Opinion Poll

[Krustee]

Do you think that most SP's collect Welfare & do not report personal income?

I found this post by InTheBum:

Most SP's collect welfare and never claim a dime in earnings...

Which of course got me to thinking if there was any truth to it.

What is your opinion?

 

[Krustee]

Probably.


Damn dirty whores.

Hey now don't be disparaging the ladies, this is a respectable question & should be answered by those mature enough to respond appropriately.

Be NICE!

 

[leelee]

The answer depends on circumstance

There are some ladies that collect welfare, but I would estimate that most do not. The ladies that do collect welfare on top of working are the ones that did not necessarily choose to do this business. They are the women that are working to feed their children, so any extra bit of money is helpful. I am sure that you can understand their position.

With respect to income taxes...

Some pay them and some do not, and others just "fudge" the books.

 

[Krustee]

OK - so far the poll indicates that of the 16 who voted, as of 12:30am March 2, 50% of the voters believe that at least 40% of the SP's are collecting welfare in addition to their courtesan coinage.

That is surprising as 4 of the above metioned voters actually believe that 60-100% of SP's are on Welfare.

Judging by the opinions expressed thus far it is safe to say that the readers think 40.625% (the mean average) are on welfare.

Should be interesting to see the results in a week.

 

[sarahpassion]

Harsh.

I do believe that some do collect, most of these would probably women with children who are doing this as extra earnings to support them. The average mother of 2 receives $850 per month on welfare, $525 being alloted for rent! What could you rent in the lower mainland for 1 adult and 2 children for that? Then have have $325 left for bills? The average mother on welfare would receive and addional $500 for family allowance.
Now the average single person, receives $500. That's $325 for rent and $175 for living.
The "welfare" system is now very hard to receive, after a woman's child turns 2 she is cut off. They offer school, and work experience then are expected to re-enter the workforce. Now you tell me eaning hopefully 10hr, at 40 hours a week, is what a gross of $1600 a month? Now pay even that $525 (that the governement thinks can shelter a mother and 2 children) then care for the children, there wouldn't be any left! Now we do have a Government funded program called "Daycare Subsidy" which does help out low-income families. Even so your earnings woould barely make ends meet.
Now for a single person to apply for welfare, they would have to prove that they cannot be employed, have job searched for 3 weeks, or have some sort of disability that prevents them from working.

So in answer to your question I am sure there a some single mothers doing what they need to make ends meet, or a few of the drug-addicted or mentally-ill who are collecting welfare but for the most part I would say no most Sp's do not collect welfare.
If you wanted to make an accurate Poll I would think that you should sub-catagorize "sp's" to different levels, or present facts. How could one even vote at the percentage of sp's collecting welfare? When nobody can even imagine how many woman we are talking about?

 

[sarahpassion]

SP's are collecting welfare in addition to their courtesan coinage.

Um I think anyone collecting courtesan coinage wouldn't be collecting welfare. Saying the courtesan would apply to me that they are collecting the higher end of the scale, so seeing 2 clients a month would pocket them as much as a welfare check

 

[leelee]

Your numbers are meaningless....

OK - so far the poll indicates that of the 16 who voted, as of 12:30am March 2, 50% of the voters believe that at least 40% of the SP's are collecting welfare in addition to their courtesan coinage.

That is surprising as 4 of the above metioned voters actually believe that 60-100% of SP's are on Welfare.

Judging by the opinions expressed thus far it is safe to say that the readers think 40.625% (the mean average) are on welfare.

Should be interesting to see the results in a week.

It would seem that you are on a mission to "prove" a stereotype for your own personal amusement. My question is why?

Many years ago...I am guessing you are at least my age so I am sure that you will remember....there was a certain professor from the University of Western Ontario who did a whole "study" that perpetuated stereotypes. I am sure you remember the animosity his findings created.

Your poll is doomed to failure since mostly men are answering. Men are not in a position to divulge a lady's financial affairs since they do not know them.

Please stop speculating..it makes me question your agenda.

 

[Krustee]

OK - the latest mean average is now at 37.885% based on 26 votes.

Ya Krusty can't wait for the results( major sarcasm). I think most people just vote on your poll for a joke. Notice how not many have responded? All I'm going to say about your poll is I think it's BUSH.

Why don't you meet InTheBum at his "Men's Night" and you two can discuss this and many other wonderful topics?

Actually, you seem to be the only one with a fixation on InTheBum so I'll let you stay as the flagbearer on that one.

As to whether the votes are serious or a joke, neither you nor I can say for sure, you can only attempt to interpret the results.

So in answer to your question I am sure there a some single mothers doing what they need to make ends meet, or a few of the drug-addicted or mentally-ill who are collecting welfare but for the most part I would say no most Sp's do not collect welfare.
If you wanted to make an accurate Poll I would think that you should sub-catagorize "sp's" to different levels, or present facts. How could one even vote at the percentage of sp's collecting welfare? When nobody can even imagine how many woman we are talking about?

Thank you for that well thought out response, by far the most reasonable & thorough one to date.

It would seem that you are on a mission to "prove" a stereotype for your own personal amusement. My question is why?

Many years ago...I am guessing you are at least my age so I am sure that you will remember....there was a certain professor from the University of Western Ontario who did a whole "study" that perpetuated stereotypes. I am sure you remember the animosity his findings created.

Your poll is doomed to failure since mostly men are answering. Men are not in a position to divulge a lady's financial affairs since they do not know them.

Please stop speculating..it makes me question your agenda.

Actually leelee I have studied statistics & as I am currently taking University courses in psychology it helps to further my thesis by polling & recording responses.

This by no means constitutes an empirical study but rather as I titled it an "Opinion Poll".
It is only a corollary refection upon this trade but can actually contain a high percentage of truth in the response due to the anonymity of the voting process.

All should try & see this as an interesting value added topical commentary rather than a insult or invasion.

As this is all anonymous there is no personal impact & unless you take it personal can only serve to reduce ones ignorance.

The only reason I can see for being offended is if somebody has something to hide or does not want there to be any discussion on.

Cheers & happy thoughts everybody!

 

[jraf]

Thesis?

How could one even vote at the percentage of sp's collecting welfare? When nobody can even imagine how many woman we are talking about?

Right On!

This by no means constitutes an empirical study but rather as I titled it an "Opinion Poll".
It is only a corollary refection upon this trade but can actually contain a high percentage of truth in the response due to the anonymity of the voting process.

Sorry, this is not an opinion poll. Opinions come from knowledge. This is simply a guessing game. Which sp population are you referring to: Those operating within Victoria's CRD or those operating in the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver or the whole of BC, Canada,...? Are sp's and sw's equivalent?

To suggest there is anything academic here would be incorrect.

 

[Krustee]

Sorry, this is not an opinion poll. Opinions come from knowledge. This is simply a guessing game. Which sp population are you referring to: Those operating within Victoria's CRD or those operating in the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver or the whole of BC, Canada,...? Are sp's and sw's equivalent?

To suggest there is anything academic here would be incorrect.

Well you might have a valid point, if I had set some demographics.

But in this case I am not looking at analyzing any specific group but just general - random opinion.

To expect any manner of accurate demographic data from an anonymous board would be rather silly now would'nt it.

I also disagree with your assumption that an opinion requires any degree of professional knowledge, or any level of knowledge for that matter, because an opinion is just that, an off the cuff response from a person whether they have studied & there is prior imperical science behind it or not.

Opinions are more often from a persons personal philosophy than intrinsic knowledge.

But then, I realize the above, was in fact just your own opinion & I can appreciate that.

Happy days eh?

 

[ladyluck]

I'm with how Sarah put it.
I'm a bit insulted by the poll. reason's being is that I have received some nasty PM's on here, stating I'm on welfare. I know the person who's sending them personally. making up stupid allegations against me.
I have 2 children, 16 and 19 yrs old. Tell me how the hell do you think I'd be able to collect welfare. I'm not trying to justify myself in any means. I think this poll is just out right ignorant. Perhaps there are some on welfare. Sarah said it best, who can survive on that type of income?
I did collect it when my boys were very young. But not for long as I was required to find a job after they turned a certain age. While during that time on assistance I went to school to graduate. I then later became a stripper, I did that for almost 10 yrs. Have had legit jobs in between that and now SP'ing.
Next there will be a poll,"do SP's do there taxes".
Yeesh. I do my taxes every year. I know the ins and outs about self employment. I learned the hard way when I was dancing and clueless about how to file, so for 6 yrs I didn't. They garnished my wages 100% no matter where in Canada I danced. I finally filed and got somewhere around $13,000 back from the government.
I file each year. I have many tax write offs, as well I pay into my CPP. I also invest into RRSP's.
If a girl just so happens to be doing this job and collecting to give her child/children a better life,does it or would it make her a bad person. Perhaps.
I think you guys are more worried about where your tax paying dollars go. How about go down to skid row, and worry about those that more then likely are collecting. Cause my tax dollars go towards them too.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

krustee..

passive aggressive, much?

 

[Krustee]

passive aggressive, much?

Not really, I just smoke a lot of crack!

 

[Avery]

...I'm a bit insulted by the poll...

Consider the source.

 

[SexyBoy]

Hey why not collect?

I am sure a lot of people would if they could.

 

[FortunateOne]

skewed results from misleading choices.

OK - so far the poll indicates that of the 16 who voted, as of 12:30am March 2, 50% of the voters believe that at least 40% of the SP's are collecting welfare in addition to their courtesan coinage.

That is surprising as 4 of the above metioned voters actually believe that 60-100% of SP's are on Welfare.

Judging by the opinions expressed thus far it is safe to say that the readers think 40.625% (the mean average) are on welfare.

Should be interesting to see the results in a week.

I find the poll choices are skewed towards a specific result, i.e. that the result must be that the majority of voters think that the majority of sps collect welfare. Otherwise why make one of the choices, 10-40%. That is a lot of wiggle room, and you've used it to justify a remark. It is possible that the majority of respondents believe that only 10-15% of sps collect welfare but due to the breakdown you have chosen, can only vote in the 10-40% range.

Anyway, the real reason for this and another poll is mostly about trying to get sps to lower their rates, which is a common theme with some of your posts in other threads. If most are collecting welfare, then most can afford to lower their rates, right. yawn. Most sps rates have not changed at all in several years. Most pooners receive more services for the same rate charge 5 or 6 years ago where most sps would have added on charges for gfe services. Now you can get everything included in one rate, and the gfe services are assumed not requested.

Like other "hobbies" this is one that you must be able to afford at the rates that are being charged, not at what you would like to spend. Not too many classic car collectors say "gee, well if the prices of those 60's corvettes would just come down a little, I could afford more of them!!"

 

[jraf]

Not

But in this case I am not looking at analyzing any specific group but just general - random opinion.

To expect any manner of accurate demographic data from an anonymous board would be rather silly now would'nt it.

a) you are not eliciting an opinion, simply a guess.
b) polls, by there very nature, are anonymous, otherwise accuracy is suspect, or are you implying that there is a lack of awareness/competence/ability in this board to have opinions?

I also disagree with your assumption that an opinion requires any degree of professional knowledge, or any level of knowledge for that matter, because an opinion is just that, an off the cuff response from a person whether they have studied & there is prior imperical science behind it or not.

Opinions are more often from a persons personal philosophy than intrinsic knowledge.

Professional knowledge isn't the issue, knowledge is. Personal philosophy shapes our opinion, but it doesn't create the opinion.

What's your opinion regarding the effect that the Japanese "metabolist" movement has on modern architecture?
What's your opinion as to who will be Canada's prime minister in 2027?
What's your opinion as to the % of frogs that are hermaphrodytes?
What's your opinion as to the % of sp's that collect welfare)

Without doing some groundwork providing you with some basis for forming an opinion, you have no opinion, you can only hazard a guess. Guesses aren't opinions.


Aren't you glad you weren't one of my students when I was a professor?

 

[Krustee]

b) polls, by there very nature, are anonymous, otherwise accuracy is suspect, or are you implying that there is a lack of awareness/competence/ability in this board to have opinions?

First off it's their not there.
Secondly, not all polls are anonymous.
The individuals who partake in a poll may be anonymous but the demographic the opinions represent send a strong indicator of the views of an area, group age, social standing etc.

Being an educated man I would have thought you were aware of this.

are you implying that there is a lack of awareness/competence/ability in this board to have opinions?

WTF???
Have you actually read my previous statements?
You don't need to have prior knowledge to have an opinion, it is wise to obtain some knowledge before forming an opinion but just take a look at the US & Canadian voting of leaders into office & you will have all the evidence you need to prove that there is very little thought given to peoples opinions.

a) you are not eliciting an opinion, simply a guess.

See above

Professional knowledge isn't the issue, knowledge is. Personal philosophy shapes our opinion, but it doesn't create the opinion.

Did you actually think about this before you wrote it?

o·pin·ion - [uh-pin-yuhn]
–noun

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.

What's your opinion regarding the effect that the Japanese "metabolist" movement has on modern architecture?
What's your opinion as to who will be Canada's prime minister in 2027?
What's your opinion as to the % of frogs that are hermaphrodytes?

"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn".

What's your opinion as to the % of sp's that collect welfare)

Not very ethical now is it?

Without doing some groundwork providing you with some basis for forming an opinion, you have no opinion, you can only hazard a guess. Guesses aren't opinions.

See above.

Aren't you glad you weren't one of my students when I was a professor?

As a matter of fact YES!

Based on your above commentary, you seem a bit "out to lunch" or your elevator does'nt go to the top floor.

 

[jraf]

Thanks for the spell check and proving my point.