Commander Chode - I don't believe any party came out in favour of legalized prostitution, but the Greens would probably support it as long as you don't throw condoms in the parking lot and use recycled tissues.
Now that the Election is real, who will you vote for?
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The above was my prediction on May 23. The final results are as follows:Makhno said:
LIB 135
CONS 99
BQ 54
NDP 19
IND 1
So I overestimated the Liberals by 10, and understimated the Conservatives by 14, likely because I initially didn't think the Bloc would do as well. But hey, its as good an opinion as any pollster.
Interestingly, the combined Lineral+NDP seats total only 154, one shy of a coalition majority. Interestingly, Martin today said that he's confident he can get the Liberals' major policies through Parliament without a formal coalition with another party. Good luck.
Hey Duff, Kimball Cariou finished in 8th place with 94 votes.
I didn't know you could vote that many times.
I didn't know you could vote that many times.
Here in BC
The Liberials took Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca, North Vancouver, Richmond, Vancouver Centre, Vancouver Kingsway, Vancouver Quadra, Vancouver South, and Victoria. In metro Toronto, a sweep by the Liberials except for Jack Laton's riding. Almost a classic case of urban vs rural. The exception being West Vancouver - the richest riding in BC; go figure!
On a side note, for those of you who would rather get fucked up the ass than to see a Liberial majority. You should send a thank you card to the Bloc.
The Liberials took Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca, North Vancouver, Richmond, Vancouver Centre, Vancouver Kingsway, Vancouver Quadra, Vancouver South, and Victoria. In metro Toronto, a sweep by the Liberials except for Jack Laton's riding. Almost a classic case of urban vs rural. The exception being West Vancouver - the richest riding in BC; go figure!
On a side note, for those of you who would rather get fucked up the ass than to see a Liberial majority. You should send a thank you card to the Bloc.
Makhno is not going to like this
Election update, as a result of what I called stategic voting. You may not like it, but thats how the game is played.
How many MPS from Alberta made it into the cabinet? Grand total of 1 being Anne McLellan.
Peter O'Neil
Vancouver Sun
Anderson dumped, but B.C. gets record 5 cabinet ministers
Tuesday, July 20, 2004
OTTAWA -- B.C. will emerge as a major winner in today's cabinet shuffle as Prime Minister Paul Martin appoints a record five B.C. ministers to his cabinet, The Vancouver Sun has learned.
At the same time, Martin will dump his senior B.C. political minister, David Anderson, who will be replaced by rookie MP David Emerson as the region's most powerful cabinet member.
Martin, who has staked his legacy on reducing B.C. alienation, named his two star recruits to two of the most powerful posts in the federal government.
Former New Democratic Party premier Ujjal Dosanjh will be the new health minister responsible for fulfilling Martin's campaign vow to fix the system, a process that begins with a first ministers' conference later this summer.
And political neophyte David Emerson, previously the chief executive of Canfor Corp., will become industry minister, in charge of a department with 6,000 employees and a $1.4-billion annual budget.
One of the industry department's branches is the Ottawa-based Canadian Tourism Commission, which B.C. Liberal candidates vowed last month to move to the West Coast.
Raymond Chan, a former junior minister who lost his Richmond seat in 2000, will be rewarded with the multiculturalism portfolio, while influential Jack Austin will remain in cabinet as Martin's government leader in the Senate.
Stephen Owen, who had been public works minister, was named by Martin to be both western economic diversification minister and sports minister.
Owen (Vancouver-Quadra) will effectively become the minister responsible for the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver and Whistler, while at the same time taking a lead role in pushing Martin's agenda to promote Western Canada's interests in Ottawa.
Western Economic Diversification, despite having a relatively small budget and staff, will become a full ministry, separate from its previous parent, the industry department.
Dosanjh gets the health post even though B.C. Finance Minister Gary Collins said earlier this year that Premier Gordon Campbell's Liberals would have trouble working with the former premier.
Dosanjh got the nod because he is seen by Liberals as appealing to left-of-centre voters going into an expected battle on the health issue with NDP leader Jack Layton.
While Emerson is expected to have little trouble dealing with the Campbell government or the business community, he has no experience working in the Liberal party. Austin will be expected to deal with party development.
B.C. previously had three ministers -- Anderson, Owen, and Austin -- and has had as many as four only twice since Confederation -- under Pierre Elliott Trudeau's Liberals from 1976 to 1978 and under the Brian Mulroney-Kim Campbell Tories from 1988-1993.
Anderson, who had been B.C.'s senior regional cabinet representative and the environment minister for five years, had enjoyed a number of successes, including the resolution of the Canada-U.S. salmon wars.
