NPD or Green any other Alternatives
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I'm ABL - Anybody But Liberal, but have a decided preference for Green. Check out their platform - it is fairly small l liberal on social issues, but conservative fiscally. We have to start looking past the the main parties and give other voices a chance to be heard. Oh for electoral reform. www.greenparty.ca
Green??
Nothing personal but it is a wasted vote hence it is one less vote for a potential winner, depending on the riding of course. I don't think green has ever put an MP in Ottawa and won't any time soon. The only close alternative is NDP. The problem there is the baggage they keep dragging around IE Svend and now Mark Emery. No one will take you serious when you suround yourself with twits. Having said that I'm going NDP anyway. Liberals have destroyed this country starting with the constitution in 1982 and have no intention of stopping. Equality, freedom of speech, Gun control, Canada Health Act the list goes on.
Nothing personal but it is a wasted vote hence it is one less vote for a potential winner, depending on the riding of course. I don't think green has ever put an MP in Ottawa and won't any time soon. The only close alternative is NDP. The problem there is the baggage they keep dragging around IE Svend and now Mark Emery. No one will take you serious when you suround yourself with twits. Having said that I'm going NDP anyway. Liberals have destroyed this country starting with the constitution in 1982 and have no intention of stopping. Equality, freedom of speech, Gun control, Canada Health Act the list goes on.
I would be Libertarian Light as far as my political leanings go. The Libertarian party of Canada has a basic philosophy similar to mine, but they also apply the everyman-for-themself to welfare, education and health care. I believe that these institutions are necessary for any stable society to contnue to exist and prosper. These safety nets catch those that are casualties of a competitive free market economy.
I note the dichotomy of their everyman-for-themself stance, but still the expectation that certain citizens would continue serve a higher purpose and place themselves on the line to serve the country (Military, Police, etc).
Liberal would probably be my natural home, but the Liberal party has lost it's way and needs a serious spanking at the polls in order for it to go back to the drawing board and remake itself.
So, in the end, the Green Party will probably get my vote, and the $1.75 that goes with it. Remember kiddies, every vote is worth money for that political party for next election's war chest, so support who you feel can do the best for the country and don't worry about voting in fear of someone else getting in.
I note the dichotomy of their everyman-for-themself stance, but still the expectation that certain citizens would continue serve a higher purpose and place themselves on the line to serve the country (Military, Police, etc).
Liberal would probably be my natural home, but the Liberal party has lost it's way and needs a serious spanking at the polls in order for it to go back to the drawing board and remake itself.
So, in the end, the Green Party will probably get my vote, and the $1.75 that goes with it. Remember kiddies, every vote is worth money for that political party for next election's war chest, so support who you feel can do the best for the country and don't worry about voting in fear of someone else getting in.
If the election follows historical trends we would have a conservative majority this time but I think the trend is going to be broken and will be stuck with another minority either liberal or conservative. http://www.nodice.ca/election2004/electionresults.html
What bothers me about the state of our country is how is a land with such massive resources, we can't seem to provide for our most vulnerable citizens.
I'm not talking about the pan handler who's got two good legs and arms and can work. I'm talking about the littl old lady you see in the supermarkets who can barely afford to buy the necessities like the litre of milk or loaf of bread. Or the shopping cart man who's walking around talking to himself and obviously belongs in a hospital. Or even worse the homeless senior citiezen who is going to end up dying in the streets if they stay out there.
I think government should by focusing on helping these most vunerable of society instead of blowing billions of dollars on some lame assed government programs that we can do with out, (and there are just too many to mention here).
I'd vote for a party who can practice fiscal responsibility and manage resources so that the most needy in are society are cared for.
I'm not talking about the pan handler who's got two good legs and arms and can work. I'm talking about the littl old lady you see in the supermarkets who can barely afford to buy the necessities like the litre of milk or loaf of bread. Or the shopping cart man who's walking around talking to himself and obviously belongs in a hospital. Or even worse the homeless senior citiezen who is going to end up dying in the streets if they stay out there.
I think government should by focusing on helping these most vunerable of society instead of blowing billions of dollars on some lame assed government programs that we can do with out, (and there are just too many to mention here).
I'd vote for a party who can practice fiscal responsibility and manage resources so that the most needy in are society are cared for.
