I guess this is the treatment we get from our so called friends after protecting their asses for so long you ask them to cover your back and they do that with a passion all right running the other way, just like the frogs. any one that is trying to say that there is a moral equivalent to what happened to nick berg and what some goof balls did to the detainees really need to have their head examined
Of Tortures and Beatings in Iraq
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dittman , why are you painting everyone of "your friends" with the same brush..we have been by your side for a very long time..and we don't have a history of running thank-you very much..but take a look at your side of the border..you will find a lot of people that hold the same opinions as some of these people do ..and some that do not that is what happens when you live in Countries that allow it's citizens to think freely and have the freedom that we enjoy..being one who has been over there and had to see some of this CRAP you won't find me being sympathetic..and even as a service or xserviceman I do not like War ..don't think anyone does..but sometimes it is necessary regardless of the politics behind it..I got to see what Mustard gas does to the human body..over 5000 of them, women and childeren included...that is not trying to be horrific or dramatic but it is the sad truth about that part of the world..but for you to insult Canadians and act like we owe you something is Way out of line..I have friends who died in the line of duty serving over there..and they were NOT cowards hiding behind anything..so please just try and understand and respect peoples rights to their opinions..a LOT of people have died over the years so we can enjoy the right to have them...thanks..I've said enough already
This would go a long way to stopping terrorism in the middle east:
Stop backing Israel. Stop selling it weapons. Stop selling it technology. Place an economic embargo in order to force it to pull out of Palestinian land. Force it to destroy all nukes.
So what if it pisses off the rich influential Jews in America. Terrorism and a militant Islam is a much worse threat to world peace.
Then take all the American troops out of Iraq and any other Muslim country out of the Middle East. If Israel is threatened, move those troops into Israel to prevent an invasion.
And lastly, the American gov should stop listening to the right wing Christian fundamentalists who seem to want to bring on Armageddon so their stupid Jesus would come sooner.
Stop backing Israel. Stop selling it weapons. Stop selling it technology. Place an economic embargo in order to force it to pull out of Palestinian land. Force it to destroy all nukes.
So what if it pisses off the rich influential Jews in America. Terrorism and a militant Islam is a much worse threat to world peace.
Then take all the American troops out of Iraq and any other Muslim country out of the Middle East. If Israel is threatened, move those troops into Israel to prevent an invasion.
And lastly, the American gov should stop listening to the right wing Christian fundamentalists who seem to want to bring on Armageddon so their stupid Jesus would come sooner.
If you knew anything about world history and Israel you would know that Israel and the US are close allies. When Israel was being formed by the UN and was defending itself against attacks it was Israelis around the world helping finance the defensive effort. The US initally refused to sell Israel arms so they turned to France and the black market. Technology development today is a huge part of their economy so to "stop selling it technology" is a mute point as the are world leaders in that department. Economic embargos work soooooooo well in the past and as for forcing them to destroy their nukes.....hahahaha good luck.brianwarner said:
Any ruling US President / government knows that if they were to have a hope in hell in winning a re-election, they need those rich influential Jews in America's votes. It has been shown in the past that Presidents that fail to support Israel and lost those votes....also lost the election. And what year is it now....Election year.
As for US troop deployment in Israel......NO US President is going to risk an all out holy war in that region and by the way on US soil. The best they can do is support the Israelis with arms sales and economic support so that they can have some influence in the Israeli government. When it comes to fighting in a war/ defending their homeland in the Middle East....to date no one comes close to might of Israel. And I'm not talking about arms, I'm talking about heart.
Israel was given land by the UN that was a fraction of what it is today. But Palestinians countries did not like it and tried to drive them into the sea. Some of these countries included area powerhouses like Egypt and Syria to name a few took up the task and were promptly handed their asses by a weaker poorly equipt Israel and their borders grew.
As for your last bit.....no comment cause its not even worth getting into that debate.
DEFEAT IS COMING
Good ppl of USA must take over their Country's Media and Gov and Finance before it's destroyed by an Act Of God!!
Right now it looks usa is above all the World but THEY seem to forget there is the Mighty One observing and watching then all of a sudden Howling Winds would come down and uproot everything. Nuclear power or Tech would mean nothing THEN.
Then guess what, israel will be next. They have killed many many ppl and yet nobody cares...UN is not a legitimate entity therefore formation of israel 1948 is not legit as well.
At the end let's just wait and see who gets the last laugh
Good ppl of USA must take over their Country's Media and Gov and Finance before it's destroyed by an Act Of God!!
Right now it looks usa is above all the World but THEY seem to forget there is the Mighty One observing and watching then all of a sudden Howling Winds would come down and uproot everything. Nuclear power or Tech would mean nothing THEN.
Then guess what, israel will be next. They have killed many many ppl and yet nobody cares...UN is not a legitimate entity therefore formation of israel 1948 is not legit as well.
At the end let's just wait and see who gets the last laugh
Afreet1444........
The UN IS A LEGIT entity recognized so by all the membering countries and others that are not members.
LOL at the act of God..... guess you don't follow the Bible either....don't you know Jewish people are God's chosen ones. When God brings on those howling winds and uproot everything....who do you think will be left standing and laughing last.
As for the killing of people....It goes both ways dude.
The UN IS A LEGIT entity recognized so by all the membering countries and others that are not members.
LOL at the act of God..... guess you don't follow the Bible either....don't you know Jewish people are God's chosen ones. When God brings on those howling winds and uproot everything....who do you think will be left standing and laughing last.
As for the killing of people....It goes both ways dude.
Blah Blah.....I posted this same response in another thread...
But it is more appropriate here.....
In 1992-1993 there were 2 cold blooded murders of unarmed Somalis by the occupying military.
It is reported that the colonel offered a case of champagne as a prize for the first dead Somali.
The troops referred to Somalis by racial epithets and joked about hunting them as trophies. They hung Nazi and U.S. Confederate flags in their barracks.
In March, 1993, soldiers shot down two unarmed, fleeing Somalis. Wounded and struggling, both were shot again from behind; one, Ahmed Afraraho Aruush, died. Two weeks later, a hungry teenager named Shidane Arone entered the Belet Huen aid camp, hoping to be fed. Instead, he was grabbed, beaten all night, and tortured to death by drunken soldiers.
After the regiment came back, nine of its members were tried in military court for crimes related to the murder of Arone. A private was convicted of torture and manslaughter, but Lieutenant-Colonel Mathieu was acquitted, and Major Anthony Seward, who ordered troops to abuse prisoners, got off with a reprimand.
These were Canadian Soldiers stationed in Somalia on a “peace keeping” mission.
Americans are ashamed our soldiers that acted in such disgusting behavior at Abu Ghraib.
In 1993 I am sure Canadians were also ashamed of the actions of their soldiers in Somalia.
The US soldiers and the Canadian soldiers are criminals and they need to be punished for their crimes. Superiors who condoned or even turn a blind eye to such practices need to be punished for their roles in these crimes.
Blah Blah using your theory the Prime Minister of Canada should have been charged with war crimes. I don’t think so.
But it is more appropriate here.....
In 1992-1993 there were 2 cold blooded murders of unarmed Somalis by the occupying military.
It is reported that the colonel offered a case of champagne as a prize for the first dead Somali.
The troops referred to Somalis by racial epithets and joked about hunting them as trophies. They hung Nazi and U.S. Confederate flags in their barracks.
In March, 1993, soldiers shot down two unarmed, fleeing Somalis. Wounded and struggling, both were shot again from behind; one, Ahmed Afraraho Aruush, died. Two weeks later, a hungry teenager named Shidane Arone entered the Belet Huen aid camp, hoping to be fed. Instead, he was grabbed, beaten all night, and tortured to death by drunken soldiers.
After the regiment came back, nine of its members were tried in military court for crimes related to the murder of Arone. A private was convicted of torture and manslaughter, but Lieutenant-Colonel Mathieu was acquitted, and Major Anthony Seward, who ordered troops to abuse prisoners, got off with a reprimand.
These were Canadian Soldiers stationed in Somalia on a “peace keeping” mission.
Americans are ashamed our soldiers that acted in such disgusting behavior at Abu Ghraib.
In 1993 I am sure Canadians were also ashamed of the actions of their soldiers in Somalia.
The US soldiers and the Canadian soldiers are criminals and they need to be punished for their crimes. Superiors who condoned or even turn a blind eye to such practices need to be punished for their roles in these crimes.
Blah Blah using your theory the Prime Minister of Canada should have been charged with war crimes. I don’t think so.
actually after reading this thread when the video of nick berg was shown that the canadiens didnt stand up and cheer and call for an encore. However just for all of your edifacation about serbia, in the backyard of france and germany they whined and bitched to the u.s. until we did something about it cause they didnt have the balls to do it, and the russians with their paper army of underpaid draftees waited until victory was assured and they rushed in for a land grab.
Calgary69 & Hifisex
The chosen ones were in the past (not anymore)..
The only decent Jews are the Neteurei Karta who believe 100% that palestine should be governed by their own ppl not by the israelis..Are you gonna say that they are malfunctioning too !?
Thanks to the media ,they don't show the Neteurei Karta ppl so they keep deceiving the LEMMINGS.
But I am glad cause many ppl in North America are waking up and the time IS COMING...
The chosen ones were in the past (not anymore)..
The only decent Jews are the Neteurei Karta who believe 100% that palestine should be governed by their own ppl not by the israelis..Are you gonna say that they are malfunctioning too !?
Thanks to the media ,they don't show the Neteurei Karta ppl so they keep deceiving the LEMMINGS.
But I am glad cause many ppl in North America are waking up and the time IS COMING...
Ohhhhh????? When did this happen??? Maybe in your small (and I do mean small) little world but no where in the Bible does it ever say that. I guess the true test is when God brings those howling winds and uproots everything and who ever is left standing is the winner eh???? BTW, God does not change his mind as everything is a part of his masterplan.afreet1444 said:
The only malfunction in your statement is the narrow mindlessness of it. Have you personally met every single Jewish person in the world, gotten to know them and understand their points of view as well as openly and objectively discussed yours??? If you had and came to this conclusion then yeah I would agree with you but my money is on the fact that you had not and are basing it on the ethnic biases that you probably grew up in/with.afreet1444 said:
Until you and your people open your minds to other points of view....NOTHING WILL CHANGE!!!! To me the ONLY PEOPLE BEING DECEIVED are the parties involved. Due to your own ethnic biases as well as theirs, both parties will NEVER see the light until you each walk a mile in each others footsteps.afreet1444 said:
Please don't try to drag North Americans into this. When you came to Canada or the US and became one of its citizens you should have been asked to leave those types of biases at the door. While you are free to practice your beliefs and religions in your home and churches...don't try to pander it to others. Stuff like "...the time IS COMING" makes you look like a terrorist and in todays day and age will get you locked up and the keys thrown away.
Calgary69
I am not dragging North Americans into this debate..In fact i was amazed at the amount of websites that are speaking the truth and hating their own govs etc etc...
I am not the one who went to other ppl's land and bomb it day and night with cluster bombs..and Killed tons of civilians just to make sure that Bible's Prophecy fullfilled!! How do you know that Bible wasn't altered!? Of course it was the Word Of God...But then you have old tstmt and New one...Doesn't make sense
Yes I used to have very good Jewish couple as friends ( back in the 90's and I never ever said anything bad about israel.in fact I wasn't even thinking about this problem back then).
Then all of a sudden they cut off connection around 1994....Till this day I have no idea why they did that!!
In year 2000 I opened my eyes to what is happening and my views have changed since then...But we can't hide from the truth...
The media here can hide and deceive but the tables are always turning.
I am not dragging North Americans into this debate..In fact i was amazed at the amount of websites that are speaking the truth and hating their own govs etc etc...
I am not the one who went to other ppl's land and bomb it day and night with cluster bombs..and Killed tons of civilians just to make sure that Bible's Prophecy fullfilled!! How do you know that Bible wasn't altered!? Of course it was the Word Of God...But then you have old tstmt and New one...Doesn't make sense
Yes I used to have very good Jewish couple as friends ( back in the 90's and I never ever said anything bad about israel.in fact I wasn't even thinking about this problem back then).
Then all of a sudden they cut off connection around 1994....Till this day I have no idea why they did that!!
In year 2000 I opened my eyes to what is happening and my views have changed since then...But we can't hide from the truth...
The media here can hide and deceive but the tables are always turning.
Ohhhhh!!! Ohhhhhh!!!! Don't tell me, these sites that you speak of I bet are the same ones that broadcast the beheadings...right. Either that or they are just ones put up and run by fundementalist used to spread their propaganda. Ever go to post-secondary institutions, you should know that most internet sources hold false or biased information and should not be taken as a reliable source of information.afreet1444 said:
Who are you talking about???? Are we talking about the Israelis or the US as you seem to have a problem with both. Whatever the case, both are defending themselves against attacks. When you have Palestines using terrorist tactics of car-bombing and suicide attacks in the name of Allah or whoever attacking Israeli civilians and soldiers what do you expect. Same goes with the US or do you not remember Sept 11th.afreet1444 said:
Religion is based on faith and the Bible is the document that holds the scriptures and God's words. By you questioning the scriptures shows me and all that read your rantings that you chose to question the validity of the Bible and therefore of God. It is also clear to me that you have NO understanding of the Bible as to why there is the Old Testiment and the New Testiment. You are obviously beyond my help so I'm not going to even try to explain it to you.
While I don't know your very good Jewish friends, I can't even try to speculate as to why they cut off all connections to you. I do know that in time some friends go their seperate ways and life goes on. But still, just because you were good friends with a few Jewish people, it is still WRONG of you to classify them all in the same group.afreet1444 said:
There is a thing called journalistic integrity but lets not go there.afreet1444 said:
Calgary69
As for the websites, no I don't get info from the ones who brodcasted the beheading...I get it from American and and some Canadian ones....
Don't tell me I should watch CNN or CBS or the likes cause they are all masking the truth.
Actually one of the websites are in Alberta!!
As for the ppl, I meant USA going and killing civilians in iraq..But this is not the 1st time..They did it to japan ,vietnam etc etc..
We both know iraq has nothing to do with 9/11..
In fact 9/11 was an inside job just to make arabs look like animals. and to give usa more excuses to go and attack muslims.
muslims and arabs in general won't go and kill innocent ppl such as the ones working in the 2 towers just because they hate usa.
RightWing Christians and zionists did that...
The only thing muslims and arabs can do is suicide bombing. that is it for them....
Maybe I should refresh your memory to 1968 when israelis bombed their own allies uss liberty just to make egyptians look like terrorists!! did you forget that? or you gonna tell me it was a mistake like what the israelis are claiming!!
as for palastenians doing suicide bombing,well these ppl are being treated like slaves or even worse..And their land was taken by force!! The situation is bad to a point where girls of 15 years of age were killing themselves!!what do you expect them to do!?
They have no life and no hope etc etc....
It seems to me BrianWarner is an honest man and always speak the truth...hats off to him and whoever thinks like him.
Calgary69
it looks like we are going for a never ending debate about this subject.
I just want you to gimme a date when Jesus comes back according to Bible and I will give you a date for something else.
As for the websites, no I don't get info from the ones who brodcasted the beheading...I get it from American and and some Canadian ones....
Don't tell me I should watch CNN or CBS or the likes cause they are all masking the truth.
Actually one of the websites are in Alberta!!
As for the ppl, I meant USA going and killing civilians in iraq..But this is not the 1st time..They did it to japan ,vietnam etc etc..
We both know iraq has nothing to do with 9/11..
In fact 9/11 was an inside job just to make arabs look like animals. and to give usa more excuses to go and attack muslims.
muslims and arabs in general won't go and kill innocent ppl such as the ones working in the 2 towers just because they hate usa.
RightWing Christians and zionists did that...
The only thing muslims and arabs can do is suicide bombing. that is it for them....
Maybe I should refresh your memory to 1968 when israelis bombed their own allies uss liberty just to make egyptians look like terrorists!! did you forget that? or you gonna tell me it was a mistake like what the israelis are claiming!!
as for palastenians doing suicide bombing,well these ppl are being treated like slaves or even worse..And their land was taken by force!! The situation is bad to a point where girls of 15 years of age were killing themselves!!what do you expect them to do!?
They have no life and no hope etc etc....
It seems to me BrianWarner is an honest man and always speak the truth...hats off to him and whoever thinks like him.
Calgary69
it looks like we are going for a never ending debate about this subject.
I just want you to gimme a date when Jesus comes back according to Bible and I will give you a date for something else.
Now I know this is going to be completely pointless but...
afreet, you are wrong.
You are wrong like the neonazi's, and the jdl, and all marginalized radical groups and their followers are wrong. You blame everyone but yourself for your position in life -- can't get a job -- it's the jews. Your world view isn't the one you see on TV -- it's because the media is controlled by Zionists.
It is delusional, it is stupid and it is a waste of your life.
To squander the precious amount of time we have on this planet doing nothing but hate is against the teaching of any religion. It is an affront to any deity you choose to believe in.
Iraq may have had little to do with with the incidents of 9 11 but the Americans believed that they did. History may prove them wrong but I think that the American government felt there was a link between Osama and Sadam. Again, I reiterate they may be wrong but I beleive at the time this is what they thought.
Your allegation that 911 was an inside job is unsupportable. There is not a shred of evidence to suggest that. That you actually believe this throws any aguement you may have into...
oh what's the point.
afreet, you are wrong.
You are wrong like the neonazi's, and the jdl, and all marginalized radical groups and their followers are wrong. You blame everyone but yourself for your position in life -- can't get a job -- it's the jews. Your world view isn't the one you see on TV -- it's because the media is controlled by Zionists.
It is delusional, it is stupid and it is a waste of your life.
To squander the precious amount of time we have on this planet doing nothing but hate is against the teaching of any religion. It is an affront to any deity you choose to believe in.
Iraq may have had little to do with with the incidents of 9 11 but the Americans believed that they did. History may prove them wrong but I think that the American government felt there was a link between Osama and Sadam. Again, I reiterate they may be wrong but I beleive at the time this is what they thought.
Your allegation that 911 was an inside job is unsupportable. There is not a shred of evidence to suggest that. That you actually believe this throws any aguement you may have into...
oh what's the point.
afreet1444...
The intelligence level of your posts is too low for me and hurts my brain to even think of a response. I think you better re-read your history books cause you definately have your facts wrong.
From this point on, you can talk to the hand. As I said at the start of this post....the intelligence level of your posts is too low for me and hurts my brain to even think of a response.
I now have a headache.....
The intelligence level of your posts is too low for me and hurts my brain to even think of a response. I think you better re-read your history books cause you definately have your facts wrong.
Again, most internet sources hold false or biased information and should not be taken as a reliable source of information regardless of where the websites are located.afreet1444 said:
If you are refering to WWII and the US attacking Japan....did we forget Pearl Harbour. As for Vietnam, they were there in support of the South Vietnamese government. It was Communist North Vietnam that crossed the borders and attacked the South. As for Iraq, its well know of Saddams connections with terrorists.afreet1444 said:
Muslims and Arabs in general won't go and kill innocent people... FINALLY....something I can agree with as its not Muslims and Arabs in general but Muslim and Arab terrorists who think they would win by attrition.afreet1444 said:
Maybe you should get your facts straight again. The Israelis mistakenly bombed the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in 1967 and did not make the Egyptians look like terrorist as it was a casualty of war. The Israelis offered compensation to the US for its mistake.afreet1444 said:
So that gives them the right to kill innocent people???? Desperation as an excuse for such actions will in no way win international sympathy and force change. Land taken by force....who attacked who to begin with.afreet1444 said:
I have no doubt that BrianWarner is an honest man but his facts were wrong. While I appreciate Brian's point of view and suggestions, I just wanted to show him holes in his solution. Again, go to any library and do a little research on the facts of history.afreet1444 said:
Actually this debate is over. I have proven my point with facts and you with irrational babble that others have seen and it makes you and your cause look like a fool. As for a date for Jesus's return from the Bible, I cannot give you one as there isn't one stated in the Bible. As I said before, the Bible and God is based on faith and when the time is right, Jesus will return as promised. If you actually read the Bible and understood it, you would not have asked such a silly question as you would already have the answer. You can keep your date as I'm sure its another useless piece of drivel.afreet1444 said:
From this point on, you can talk to the hand. As I said at the start of this post....the intelligence level of your posts is too low for me and hurts my brain to even think of a response.
I now have a headache.....
A. Seymour Hersh is far from a discredited journalist. That is a complete and utter lie. Or is there a special journalism accreditation board that I know nothing about? Hersh is a journalist of the first order, something the talking heads on TV will never be.
If someone put a contract out on my daddy I guess the first thing I would do is go after him (or protect my father). Very far down on the list would be carpet bombing a country. And if you seriously think that Saddam Hussien's hatred toward George Bush One is reason to start a war of this magnitude you are nuts.
Further to that, why can't you decide why this war was fought. Everytime someone counters one of your "arguements" you simply come up with some other line of BS as to why the US got involved in this conflict.
If someone put a contract out on my daddy I guess the first thing I would do is go after him (or protect my father). Very far down on the list would be carpet bombing a country. And if you seriously think that Saddam Hussien's hatred toward George Bush One is reason to start a war of this magnitude you are nuts.
Further to that, why can't you decide why this war was fought. Everytime someone counters one of your "arguements" you simply come up with some other line of BS as to why the US got involved in this conflict.