But he fell out of favour by criticizing Martin's most senior advisers during the election campaign, and was deemed expendable as the prime minister tried to put a fresh face on a cabinet still dominated by many veterans of the Chretien era.
Anderson's hard-line opposition to offshore energy exploration also caused tension between the federal and B.C. governments.
"Nothing would make Gordon Campbell happier" than to have Anderson punted, University of Victoria political scientist Norman Ruff said last week.
The shuffle leaves B.C. with no cabinet representation on Vancouver Island. The other island MP is Keith Martin (Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca.)
Anderson, known for having a short fuse, was unhappy Monday about being turfed. An outspoken maverick as a rookie MP from 1968-72, he could emerge as an outspoken critic of federal environmental policy. Anderson is expected to outline his reaction to the shuffle, and his plans for the future as a backbench MP, in a statement today.
While Owen's stature has diminished in terms of cabinet clout, the sport post gives the former rugby player significant media exposure going into the next election.
Owen will be the lead federal minister as the province gears up for the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver and Whistler and will likely be in front of the cameras at the 2004 Summer Games in Greece.
Emerson's industry department is responsible for promoting investment, innovation and trade, and has a variety of arms, including the Canadian Space Agency, the Competition Tribunal, various research councils and regional development agencies, and the federal infrastructure program.
Dosanjh's major challenge will be to win the confidence of his former bitter adversaries in Victoria. Collins showed little respect in April for the man who would emerge as the key federal player -- other than Martin -- on a file of critical importance to the West Coast.
"I think it will be very difficult to work directly with Mr. Dosanjh as part of the federal government," Collins said.
"Of all the people in British Columbia that we'd prefer to deal with at the federal level, he wouldn't be at the top of the list."
Election update, as a result of what I called stategic voting.
You may not like it, but thats how the game is played.How many MPS from Alberta made it into the cabinet? Grand total of 1 being Anne McLellan.
Peter O'Neil
Vancouver Sun
Anderson dumped, but B.C. gets record 5 cabinet ministers
Tuesday, July 20, 2004
OTTAWA -- B.C. will emerge as a major winner in today's cabinet shuffle as Prime Minister Paul Martin appoints a record five B.C. ministers to his cabinet, The Vancouver Sun has learned.
At the same time, Martin will dump his senior B.C. political minister, David Anderson, who will be replaced by rookie MP David Emerson as the region's most powerful cabinet member.
Martin, who has staked his legacy on reducing B.C. alienation, named his two star recruits to two of the most powerful posts in the federal government.
Former New Democratic Party premier Ujjal Dosanjh will be the new health minister responsible for fulfilling Martin's campaign vow to fix the system, a process that begins with a first ministers' conference later this summer.
And political neophyte David Emerson, previously the chief executive of Canfor Corp., will become industry minister, in charge of a department with 6,000 employees and a $1.4-billion annual budget.
One of the industry department's branches is the Ottawa-based Canadian Tourism Commission, which B.C. Liberal candidates vowed last month to move to the West Coast.
Raymond Chan, a former junior minister who lost his Richmond seat in 2000, will be rewarded with the multiculturalism portfolio, while influential Jack Austin will remain in cabinet as Martin's government leader in the Senate.
Stephen Owen, who had been public works minister, was named by Martin to be both western economic diversification minister and sports minister.
Owen (Vancouver-Quadra) will effectively become the minister responsible for the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver and Whistler, while at the same time taking a lead role in pushing Martin's agenda to promote Western Canada's interests in Ottawa.
Western Economic Diversification, despite having a relatively small budget and staff, will become a full ministry, separate from its previous parent, the industry department.
Dosanjh gets the health post even though B.C. Finance Minister Gary Collins said earlier this year that Premier Gordon Campbell's Liberals would have trouble working with the former premier.
Dosanjh got the nod because he is seen by Liberals as appealing to left-of-centre voters going into an expected battle on the health issue with NDP leader Jack Layton.
While Emerson is expected to have little trouble dealing with the Campbell government or the business community, he has no experience working in the Liberal party. Austin will be expected to deal with party development.
B.C. previously had three ministers -- Anderson, Owen, and Austin -- and has had as many as four only twice since Confederation -- under Pierre Elliott Trudeau's Liberals from 1976 to 1978 and under the Brian Mulroney-Kim Campbell Tories from 1988-1993.
Anderson, who had been B.C.'s senior regional cabinet representative and the environment minister for five years, had enjoyed a number of successes, including the resolution of the Canada-U.S. salmon wars.
But he fell out of favour by criticizing Martin's most senior advisers during the election campaign, and was deemed expendable as the prime minister tried to put a fresh face on a cabinet still dominated by many veterans of the Chretien era.
Anderson's hard-line opposition to offshore energy exploration also caused tension between the federal and B.C. governments.
"Nothing would make Gordon Campbell happier" than to have Anderson punted, University of Victoria political scientist Norman Ruff said last week.
The shuffle leaves B.C. with no cabinet representation on Vancouver Island. The other island MP is Keith Martin (Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca.)
Anderson, known for having a short fuse, was unhappy Monday about being turfed. An outspoken maverick as a rookie MP from 1968-72, he could emerge as an outspoken critic of federal environmental policy. Anderson is expected to outline his reaction to the shuffle, and his plans for the future as a backbench MP, in a statement today.
While Owen's stature has diminished in terms of cabinet clout, the sport post gives the former rugby player significant media exposure going into the next election.
Owen will be the lead federal minister as the province gears up for the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver and Whistler and will likely be in front of the cameras at the 2004 Summer Games in Greece.
Emerson's industry department is responsible for promoting investment, innovation and trade, and has a variety of arms, including the Canadian Space Agency, the Competition Tribunal, various research councils and regional development agencies, and the federal infrastructure program.
Dosanjh's major challenge will be to win the confidence of his former bitter adversaries in Victoria. Collins showed little respect in April for the man who would emerge as the key federal player -- other than Martin -- on a file of critical importance to the West Coast.
"I think it will be very difficult to work directly with Mr. Dosanjh as part of the federal government," Collins said.
"Of all the people in British Columbia that we'd prefer to deal with at the federal level, he wouldn't be at the top of the list."
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Re: Makhno is not going to like this
Alberta did well regardless. We retained 100% of our cabinet seats!
Hey, it's a temporary government anyway......wilde said:
Alberta did well regardless. We retained 100% of our cabinet seats!
Re: Hi Makno, how have you been?
right on, wilde..., isn't that Harpers was vowing to quit the PC...??
I guess the Harper is full of smoking guns...just plain talk and NO ACTION...I am glad that PC is not the party in power...
wilde said:I was begginning to miss the lively discussions we had on politics.
Yes, the new tories retained all their seats in the house. But from what I am hearing, they would rather be on the other side of the floor.
right on, wilde..., isn't that Harpers was vowing to quit the PC...??
I guess the Harper is full of smoking guns...just plain talk and NO ACTION...I am glad that PC is not the party in power...
Re: Hi Makno, how have you been?
wilde: not to worry. There'll be plenty more to debate once the sponsorship scandal hearings get underway in September. They're still on, aren't they?wilde said:
A gift form "God" for Paul Martin
The Christians are coming to 'help' Harper
Barbara Yaffe
Vancouver Sun
Thursday, July 22, 2004
An Alberta-based Christian group keen to become more involved in the political process could be the helpers-from-hell for the Conservative party.
At a time when Conservatives are hoping to foster a more mainstream image, Concerned Christians Canada Inc. is preparing to step up efforts to make its influence felt on the national scene.
The group (battle cry: Take Back Canada!) has just hired a public relations director.
The organization's CEO is Craig Chandler. In 2003, Mr. Chandler unsuccessfully sought the PC leadership, ultimately won by Peter MacKay, now deputy Conservative leader.
In a news release, Concerned Christians takes credit for helping Stephen Harper get elected as Conservative leader and calls its adherents to action.
"Christians have spent years on the sidelines, and take a look around. We must get off the pews and into public policy!" Mr. Chandler writes.
He describes CCC as "a political lobby group that was formed as a result of the moral decay in Canada." It was incorporated in 2001 with headquarters in Calgary.
"Our country is being ripped apart at its foundations . . . . We as Christians may not be of the world, but we live in the world and we must uphold God's laws and fight evil and injustice."
The release says a large war chest will be needed to "help get social conservatives elected to all levels of government. We need funds because, unlike the militant left, we do not feed at the public trough."
A prime goal of the group, with 400 members, is "to insure (sic) that the new Conservative party does not become another mushy middle Liberal party.
"Getting the [Alliance and PC] parties united and purging anti-Christians like Joe Clark, Andre Bachand, Brock Easton and Scott Brison among others was only a first step."
The next challenge, Mr. Chandler says, is to influence Conservative policies.
His group wants action that will strengthen the family, end taxpayer-supported abortion and lower taxes for families. Predictably, the group opposes gay marriage and gay adoption as well as Bill C-250, aimed at protecting gays from hate crimes.
CCC has been conducting "Scrap Bill C-250" town hall meetings across Canada, targeting the legislation introduced in 2002 by then-MP Svend Robinson, whom they describe as an "ultra left wing, socialist, homosexual NDP MP."
