One day death toll in US past 1000 for COVID-19

[Horn_dawg]

COVID-19 now killed twice the number of people in one day compared to the worst day in 2017/2018 flu season in US. The 2017/2018 is the worst flu season in the last decade.

Death toll is expected to reach over 2200/day in mid April according to a U. of Washington model.

Anyone still think COVID-19 is not a big deal, because it has killed less people than the seasonal flu, please put up their hand.

 

[westwoody]

Covid killing off idiots who deny its severity would be great.

Too bad the idiots will spread it and kill others.

 

[overdone]

you're also talking about the most useless administration ever

they've basically done nothing for 3 months to flatten the curve, they still aren't doing what they could/should

what would it be if they had done what other countries, even 3rd world countries did/are doing now?

he's only slightly started to care when his staff told him he's probably going to lose cause of all the deaths that are going to occur

he's on track to become the deadliest president in the last 100 years, including all the wartime ones

using the US as an example at this time, come on?

bottom-line

people aren't dying at the same numbers world-wide, yet, as they do of the flu

fact

not to mention, we don't really have any accurate numbers of who has it and didn't die, really, they aren't even testing people, how many have it and don't know, aren't even showing symptoms

people don't take the flu seriously, don't care about all those who die from it, just look at the uptake of the shot

so, you think this is so much worse, fine

it's more contagious, deadly, not yet, world-wide

Trumps incompetence, maybe there it will be worse than the flu

8/10 are fine so far, vulnerable, it's deadly, so's the flu, but no one gives a shit about them every year

they're just a cost of doing business

if others cared so much, the flu would get the same concern, it doesn't, it's just as deadly for those who are vulnerable to it

perception, kinda like Trump, he didn't care, until it affected his re-election chances

same with the flu, no one cares till they have issues with it

this is affecting peoples ability to live normally, that's why people care

Flu, that's someone else's problem

when it's over, do you think it will have killed as many as the flu, seen estimates of up to 800,000 world wide yearly, low estimate are even 3-400,000

just googled it, this is at 50,000 or so, today

that's with it going on 4 months or so, depending on which stat you believe from Trudeau's favourite Commie Country

and that's with incompetent leaders at virtually every level in almost every government around the world

 

[wetnose]

Meanwhile in Florida, church services are considered to be essential and still going on. (!)

Georgia's governor had a press conference and he confessed that he didn't know that asymptomatic transmission was possible.

Phoenix, the 5th largest city in the US, is still business as usual.

11 states in the US still don't have stay-at-home orders.

 

[Horn_dawg]

you're also talking about the most useless administration ever

they've basically done nothing for 3 months to flatten the curve, they still aren't doing what they could/should

what would it be if they had done what other countries, even 3rd world countries did/are doing now?

he's only slightly started to care when his staff told him he's probably going to lose cause of all the deaths that are going to occur

he's on track to become the deadliest president in the last 100 years, including all the wartime ones

using the US as an example at this time, come on?

bottom-line

people aren't dying at the same numbers world-wide, yet, as they do of the flu

fact

not to mention, we don't really have any accurate numbers of who has it and didn't die, really, they aren't even testing people, how many have it and don't know, aren't even showing symptoms

people don't take the flu seriously, don't care about all those who die from it, just look at the uptake of the shot

so, you think this is so much worse, fine

it's more contagious, deadly, not yet, world-wide

Trumps incompetence, maybe there it will be worse than the flu

8/10 are fine so far, vulnerable, it's deadly, so's the flu, but no one gives a shit about them every year

they're just a cost of doing business

if others cared so much, the flu would get the same concern, it doesn't, it's just as deadly for those who are vulnerable to it

perception, kinda like Trump, he didn't care, until it affected his re-election chances

same with the flu, no one cares till they have issues with it

this is affecting peoples ability to live normally, that's why people care

Flu, that's someone else's problem

when it's over, do you think it will have killed as many as the flu, seen estimates of up to 800,000 world wide yearly, low estimate are even 3-400,000

just googled it, this is at 50,000 or so, today

that's with it going on 4 months or so, depending on which stat you believe from Trudeau's favourite Commie Country

and that's with incompetent leaders at virtually every level in almost every government around the world

Thanks for raising your hand, Overdone.

