oh no!!!!
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Only with links to the appropriate info to back up your claims. And if the official governing body sees fit to grant you license to argue your case.luv-em-n-lv-em said:
As I said I did not see the post before it was deleted.. I assumed it must have had something to do with her decision.. I did not want her to stop posting so that is why I started writing... which got me thinking of other situations.. some of them happened to me some of them I simply witnessed.. so I wrote about those tooOTBn said:
and just went from there. I seperated both "thoughts" by a little ------ but I can see how you got the impression it was directed at yourself and Lebeau.. it was not. The examples I brought up were different occurences that are not related to you.. sorry if it wasn't clear. -------
p next thought.. not about anyone specific, just general.)The purpose of my post certainly was not to attack anyone, I wanted to get it out and was hoping it got some ppl thinking next time they're in a similar situation.. I think the ladies who post here add to this board, there is value to what they say and what they think.. Even if some of you dream that this place could be an exclusive boy club.. it is not. A lot of us can't discuss much about our occupation or speak openly on related topics with ppl around us and I assume it's much the same for most of you as well.. that's a big part of why I am here.
But the fact that it is anonymous (for you guys anyway) should not be an excuse for some of the behaviors or comments. But the bottom line is that there will always be trolls, always be some who feel it's acceptable to disrespect and there will always be some stupid ppl out there.. can't do much about that. The point is that they wouldn't stay too long or keep doing it if we didn't let them.
Not always - but a lot of times, we (SP's) end up at the other end and I was trying to explain , my frustration at the lack of reaction from the peanut gallery.. when things got too far or comments made are way out of line. It's for all of us.. really. If you think it when reading someone's bashing post, write back and say it!
There's no reason there should be this much bashing on here.. so when getting pumped up and frustrated, we should all take a deep breath, step away from the computer, then come back and reply with a clear head... after all this is an message board about ppl who love to have sex & do it all the time with each other, you'd think we'd all be chill and relax...? I`m not surprised that Isabelle decided to become a non-active member.
She was a shining star that attracted too much of the thug element`s attention, those that believe women should not have a voice.
She tried to shrug off their attacks, but you can only take so much of that.
DeaAphrodite just posted of her similiar reaction in this thread https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=580270#post580270 , which is to step back from posting, even though she feels she has something to contribute.
Of all the SP`s on this board, only TTT has been able to hold her own, and even thrive. This is because she has a very thick skin, and the devastating ability to tear down the thugs with her sense of humour. It takes guts to deal with all those "haters".
It will be very interesting to see TTT and Isabelle`s foray into the petri dish that is the "other" board.
She was a shining star that attracted too much of the thug element`s attention, those that believe women should not have a voice.
She tried to shrug off their attacks, but you can only take so much of that.
DeaAphrodite just posted of her similiar reaction in this thread https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=580270#post580270 , which is to step back from posting, even though she feels she has something to contribute.
Of all the SP`s on this board, only TTT has been able to hold her own, and even thrive. This is because she has a very thick skin, and the devastating ability to tear down the thugs with her sense of humour. It takes guts to deal with all those "haters".
It will be very interesting to see TTT and Isabelle`s foray into the petri dish that is the "other" board.
Well it would help if more of the guys here stepped up to offer support for the ladies when the ugly few get out of hand. Sadly though, I guess a lot of the crap comes via PM. Unfortunately at the moment the ugly few seem to be almost the only ones left here with any significant voice and the ability to not follow the crowd.totravel said:
oh no
What chilli said, delete the personal attacks, or start a flame war forum and those that want to go at it, can. The rest of can look in once in while and have a good laugh, while being glad they have their own sandbox. Ladies keep on posting, express your opinions and don't put with any bulls**t. After all if it wasn't for the ladies who pay to advertise on this site and others like it, would these sites exist ? It's our money, we pay you, that you pay to whoever, that supports these sites. So why can't we all just enjoy the site as much as we enjoy the activities that make it possible ?