The group calls the bill "a moral gag law." It's organizing a petition on its website and hopes to present it to MPs this fall.
CCC pledges to get social conservatives elected to boards of local constituency associations and raise money so that socially conservative delegates can be sent to next year's Conservative policy convention.
This has to be the worst news the party has received since MP Randy White's outrageous diatribe against the courts surfaced the weekend before the June 28 election.
For Mr. Harper and his team, CCC is a disaster waiting to happen. Its rants will reinforce every fear non-believers from coast to coast hold about the freshly merged party.
Mr. Harper should agree to donate money to this group on condition they do not come within 1,000 km. of his MPs.
Mr. Chandler's organization does not represent Main Street. It appears stuck at 100 Huntley Street.
And it is disconcerting to hear a Christian group using language so intolerant of those who hold different views. Calling Joe Clark anti-Christian? Or Svend Robinson an ultra left-wing homosexual?
These family-values diehards aren't the voters Mr. Harper needs. He has their support and they have nowhere else to go. Rather, he must reach out to those who fear he's taking policy advice from the Christian right.
Trouble is, if this group is determined to infiltrate the party, there's not much he can do to stop them.
Best he get down on his knees and start praying to the Lord Almighty that these folks don't show up in droves at next year's policy convention.
The Christians are coming to 'help' Harper
Barbara Yaffe
Vancouver Sun
Thursday, July 22, 2004
An Alberta-based Christian group keen to become more involved in the political process could be the helpers-from-hell for the Conservative party.
At a time when Conservatives are hoping to foster a more mainstream image, Concerned Christians Canada Inc. is preparing to step up efforts to make its influence felt on the national scene.
The group (battle cry: Take Back Canada!) has just hired a public relations director.
The organization's CEO is Craig Chandler. In 2003, Mr. Chandler unsuccessfully sought the PC leadership, ultimately won by Peter MacKay, now deputy Conservative leader.
In a news release, Concerned Christians takes credit for helping Stephen Harper get elected as Conservative leader and calls its adherents to action.
"Christians have spent years on the sidelines, and take a look around. We must get off the pews and into public policy!" Mr. Chandler writes.
He describes CCC as "a political lobby group that was formed as a result of the moral decay in Canada." It was incorporated in 2001 with headquarters in Calgary.
"Our country is being ripped apart at its foundations . . . . We as Christians may not be of the world, but we live in the world and we must uphold God's laws and fight evil and injustice."
The release says a large war chest will be needed to "help get social conservatives elected to all levels of government. We need funds because, unlike the militant left, we do not feed at the public trough."
A prime goal of the group, with 400 members, is "to insure (sic) that the new Conservative party does not become another mushy middle Liberal party.
"Getting the [Alliance and PC] parties united and purging anti-Christians like Joe Clark, Andre Bachand, Brock Easton and Scott Brison among others was only a first step."
The next challenge, Mr. Chandler says, is to influence Conservative policies.
His group wants action that will strengthen the family, end taxpayer-supported abortion and lower taxes for families. Predictably, the group opposes gay marriage and gay adoption as well as Bill C-250, aimed at protecting gays from hate crimes.
CCC has been conducting "Scrap Bill C-250" town hall meetings across Canada, targeting the legislation introduced in 2002 by then-MP Svend Robinson, whom they describe as an "ultra left wing, socialist, homosexual NDP MP."
The group calls the bill "a moral gag law." It's organizing a petition on its website and hopes to present it to MPs this fall.
CCC pledges to get social conservatives elected to boards of local constituency associations and raise money so that socially conservative delegates can be sent to next year's Conservative policy convention.
This has to be the worst news the party has received since MP Randy White's outrageous diatribe against the courts surfaced the weekend before the June 28 election.
For Mr. Harper and his team, CCC is a disaster waiting to happen. Its rants will reinforce every fear non-believers from coast to coast hold about the freshly merged party.
Mr. Harper should agree to donate money to this group on condition they do not come within 1,000 km. of his MPs.
Mr. Chandler's organization does not represent Main Street. It appears stuck at 100 Huntley Street.
And it is disconcerting to hear a Christian group using language so intolerant of those who hold different views. Calling Joe Clark anti-Christian? Or Svend Robinson an ultra left-wing homosexual?
These family-values diehards aren't the voters Mr. Harper needs. He has their support and they have nowhere else to go. Rather, he must reach out to those who fear he's taking policy advice from the Christian right.
Trouble is, if this group is determined to infiltrate the party, there's not much he can do to stop them.
Best he get down on his knees and start praying to the Lord Almighty that these folks don't show up in droves at next year's policy convention.