To answer your question whether COVID-19 is going to kill more people than the flu in a typical year, that depends on the measures in place and how people follow those measures. If no measures are in place, then no doubt the number of deaths from COVID-19 will far out pace the numbers die from the flu. Obviously that will not happen given the extraordinary measures governments around the world are taking.

How about we compare apples to apples. I am certain that the number of people that die from COVID-19, from now to the rest of this year, will far exceed the number of deaths from seasonal flu, unless of course if a cure or vaccine is widely available before then. Are you willing to make a bet on this? Loser has to donate money to a charity of the winner's choice with prove, or get permanently banned from Perb.

 

[zaphod42]

Folks,

Too many people are taking the computer models of this for gospel.
Maybe check out this video, and at least question some things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkJELpndAOs

Does the virus exist - yes. Is it going to kill millions - Maybe, but unlikely.
Officials, and medical experts can't get on the same page on that.

If the virus is so deadly, why isn't everything shut down. Daily flights are still coming in daily (have been for weeks, and continue to) from Australia, Japan, Korea, China, Europe and the US.

The numbers just don't add up.

That said - I suspect there will be blow back on this post. Which is fine. I've now blocked 100 people on Perb as I don't like the hypocrisy I've seen on many posts. A lot of follow the crowd (mob ) mentality going on out there as well. I guess its easier to jump on the wagon that do some thinking and investigation for one's self.

Bottom line. I'm signing out, and that's it for me. It's been a nice place, but things here are a little too toxic now.

I do hope everyone stays safe and stays well.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.
Z

 

[Horn_dawg]

Folks,

Too many people are taking the computer models of this for gospel.
Maybe check out this video, and at least question some things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkJELpndAOs

Does the virus exist - yes. Is it going to kill millions - Maybe, but unlikely.
Officials, and medical experts can't get on the same page on that.

If the virus is so deadly, why isn't everything shut down. Daily flights are still coming in daily (have been for weeks, and continue to) from Australia, Japan, Korea, China, Europe and the US.

The numbers just don't add up.

That said - I suspect there will be blow back on this post. Which is fine. I've now blocked 100 people on Perb as I don't like the hypocrisy I've seen on many posts. A lot of follow the crowd (mob ) mentality going on out there as well. I guess its easier to jump on the wagon that do some thinking and investigation for one's self.

Bottom line. I'm signing out, and that's it for me. It's been a nice place, but things here are a little too toxic now.

I do hope everyone stays safe and stays well.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.
Z

It is a shame you are signing out, you seem to want reasonable discussion which I stride for as well.

One comment about that video though, just because one news agency used an incorrect footage for a story, whether on purpose or by accident, does not mean the information from WHO, Health Canada, or any other health organization are bogus. I am all for questioning the information and the sources.

As far as officials and medical experts not on the same page, when has government officials and scientists ever been on the same page. What we are seeing now, is actually unprecedented level of agreement. That should tell us something.

With respect to daily flights, that has mostly been shut down now. Non-Canadians are banned from entering the country unless for essential services. You cannot just shut everything off instantly, and some things can't be shut down at all due to the hugely connected food, energy, other goods; network that the world has built and rely on.

Look at what is happening in India when they shut down the businesses with 4 hours notice - they now have hundreds of thousands of poor out of work people from the city trying to return to their villages, in huge crowds. Talk about a ticking timebomb!

When you say the numbers don't add up, what numbers specifically are you talking about?


In any case, take care and stay safe (and sane). Don't forget your towel!

 

[overdone]

How about we compare apples to apples. I am certain that the number of people that die from COVID-19, from now to the rest of this year, will far exceed the number of deaths from seasonal flu, unless of course if a cure or vaccine is widely available before then. Are you willing to make a bet on this? Loser has to donate money to a charity of the winner's choice with prove, or get permanently banned from Perb.