What chilli said, delete the personal attacks, or start a flame war forum and those that want to go at it, can. The rest of can look in once in while and have a good laugh, while being glad they have their own sandbox. Ladies keep on posting, express your opinions and don't put with any bulls**t. After all if it wasn't for the ladies who pay to advertise on this site and others like it, would these sites exist ? It's our money, we pay you, that you pay to whoever, that supports these sites. So why can't we all just enjoy the site as much as we enjoy the activities that make it possible ?
I don't really know what caused Isabelle's exit but from previous threads of the ilk described by her and Miss Bijou, I can surmise the type of things that would get someone so fed up they just feel like leaving.
I get pretty sick of PERB at times, too. It has been worse, though. I think we all need to take a deep breath and realize that the pendulum will swing back again ... it has in the past.
The thoughtful posters will win out.
Moderators are a necessary evil on any anonymous posting forum but they don't cause the tone of a board.
We do.
This board has enough strength to survive a negative swing.
If I were you, Isabelle, I'd do what you are doing but I'd tell myself that I should feel free to come back. We need you. We need the Bijou's, the TTT's, the Dea's, CLM's, VV's, Victoria Roses, etc. Without your thoughtful gals, this would degenerate into a bunch of guys at the urinals comparing their dicks. I, for one, would hate it (can't stand public urinals with all the pee on the floor ... why is it some guys can't shake it in the place it's supposed to be shaken?).
The positive-minded (but not apple polishing) pooners should speak out more. I know I should, too. By that I mean the intelligent guys on here that carefully analyze an issue brought up by an SP (or commented on by one) but don't attack their personality or occupation. They are the real strength of this board. We need the ToTravel's, Love-em-n-lv-em's, GBM's, JJinVan's, LutherBlissett's , etc. and a whole bunch more that should come out from behind their side of the escort door.
Going to a wild-ass quasi-unmoderated board is not the answer.
The Brits made tea in the bomb shelters.
Put on the kettle.
I get pretty sick of PERB at times, too. It has been worse, though. I think we all need to take a deep breath and realize that the pendulum will swing back again ... it has in the past.
The thoughtful posters will win out.
Moderators are a necessary evil on any anonymous posting forum but they don't cause the tone of a board.
We do.
This board has enough strength to survive a negative swing.
If I were you, Isabelle, I'd do what you are doing but I'd tell myself that I should feel free to come back. We need you. We need the Bijou's, the TTT's, the Dea's, CLM's, VV's, Victoria Roses, etc. Without your thoughtful gals, this would degenerate into a bunch of guys at the urinals comparing their dicks. I, for one, would hate it (can't stand public urinals with all the pee on the floor ... why is it some guys can't shake it in the place it's supposed to be shaken?).
The positive-minded (but not apple polishing) pooners should speak out more. I know I should, too. By that I mean the intelligent guys on here that carefully analyze an issue brought up by an SP (or commented on by one) but don't attack their personality or occupation. They are the real strength of this board. We need the ToTravel's, Love-em-n-lv-em's, GBM's, JJinVan's, LutherBlissett's
, etc. and a whole bunch more that should come out from behind their side of the escort door.Going to a wild-ass quasi-unmoderated board is not the answer.
The Brits made tea in the bomb shelters.
Put on the kettle.
I, for one, would very much miss the ladies' input and perspective on this board. Isabelle's threads were always a delight to read and I do appreciate Devil's Advocates.
Unfortunately, anonymous boards attract the full range from the intelligent and incivise to the craven and cowardly.
Unfortunately, anonymous boards attract the full range from the intelligent and incivise to the craven and cowardly.
You want to see my "credentials?" Sorry, I only show my credentials to hot chicks.sdw said:
A way to measure a woman's hotness is with ice, whipped cream, and strawberries. Or you could use butter if you're into the bigger gals.
Much Speculation....End of Story.
I swore I wouldn't post again, but since I'm the one being discussed... what the hell...
The reason why I left is that perb is simply not fun anymore. Most (by no means all) of the people I enjoyed interacting with have left this board for another board. I still lurk here as there are many poster's whose threads, comments and PMs I enjoy reading and sending. But frankly, the other board has a lot of the shinning stars and it seems to self moderate better than this one, in that board members STICK UP for each other, rather than stand back and let the dinks, dorks, nags & trolls cut people down.
I don't always agree with some of the decisions the mods make, but I have personally never had a problem with them at all. I am very disappointed to loose some of my faves though (Grav's crankiness, JJ's intelligence & insight), and I think many problem posters go unnoticed and unchecked by the mods.
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I don't have copies of the thread that was deleted so I can't quote but I can paraphrase. This gist of it was this. I had an "I wonder" thought. And it was this....
Let's say "SexySuzy" (sp on a board) is harassed and/or bothered by another poster (SuperDink). Let's say she PUBLICLY and via PMs let's SD know that she never wants to see him. He takes that as a challenge and decides to see her anyway, as she has no idea who he is in person, just his handle.
She finds out, via reviews or comments, that he's seem her DESPITE her saying she never wants to see him.
The point that I was trying to make/suggest was what should be done about this? I think BOARDS owe it to the SPs on here, who are publicly identifiable or reachable to ban offending members who use the board a way to harass SPs.
What I said about rape was this (gist again). That he sees her against her wishes stated on a review board, does NOT (nor should it) make it rape when he sees her in person because she consents at the time of the encounter.
*EDIT: I forgot to clarify my reasons for making the rape statement. My point was to preemptively state that I DO NOT think it is rape, because that is a conclusion that could be drawn from what I said in my post and I did NOT want people assuming that that is what I meant and getting all bent out of shape. I have since been informed that it is actually rape, but that is beside the point as that is NOT what I was saying
OTBn & LB declared that by even mentioning the word rape, that I was (I can't remember the exact phrasing) posing an (unethetical/polarising/emotional hightened?) thread/question. They then ranted and raved about it, COMPLETELY missing my point.
SIMPLY, I got fucking fed up with these two nags hijacking my threads, twisting my meaning and intentions. So I closed it. It's not a serious issue folks. I just hate having to constantly justify my thoughts, posts, actions on a review board to two people just because the have a beef with me. I actually prefer MustanJoe and CalgaryPooner.
MustangJoe even commented in my thread, because his comments about seeing Tianna a visit after she's said she doesn't want to see him, where the inspiration for the thread....Let me make this perfectly clear....MustangJoe is a selfproclaimed asshole who uses perb as a means for venting. I do not think he is a threat to anyone, nor do I think he is likely to be that much of an asshole in person. He was simply the inspiration for a "what if" idea. He commented in the thread about this, and I countered with what I just said above in blue. Just for the record.
LB and OTBn are now trotting out my "rape" thread since it has been deleted, and I get the impression they are trying to imply that I made some allegation about rape or some other hysterical SP victimization exclamation. And since I'm not here to defend myself, they can hint at whatever they want. NIIIIICE!
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OTBn & LB think far too much of their own impact on my decision to pack up and leave. They were a pain in my ass, but nothing more than that, they certainly didn't drive me away personally, BUT they are they "type" of posters that I've grown tired of. PETTY PETTY PETTY SMALL MINDED PEOPLE who want to impose their views and opinions on others and fankly NAG more than my mother ever did at the height of menopause.
OTBn In all honestly I doubt that OTBn is a guy, there is something about his comments that make me think he might be some princess's male alter ego as he answered all of the questions posed to her in the periods thread, quoting a site that has a clear feminist agenda, that has dubious scientific, medical or ethical credibility. OTBn.... the test you think should be done is HIGHLY UNETHICAL and would NEVER EVER happen. But I get the impression that you don't know what you are talking about (I'm not saying that I do, but I have asked people that I know in the medical community what they thought of the site and they laughed their asses off) so it doesn't surprise me that you are YAPPING about it. You argued that there is no feminist agenda, BULLSHIT, they site you quote is the perfect example! The science is questionable AT BEST and their's is a clear agenda. You are a fool if you think that doctor's are without political agendas. Look at the Dr's on the religious right that come out against abortion, when EVERY OTHER medically sound opinion generally states the opposite. Even if you aren't Julia, you are still a fool, and a nagging one at best.
