police did to Robert Dziekanski.
i hear ya, but not like it really matters. the cops always get off it seems. they first lied in the paper about what really happened and then on the stand said they were afraid of a stapler.

they wonder why public confidence in the police is down. :rolleyes:
 

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I don't have a problem with it. Having red light cameras definitely has curbed my running late yellows. I don't feel that it is invasive on LIBERTY at all. I think you are using the wrong word here though as Liberty means the ability to act or think without being stopped by an outside force. IF you are saying that you are not being able to speed without being stopped by an outside force then I guess the comment makes sense but I certainly don't agree with it.

I have no problem giving up some freedoms in order for law and order to be enabled and for society to get along. Since we don't seem capable of common decency as a group then we need outside forces to force us into that. The worse society gets the stronger those forces need to be.

In terms of traffic cameras, that is hardly big brother. We are miles behind the UK where video cameras filming busy or known spots are commonplace and used by the police. I think the people who bitch and complain about our freedoms or liberties being taken away but don't actually DO anything about making this society better need to shut up and do something good for the society we live in. Complaining solves nothing.
 

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I have no problem giving up some freedoms in order for law and order to be enabled and for society to get along. Since we don't seem capable of common decency as a group then we need outside forces to force us into that. The worse society gets the stronger those forces need to be.

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

Benjamin Franklin


its amazing what history has to teach us. yet we continually refuse to learn. the german people didn't really see too much wrong with losing some of their freedoms in the late 30's. the nazi party said it was for their own best interests, didn't really work out well for them though.

while i don't think red light camera's are too big a deal if that is indeed where it ends (which i doubt). if it cuts down on accidents and people being hurt than that sounds not to bad to me. problem is as i see it is where does it end?

some time in the not so distant future you'll have government saying "well those red light cams worked well, why not have them on every corner? its for everyone's safety."

then before you know it, it snowballs into camera's being in your house to make sure you don't smoke a joint or get a blowjob cause the "public" views that act as lewd. i do realize (hope) that the last scenario is far off but then again the snowball effect gains a lot of momentum when going down hill. if people are there to oppose certain things or at least have some debate about these ideas then snowball then has to start rolling up hill, a much tougher task.
 

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I'm one who supports the use of red-light cams and would also support the re-introduction of photo radar. My only provisos about photo radar would be that they shouldn't be installed at the bottom of long downhill grades and the transition from one speed zone to another. As long as the speed limit was reasonable what's the problem ? If you've ever driven around Vancouver you know where people are speeding. Drive anytime down Clarke/Knight and you'll see semi-trailers and large commercial trucks clearly exceeding the speed limit. Does anyone consider that safe ? How about Oak, Granville, Marine Drive, Broadway,etc etc.

If it is a money grab so what. I would rather the government ticket those breaking the law and collecting the fine than reaching into my pocket to generate revenues.
 
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