I will be surprised, despite the world's failure to react properly, timely at every turn possible

I would think it will still be under 1 million, since virtually all travel has been stopped

why would you bet on people dying? really?

my point has been, all along, look at the irrational emotion involved

you're getting it from the gov't/experts in some cases

when what we need is adults


just look at the overdoses, it's still going on, report out of BC a day or so ago, no one cares

no one cared when it was the top of the newsinfortainment cycle

cause it doesn't affect them


you think I'm wrong, look at Turdeau, when did he start to really act

after his wife came home with it

this disease was imported here, apathy let it in

common sense and rational behaviour will send it packing

not overreacting

people don't listen when you say the sky is falling and then it doesn't

which is what has been happening for weeks

just wait till people start to run out of money in a few weeks

cause despite what people think, even Trudeau won't be able to throw money around in the kind of numbers needed

not that our government will be able to do it in a timely manner, they are already saying businesses will be waiting till May/June

not to mention all the people who don't qualify under their moronic convoluted rules/form system


but hey, at least we don't have the Great Pumpkin

we got Zoolander the Sock Model!!!

 

[Horn_dawg]

you're also talking about the most useless administration ever

they've basically done nothing for 3 months to flatten the curve, they still aren't doing what they could/should

what would it be if they had done what other countries, even 3rd world countries did/are doing now?

he's only slightly started to care when his staff told him he's probably going to lose cause of all the deaths that are going to occur

he's on track to become the deadliest president in the last 100 years, including all the wartime ones

using the US as an example at this time, come on?

That is precisely why using US as an example is appropriate. Because US has not put in the proper measures earlier, COVID-19 has been allowed to spread, which demonstrates its potential. And US has taken actions, just not enough and a bit late. Yet, the numbers are exploding.

bottom-line

people aren't dying at the same numbers world-wide, yet, as they do of the flu

fact

Actually, according to WHO figures, 4924 people died from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours. The estimated number of people who die from flu each year is ~650,000. That is an average of 1780 per day. As of today, the number of people who died from COVID-19 is almost 3 times the average for flu. COVID-19 is still gaining steam.

If we liken this to a 100 meter dash, the flu was running at the 30 meters mark while COVID-19 was tying its shoes at the starting line, The flu has now reached the 50 meters mark, but COVID-19 already blew past it and is now at 60 meters mark.

 

[Horn_dawg]

I will be surprised, despite the world's failure to react properly, timely at every turn possible

I would think it will still be under 1 million, since virtually all travel has been stopped

why would you bet on people dying? really?

1) The bet has absolutely zero influence on the outcome. On the other hand, keep denying the seriousness and risk of COVID-19 can get more people killed. A bet on death may seem distasteful, but in this case it is for the greater good.
2) I do not benefit monetarily from the bet, the money goes to charity.
3) It shows whether we are confident of our viewpoints.
4) If the losing party reneges, the winning party doesn't have to listen to the BS from the losing party (yes, I know you think I am full of BS, and likewise).

So, yeah, why not a bet.

you think I'm wrong, look at Turdeau, when did he start to really act

after his wife came home with it

this disease was imported here, apathy let it in

common sense and rational behaviour will send it packing

not overreacting

LOL. You say don't overreact. Be honest here, what would you have said if Trudeau had closed the border and don't let anyone in the country (which by the way hasn't happen yet), when there were zero cases of COVID-19 in Canada. I would love to see your rant if that had happened.

people don't listen when you say the sky is falling and then it doesn't

which is what has been happening for weeks

Exactly your attitude regarding climate crisis...


Anyways, I try to base everything I say on facts, as we know them from the most reputable sources, and rational debate when there are different viewpoints.

 

[overdone]

Exactly your attitude regarding climate crisis...