If you recall, I stated that my information was not current on the subject as it had been YEARS since I had talked about the issue with my doctor and done research, as I am not even able to take the pill. I said that very clearly. I also said I didn't have the time or inclination to do the research. I don't, I have a life. Everything that I had heard & read in the past was clear that there were no problems with it OTHER than those that already noted as hazzards if one is taking the pill in the normal 21/7 program. That you only quote a local source, with a clear agenda, also means you have no idea what you are talking about either so STFU already and quit NAGGING me into ever thread I post on. I don't owe you an answer, and I am entitled to my opinion on an ESCORT review board. This is not a medical forum! Get a life Julia or whoever you are.
LeBeau. The giant hypocrite. First you call me passive aggressive and vindictive (uh hello pot, you're black too!) for telling the reviewer who said my pictures were not of me that I was pissed about that statement. Then you love me and think I'm a sweetheart and want to see me. Then you hate me because after questioning me about what I would do if I ever got pregnant by a client (morning afterpill if condoms ever fail/break/etc, OR RU486, or surgical abortion if I ever do get pregnant). ALL BECAUSE.... you believe that if an SP that you see regularly got pregnant you would sue to to have a paternity test IMMEDIATELY, if it was yours you would take her to court to make her carry the child, take her to court to make sure she give up escorting and any possibly damaging lifestyle choices, and sue for custody if she wasn't a good enough mother. ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?! Talk about hypocracy?! YOU are on an escort review board with notions like that? WTF?!!
Anyway folk, some of you, and certainly OTBn and LeBeau will take my little rant to mean they are the reason why I left. They are a colossal pain in my ass, but certainly NOT the reason why I left. Let me restate.... PERB IS JUST NOT FUN ANYMORE! And the nags, PC thought police and trolls outweigh the good posters. Many of you I will miss interacting with, and I'd love to keep in contact via PMs, email etc etc. And I will still read perb. I just choose not to WASTE my time having to justify my OPINIONS on an ESCORT REVIEW BOARD to people of NO CONSEQUENCE.
Thanks for listening.
I swore I wouldn't post again, but since I'm the one being discussed... what the hell...
The reason why I left is that perb is simply not fun anymore. Most (by no means all) of the people I enjoyed interacting with have left this board for another board. I still lurk here as there are many poster's whose threads, comments and PMs I enjoy reading and sending. But frankly, the other board has a lot of the shinning stars and it seems to self moderate better than this one, in that board members STICK UP for each other, rather than stand back and let the dinks, dorks, nags & trolls cut people down.
I don't always agree with some of the decisions the mods make, but I have personally never had a problem with them at all. I am very disappointed to loose some of my faves though (Grav's crankiness, JJ's intelligence & insight), and I think many problem posters go unnoticed and unchecked by the mods.
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I don't have copies of the thread that was deleted so I can't quote but I can paraphrase. This gist of it was this. I had an "I wonder" thought. And it was this....
Let's say "SexySuzy" (sp on a board) is harassed and/or bothered by another poster (SuperDink). Let's say she PUBLICLY and via PMs let's SD know that she never wants to see him. He takes that as a challenge and decides to see her anyway, as she has no idea who he is in person, just his handle.
She finds out, via reviews or comments, that he's seem her DESPITE her saying she never wants to see him.
The point that I was trying to make/suggest was what should be done about this? I think BOARDS owe it to the SPs on here, who are publicly identifiable or reachable to ban offending members who use the board a way to harass SPs.
What I said about rape was this (gist again). That he sees her against her wishes stated on a review board, does NOT (nor should it) make it rape when he sees her in person because she consents at the time of the encounter.
*EDIT: I forgot to clarify my reasons for making the rape statement. My point was to preemptively state that I DO NOT think it is rape, because that is a conclusion that could be drawn from what I said in my post and I did NOT want people assuming that that is what I meant and getting all bent out of shape. I have since been informed that it is actually rape, but that is beside the point as that is NOT what I was saying
OTBn & LB declared that by even mentioning the word rape, that I was (I can't remember the exact phrasing) posing an (unethetical/polarising/emotional hightened?) thread/question. They then ranted and raved about it, COMPLETELY missing my point.
SIMPLY, I got fucking fed up with these two nags hijacking my threads, twisting my meaning and intentions. So I closed it. It's not a serious issue folks. I just hate having to constantly justify my thoughts, posts, actions on a review board to two people just because the have a beef with me. I actually prefer MustanJoe and CalgaryPooner.
MustangJoe even commented in my thread, because his comments about seeing Tianna a visit after she's said she doesn't want to see him, where the inspiration for the thread....Let me make this perfectly clear....MustangJoe is a selfproclaimed asshole who uses perb as a means for venting. I do not think he is a threat to anyone, nor do I think he is likely to be that much of an asshole in person. He was simply the inspiration for a "what if" idea. He commented in the thread about this, and I countered with what I just said above in blue. Just for the record.
LB and OTBn are now trotting out my "rape" thread since it has been deleted, and I get the impression they are trying to imply that I made some allegation about rape or some other hysterical SP victimization exclamation. And since I'm not here to defend myself, they can hint at whatever they want. NIIIIICE!
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OTBn & LB think far too much of their own impact on my decision to pack up and leave. They were a pain in my ass, but nothing more than that, they certainly didn't drive me away personally, BUT they are they "type" of posters that I've grown tired of. PETTY PETTY PETTY SMALL MINDED PEOPLE who want to impose their views and opinions on others and fankly NAG more than my mother ever did at the height of menopause.
OTBn In all honestly I doubt that OTBn is a guy, there is something about his comments that make me think he might be some princess's male alter ego as he answered all of the questions posed to her in the periods thread, quoting a site that has a clear feminist agenda, that has dubious scientific, medical or ethical credibility. OTBn.... the test you think should be done is HIGHLY UNETHICAL and would NEVER EVER happen. But I get the impression that you don't know what you are talking about (I'm not saying that I do, but I have asked people that I know in the medical community what they thought of the site and they laughed their asses off) so it doesn't surprise me that you are YAPPING about it. You argued that there is no feminist agenda, BULLSHIT, they site you quote is the perfect example! The science is questionable AT BEST and their's is a clear agenda. You are a fool if you think that doctor's are without political agendas. Look at the Dr's on the religious right that come out against abortion, when EVERY OTHER medically sound opinion generally states the opposite. Even if you aren't Julia, you are still a fool, and a nagging one at best.
If you recall, I stated that my information was not current on the subject as it had been YEARS since I had talked about the issue with my doctor and done research, as I am not even able to take the pill. I said that very clearly. I also said I didn't have the time or inclination to do the research. I don't, I have a life. Everything that I had heard & read in the past was clear that there were no problems with it OTHER than those that already noted as hazzards if one is taking the pill in the normal 21/7 program. That you only quote a local source, with a clear agenda, also means you have no idea what you are talking about either so STFU already and quit NAGGING me into ever thread I post on. I don't owe you an answer, and I am entitled to my opinion on an ESCORT review board. This is not a medical forum! Get a life Julia or whoever you are.
LeBeau. The giant hypocrite. First you call me passive aggressive and vindictive (uh hello pot, you're black too!) for telling the reviewer who said my pictures were not of me that I was pissed about that statement. Then you love me and think I'm a sweetheart and want to see me. Then you hate me because after questioning me about what I would do if I ever got pregnant by a client (morning afterpill if condoms ever fail/break/etc, OR RU486, or surgical abortion if I ever do get pregnant). ALL BECAUSE.... you believe that if an SP that you see regularly got pregnant you would sue to to have a paternity test IMMEDIATELY, if it was yours you would take her to court to make her carry the child, take her to court to make sure she give up escorting and any possibly damaging lifestyle choices, and sue for custody if she wasn't a good enough mother. ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?! Talk about hypocracy?! YOU are on an escort review board with notions like that? WTF?!!
Anyway folk, some of you, and certainly OTBn and LeBeau will take my little rant to mean they are the reason why I left. They are a colossal pain in my ass, but certainly NOT the reason why I left. Let me restate.... PERB IS JUST NOT FUN ANYMORE! And the nags, PC thought police and trolls outweigh the good posters. Many of you I will miss interacting with, and I'd love to keep in contact via PMs, email etc etc. And I will still read perb. I just choose not to WASTE my time having to justify my OPINIONS on an ESCORT REVIEW BOARD to people of NO CONSEQUENCE.
Thanks for listening.
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Please stay...
Don't go away. I love reading your posts. You are bright, sexy, and beautiful. Of course many people will envy you because of that. Don't let them kill your spirit!!
Please stay, babe.
Don't go away. I love reading your posts. You are bright, sexy, and beautiful. Of course many people will envy you because of that. Don't let them kill your spirit!!
Please stay, babe.
I think that is her point. She is protecting her spirit!miss meiko said:
Isn't it selfish to try to get her to stay for your benefit?
Sorry, you’re making it up now… no one ranted and raved; perhaps Lebeau was more direct/pointed, but let’s wait to here from him directly. I simply suggested that by including your rape reference you coloured the point you were attempting to make. That’s it… nothing more than that; no matter what grandiose platform you’re attempting to carve out for yourself. It is unfortunate that we have to read your interpretation of what you wrote (“gist again”, “I can’t remember the exact phrasing”) - perhaps if you had left the thread up/intact…Indy Isabelle said:
Not sure where you’re coming from here… I’ve only (ever) previously interacted with you in 2 threads – the one you unfortunately deleted in your snit and the Continuous Hormonal Contraception (“periods”) thread.Indy Isabelle said:
I have no idea what you’re referencing to – again, perhaps if you had left the thread up/intact…Indy Isabelle said:
Frankly, you look silly. Sorry, I don’t know what interaction you and Lebeau have had. I’ve already stated the 2 threads where we’ve had interaction… and within those 2 threads I expect we may have directly interacted across, what, 3 or 4 actual posts? That’s a pain in your ass? 3 or 4 posts over 2 threads??? If it weren’t for Miss Bijou’s thread, your “up and leaving snit” would have mostly gone unnoticed. In your locked “I’m outa here thread” you clearly draw a causal link to Lebeau and I… but c’mon, really, with this thread you’re the one bringing attention to the situation and to yourself. Oh the drama!Indy Isabelle said:
Clearly, you have it wrong. I’ve previously stated nothing validates your (the ladies) presence here more than engaging in open and respectful debate/discussion. You’ve stated several times that is why you’re here (why you “were here”) - for open debate/discussion. Unfortunately, instead of standing firm and attempting to offer clarification or counter-points, you take offense should anyone actually question or challenge you. That’s your definition of open debate/discussion?Indy Isabelle said:
As I said, you’re making yourself look foolish. The site I referenced, that I linked to, is CeMCOR – the staff all appear to be highly reputable doctors, academics, nurses and researchers - their credentials are all available on their website (http://www.cemcor.ubc.ca/about/staff.shtml). How on earth you could infer they have a feminist agenda… what, because the staff is entirely female… they have a feminist agenda? Just because your boy, jj, doesn’t agree with what they have to sayIndy Isabelle said:
All I stated, all I ever stated, was that there don’t appear to be any long-term studies to validate the safety of the continuous hormonal option. I linked to the CeMCOR site and offered their article/assessment - http://www.cemcor.ubc.ca/articles/misc/manipulating_menstruation.shtmlIndy Isabelle said:
If there is a feminist agenda at play I would be interested in having you describe/detail it. Up until this post I’m not sure the point of feminism ever entered into the discussion; wait… that’s not correct; actually, it was yourself who made a blanket generalized statement about “feminist vulva medallion” types controlling woman’s contraception and menstruation options… a statement you made even before I offered up the CeMCOR website link/references.
LOL! There is a lot of debate out there on the subject… there are a lot of articles to be had on both sides of the debate. Do all medical professionals agree on everything? Of course not. So I quoted a local Vancouver source (CeMCOR) – so what; again, I would be interested in hearing why you feel they have an agenda… a feminist agenda, as you say.Indy Isabelle said:
Suck it up… validate your call for open debate/discussion by, uhhhh, actually debating and discussing. Drama never looks good on anyone.
Well, I did ask her to stay, but not for me, personally. I'm not that important!!luv-em-n-lv-em said:
I'm asking her to stay around, because many people like reading her posts; myself for example. Also suggest her to stay and not let OBTn kills her spirit or at least try to knock her spirit down as he pleases. Basically, just asking her to be strong...just stay around and watching the guy goes nuts over his own opinion about her.
She is smart, strong, sexy and beautiful, so can survive. We, women tend to stay together...empowering each other!!
Life is great!!
I agree, but the choice is hers, I can see her reasons, but if she can, not allow it to get under her beautiful skin, she'll be ok. Maybe she just needs to back up regroup and recharge for a bit. She'll aways be tops in my opinion what ever she chooses.miss meiko said:
But I will say, its our loss guys, this is a good place to get a women's view point on things. Sure you can ask a non SP, but somehow you don't get the straight goods or they 'don't want to talk about it'. Call me niave maybe, but I 'trust' a majority of the comments that are made here by the ladies here.
Quote from Cemcor's mission page at: http://www.cemcor.ubc.ca/about/index.shtmlOTBn said:
The bolded words suggest the presence of bias/agenda. Whether it is a feminist bias or something else, I leave to the interpretation of others who are better versed on these matters.
Telling it straight
Thanks, Nube! I like your perspective.
I have found that being engaged in this occupation has made me much more comfortable and open about discussing difficult or awkward subjects (and provided lots of practice doing it!). So yeah, if someone asks about X and I think I can contribute, I will tell it like it is. No agenda, no personal interest - just sharing information, teaching and learning.
As well, most sp's have gone places and done things that the average person will never experience or understand. We pretty much have to get over being squeamish or delicate in our sensibilities.
However, that is not to say we don't have feelings. We are no less human or womanly than the "civilian" women you meet or love. If anything, we are more vulnerable, because we choose to put ourselves out there for you gentlemen, and are therefore targets. Yes, we need to grow "thick skins", but that only goes so far.
nube said:
Thanks, Nube! I like your perspective.
I have found that being engaged in this occupation has made me much more comfortable and open about discussing difficult or awkward subjects (and provided lots of practice doing it!). So yeah, if someone asks about X and I think I can contribute, I will tell it like it is. No agenda, no personal interest - just sharing information, teaching and learning.
As well, most sp's have gone places and done things that the average person will never experience or understand. We pretty much have to get over being squeamish or delicate in our sensibilities.
However, that is not to say we don't have feelings. We are no less human or womanly than the "civilian" women you meet or love. If anything, we are more vulnerable, because we choose to put ourselves out there for you gentlemen, and are therefore targets. Yes, we need to grow "thick skins", but that only goes so far.
Issie, you are talented, bright and beautiful but you are making some sweeping statements about the board and some members after just two months on the board. Direct attacks based on YOUR gist of YOUR opinion, in lieu of discussion and perhaps trying to better understand the opposing views and the dynamics of the board can only result in a polarization of views with no useful outcome.
It is certainly not a good enough reason to throw in the towel and place the onus on other members that may have been simply responding in good faith.
It is certainly not a good enough reason to throw in the towel and place the onus on other members that may have been simply responding in good faith.
Now THAT's Reality
As well as my fascination.
Now that IS what I thought thanks for the affirmation. I really DO appreciate what you ladies do for society in general. You all do have my respect and appreciationDeaAphrodite said:Thanks, Nube! I like your perspective.
I have found that being engaged in this occupation has made me much more comfortable and open about discussing difficult or awkward subjects (and provided lots of practice doing it!). So yeah, if someone asks about X and I think I can contribute, I will tell it like it is. No agenda, no personal interest - just sharing information, teaching and learning.
As well, most sp's have gone places and done things that the average person will never experience or understand. We pretty much have to get over being squeamish or delicate in our sensibilities.
However, that is not to say we don't have feelings. We are no less human or womanly than the "civilian" women you meet or love. If anything, we are more vulnerable, because we choose to put ourselves out there for you gentlemen, and are therefore targets. Yes, we need to grow "thick skins", but that only goes so far.
As well as my fascination.It's all about the ladies.
An escort board without escorts, would be shortly OOB. Toss the jerkoffs, keep the hotties.
An escort board without escorts, would be shortly OOB. Toss the jerkoffs, keep the hotties.