Very well put, rickoshadows. The Green Party is slowly but surely building a base and people use fallacious logic when they say "I won't vote for a party that can't win". Of course they can't win if no one votes for them.rickoshadows said:
Last election I was cutting my grass when a chap who was even older than me (and that means he was OLD) came by stumping for either the Liberal or the Conservative candidate (they're indistinguishable in my mind ... crooks, phonies, bigots and liars), asking if he could put a sign on my lawn. I replied "not if you put a gun to my head" and when he asked if that meant I was voting for the NDP or whichever party he wasn't representing, I told him I was voting Green. We then proceeded to have a fifteen minute discussion and by the time we were done, he actually confessed to being delighted at our chat because he now had an insight into a party he had dismissed out of hand previously. I don't for a moment think he changed his vote but at least he now understood that the Green Party was indeed a "real" party and very likely a party that is going to eventually be sending elected candidates to parliament, just as has already happened in some European countries.
You make a very good point about the $1.75 that will be added to the Green Party warchest. Any party running federally that tallies at least 2% of the total vote gets $1.75 for each vote they receive. That in turn gives the party additional resources for getting its message out. There's an expression that goes something like "mighty oaks from tiny acorns grow", I believe?
Here's one formed by former red Tories who disapproved of the merger with Reform:
http://www.progressivecanadian.org/
http://www.progressivecanadian.org/
sparkymacker said:
isn't the mlpc running kinda contradicting marxism at same time? like didn't marx and engel says that changes comes from the workers/proleteriats overthrowing the bourgeois, usually by forceful means? not meaning they're out to create communism like the ones in the ussr and china, but more like marxism in it's pure form, so basically the mlpc is a joke.....
Why the fukk would anybody vote for the Green Party?
Look at all the environmental taxes we're paying already. Why? Because the government knows its a sure bet. Who is going to complain about some BS tax that we're told is purely for the good of our environment and future generations? All the while simultaneously granting subsidies to activities that damage the environment and our health. Smoke and mirrors. I can't imagine the kind of crap a party like the Green Party would come up with.
It scares me.
Alot.
I peed myself typing this.
Look at all the environmental taxes we're paying already. Why? Because the government knows its a sure bet. Who is going to complain about some BS tax that we're told is purely for the good of our environment and future generations? All the while simultaneously granting subsidies to activities that damage the environment and our health. Smoke and mirrors. I can't imagine the kind of crap a party like the Green Party would come up with.
It scares me.
Alot.
I peed myself typing this.
At one time Canada had two communist parties. There was the Communist Party of Canada (CPC) and there was the Communist Party of Canada Marxist-Leninist (CPC-ML). The two were the product of an internal split that stemmed from Khruschev's denouncing Stalin. Also it came from the desire of the CPC to create it's own brand of communism. In the end the Stalinists founded the CPC-ML and followed the Moscow line. I do know the CPC-ML is still around, but I'm not sure about the CPC.sparkymacker said:
In this election, I might vote Green and I have voted NDP in the past. Jack Layton really impressed me this year, but so far in the election he's coming across as a dud. Yet I think Green leader Jim Harris is just a whiney Conservative wanna-be who is disguised as some kind of environmentalist. I'll wait and see what the local candidates are like.
good post FUdd
I agree with Fudd - we all know I am a right winger but at the same time, it is shameful that we let the old and infirm wallow in poverty. This is not the Canada that I want to be proud of. I agree with a conservartive party platform but would like a touch of humanity thrown in.
How hard would it be to get rid of some loser programs (gun registry and the billions we throw to the natives each year ) and look after the elderly????
How anyone could vote liberal at this point is beyond me.
I agree with Fudd - we all know I am a right winger but at the same time, it is shameful that we let the old and infirm wallow in poverty. This is not the Canada that I want to be proud of. I agree with a conservartive party platform but would like a touch of humanity thrown in.
How hard would it be to get rid of some loser programs (gun registry and the billions we throw to the natives each year ) and look after the elderly????
How anyone could vote liberal at this point is beyond me.
No vote is a wasted vote if you really believe in what you are voting for. If anyone thinks their vote is wasted if not given for Lib, Con or NDP, then we'd never have a chance to change anything. If Jim Harris was allowed into the debates the Green vote would soar. Why is Duceppe in the English debate anyway? Is he going after votes in BC? Is he going to say anything constructive for the rest of Canada? Why not let the Greens in and Bloc out?
A was going to vote NDP at the beginning of this election but that was before the Conservative jumped ahead. Now the only way to prevent the Conservatives from getting into power is to back the Liberals. I know that the Liberals are not the perfect party but at least they have good qualities like:
1) Respect for woman's right to chose in terms of abortions versus those religious fanatic Conservatives.
2) Respect for those accused and convicted of crimes instead of the "Lock em up and throw away the key" attitude of the Conservatives. A scarier thought is if those Conservatives bring back the death penalty.
3) Putting public safety ahead of the gun manufacturers and lobbyist. A gun ban should have been in place a long time ago.
4) Respect for the environment. Still don’t know if the global warming thing is for real because of the flaws those Canadian scientists pointed in the original study but I think cutting pollutant emissions will still have a positive effect on the environment.
5) Not wasting billions creating a military war machine like many countries around the world.
6) Respect for native rights and redressing wrongs done to them in the past.
7) Respect for the life, freedom, rights and property of its citizens.
And yes I am aware of all the scandals and the occasional misappropriation of tax payers moneys by the Liberals but I think its better to have them in power still.
1) Respect for woman's right to chose in terms of abortions versus those religious fanatic Conservatives.
2) Respect for those accused and convicted of crimes instead of the "Lock em up and throw away the key" attitude of the Conservatives. A scarier thought is if those Conservatives bring back the death penalty.
3) Putting public safety ahead of the gun manufacturers and lobbyist. A gun ban should have been in place a long time ago.
4) Respect for the environment. Still don’t know if the global warming thing is for real because of the flaws those Canadian scientists pointed in the original study but I think cutting pollutant emissions will still have a positive effect on the environment.
5) Not wasting billions creating a military war machine like many countries around the world.
6) Respect for native rights and redressing wrongs done to them in the past.
7) Respect for the life, freedom, rights and property of its citizens.
And yes I am aware of all the scandals and the occasional misappropriation of tax payers moneys by the Liberals but I think its better to have them in power still.
Ndp
My vote will be going to the NDP tommorow, as I believe they will represent the best interests of the general public. They always have.
I could go for the Geen party if they had enough popular support in my area to actually win.
My area has traditionally voted NDP (Winnipeg centre) and will most likely vote Pat Martin back to parliament.
My vote will be going to the NDP tommorow, as I believe they will represent the best interests of the general public. They always have.
I could go for the Geen party if they had enough popular support in my area to actually win.
My area has traditionally voted NDP (Winnipeg centre) and will most likely vote Pat Martin back to parliament.
Politicians
Two alligators were sitting in the swamp talking. The smaller one turned to the bigger one and said, "I cain't unnerstand how you kin be so much bigger 'n me. We're the same age, we was the same size as kids. I just don't get it."
"Well," said the big 'gator, What you been eatin' boy?"
"Politicians, same as you," replied the small 'gator.
"Hmm. Well, where do y'all catch 'em?"
"Down 'tother side of the swamp near the parkin' lot by the capitol."
"Same here. Hmm. How do you catch 'em?"
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"Ah!" says the big alligator, "I think I see your problem. You
ain't gettin' any real nourishment. See, by the time you get done shakin' the shit out of a Politician, there ain't nothin' left but an asshole and a briefcase
Two alligators were sitting in the swamp talking. The smaller one turned to the bigger one and said, "I cain't unnerstand how you kin be so much bigger 'n me. We're the same age, we was the same size as kids. I just don't get it."
"Well," said the big 'gator, What you been eatin' boy?"
"Politicians, same as you," replied the small 'gator.
"Hmm. Well, where do y'all catch 'em?"
"Down 'tother side of the swamp near the parkin' lot by the capitol."
"Same here. Hmm. How do you catch 'em?"
"Well, I crawls up under one of them Lexus and wait fer one to unlock the car door. Then I jump out, grab 'em on the leg, shake the shit out of 'em, and eat 'em!"
"Ah!" says the big alligator, "I think I see your problem. You
ain't gettin' any real nourishment. See, by the time you get done shakin' the shit out of a Politician, there ain't nothin' left but an asshole and a briefcase