Anyways, I try to base everything I say on facts, as we know them from the most reputable sources, and rational debate when there are different viewpoints.

and how's that going?

emissions are going down now, because of their moronic statements that the world is going to end in 13 years?

no, cause the world in is in a recession

they'll go up once this is gone

Facts, lol

you're using the US, an anomaly because of a mentally unstable man in charge

he said yesterday, he's not responsible, again, he called the states a bunch of whiners who are responsible for the issue

the Republician Governor of Georgia, said at a press conference yesterday that "they didn't know that a person could not have symptoms, but still be contagious, until 24hrs ago"

the US represents 25% of the confirmed cases, despite their failure to test, their failure to act, their lack of leadership

look at the facts

the G7, that's where most of the cases are right now, Italy, US, Canada, France, Germany, UK, add China, which has it under control, then Spain

look at those countries, Italy, banana republic since WW2, US, enough said, France, Marcron, not much better, UK, really stable lately, Spain, their gov't has been a disaster for the last decade too
even Germany, not exactly up to their normal gov't lately

and despite that, 54,000 dead, around 68% in those G7 countries, with Spain

now add in Iran, China, it's almost all

except the US, they are all basically stable, declining

California, where they have an adult in charge, they are actually seeing results, because they imposed self-isolation measures
they're basically a Canada, they're not much worse off than us at this point


like the climate crisis, which isn't being helped by irrational behaviour

neither will this

facts, lol, yeah, sure

54,000 out of 7+Billion

how many depends are you going thru in a day?

 

[overdone]

LOL. You say don't overreact. Be honest here, what would you have said if Trudeau had closed the border and don't let anyone in the country (which by the way hasn't happen yet), when there were zero cases of COVID-19 in Canada. I would love to see your rant if that had happened.

lol, maybe Trumpf will start acting like a President before Nov too!

you should at least keep your delusions in this universe, lol

how would he poll that? which committee would be set up to figure out what part of the electorate he would have to bribe to be in favour of it?
which pair of socks would he wear when announcing it?

facts, lol

reality, lol

I'd have to get a pair of depends for that!!

Trudeau taking action, leading, lol

while we're talking jokes


how many days did you think it took for him to rehearse for that regurgitation of the Quantum computer bit? lol

not to mention the plant to ask him the question, lol

 

[Horn_dawg]

Clearly it is not possible to have a rational discussion with you, Overdone. So I will ask you a very simple question.

Do you think, starting from today till the end of the year, will there be more deaths due to COVID-19 than seasonal flu, worldwide. Yes or No.

I say yes, even if a cure or vaccine is found soon. What do you say, Yes or No?

 

[overdone]

I would think it will still be under 1 million, since virtually all travel has been stopped

if you would have read, I already said what I believe it will be this yr ^^^^^

since the flu kills basically the same or less, I'll let you take your socks off to do the math




rational, you mean like they got in Italy, where they basically wrote off anyone over 60 who got it?

or

the people in NYC who are in cardiac arrest who can't be revived in the field, they are being told to let them die, not to take them to a hospital?

or how about

all the people being left on the sidelines who have issues that could cause their death?

due to not having surgery?

chemo?

healthcare

so, 3-4 months, 55,000 deaths probably by this time of day

out of 7 billion

rational?

nothing about this has been rational

that's the whole fucking problem

 

[Horn_dawg]

I would think it will still be under 1 million, since virtually all travel has been stopped

if you would have read, I already said what I believe it will be this yr ^^^^^

since the flu kills basically the same or less, I'll let you take your socks off to do the math




rational, you mean like they got in Italy, where they basically wrote off anyone over 60 who got it?

or

the people in NYC who are in cardiac arrest who can't be revived in the field, they are being told to let them die, not to take them to a hospital?

or how about

all the people being left on the sidelines who have issues that could cause their death?

due to not having surgery?

chemo?

so, 3-4 months, 55,000 deaths probably by this time of day

out of 7 billion

rational?

nothing about this has been rational

that's the whole fucking problem

You can't even answer a simple Yes or No question. Once again, do you think there will be more death due to COVID-19 worldwide than seasonal flu, for the remainder of this year?

 

[overdone]

You can't even answer a simple Yes or No question. Once again, do you think there will be more death due to COVID-19 worldwide than seasonal flu, for the remainder of this year?

do you need a map to the nearest ESL course? lol

of course you'll have to wait till next yr for it to be back up and running

I already said what I think it will be, twice

along with what the number of flu deaths are

do you need The Count from Sesame Street to help you get the answer? :eyebrows:

who helps you tie your shoe or are they velcro? :suspicious: