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Now that the Election is real, who will you vote for?
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The moment of truth is near....
The election is upon us tomorrow. Those of us that didn’t vote in the advance polls will now get a chance to have our say. This thread has generated a lot of great discussion of both the issues and the parties. As you consider who to vote for, I would like to add my final 2 cents.
Considering all that the Liberals have done for/to us over the last 11 years (sponsorship scandal, HRDC boondoggle, massive gun registry overruns, the Auberge Grand-Mere scandal, Canada Steamship lines contracts, Chretien’s $100 million private jets, decimation of health care funding, etc. etc.), we cannot possibly reward them by giving them a fourth term. If you think their arrogance, profligacy, corruption and and appetite for public funds was out of control during the past 11 years, wait till you see what they’ll do in the next four years if they get the voters’ “seal of approval”!. I encourage you to vote for anybody but your Liberal candidate.
I think its fair to say that the electorate is in the mood to give the Liberals a spanking. The only real question is what kind of spanking. Do we go for the simple open hand, use an instrument (such as a cane or belt), or go all the way with a cat of nine tails?
I vote for the cat of nine tails.
The election is upon us tomorrow. Those of us that didn’t vote in the advance polls will now get a chance to have our say. This thread has generated a lot of great discussion of both the issues and the parties. As you consider who to vote for, I would like to add my final 2 cents.
Considering all that the Liberals have done for/to us over the last 11 years (sponsorship scandal, HRDC boondoggle, massive gun registry overruns, the Auberge Grand-Mere scandal, Canada Steamship lines contracts, Chretien’s $100 million private jets, decimation of health care funding, etc. etc.), we cannot possibly reward them by giving them a fourth term. If you think their arrogance, profligacy, corruption and and appetite for public funds was out of control during the past 11 years, wait till you see what they’ll do in the next four years if they get the voters’ “seal of approval”!. I encourage you to vote for anybody but your Liberal candidate.
I think its fair to say that the electorate is in the mood to give the Liberals a spanking. The only real question is what kind of spanking. Do we go for the simple open hand, use an instrument (such as a cane or belt), or go all the way with a cat of nine tails?
I vote for the cat of nine tails.
Re: The moment of truth is near....
In the last 11 years, the Liberals cleaned up the massive deficits left by the Conservatives. They have reduced both personal and corporate income taxes in a responsible fashion. They have tabled several consecutive balance budgets and made it a model for the provincial governments to follow. At the same time improving our credit ratings internationally. They kept the country together after the Meech Lake fiasco left by the Conservatives. They reduced the number of people on and rely on EI. They stood up to the mighty US and refused to join the war in Iraq. They attempted to bring same sex marriage and the legalization of marijuana to the fore front. They helped Vancouver to win the 2010 winter olympics. I for one believe that our country is a better place than it was 11 years ago.
Vote with a purpose!
Thanks for listing all the negatives and completly ignoring the things that they have done well for our country. After all it is easier to bitch than to praise. I urge voters to drop this vote anything but Liberial attitude. I think voters should vote for the party whose platform closely match their own. If that happens to be a party other than the Liberials then so be it. If you don't agree with any of the parties then refrain from voting.Makhno said:
In the last 11 years, the Liberals cleaned up the massive deficits left by the Conservatives. They have reduced both personal and corporate income taxes in a responsible fashion. They have tabled several consecutive balance budgets and made it a model for the provincial governments to follow. At the same time improving our credit ratings internationally. They kept the country together after the Meech Lake fiasco left by the Conservatives. They reduced the number of people on and rely on EI. They stood up to the mighty US and refused to join the war in Iraq. They attempted to bring same sex marriage and the legalization of marijuana to the fore front. They helped Vancouver to win the 2010 winter olympics. I for one believe that our country is a better place than it was 11 years ago.
Vote with a purpose!
I would prefer to see a majority government as well but for different reasons. History tells us that a minority government don't last very long which means we will probably be doing this again in a about a year. That my friend will be a huge waste of taxpayers' money. Anyone knows roughly how much an election costs?Ditch_Canyon said:
7 straight years of balanced budgets, a 32billion trade surplus, healthy social programs, good standing with all other nations (except Bushs' Amerika) and you want to throw it away because they spent $3 of your money on some bogus sponsorship program.
$3 is all that program cost each canadian citizen. If it'll change your vote, I'll pay everyony in this thread $3 to not vote for the conservatives. I don't care where you put your vote as long as Harper is not in power.
$3 is all that program cost each canadian citizen. If it'll change your vote, I'll pay everyony in this thread $3 to not vote for the conservatives. I don't care where you put your vote as long as Harper is not in power.
Just finished thinking about this in the shower, and I wanted to put it into perspective. Lets suppose only 1/3 of canadians pay taxes, and that makes every 'tax-payers' share $10. I paid $25,837.24 in taxes(a little above average, I know) on my T4 alone, not to mention all the other monies the feds get from me.
2 years ago I bought a new car and I paid $1400 in GST on a $20,000. That's $10/year for 140 years that I have to pay because of the conservative party not including everything else I pay GST on.
2 years ago I bought a new car and I paid $1400 in GST on a $20,000. That's $10/year for 140 years that I have to pay because of the conservative party not including everything else I pay GST on.
If I recall correctly, the 7% GST replaced a 13% hidden manufacturing tax.
Yeah, it's nice to see a Lounge thread that had a good debate and didn't degenerate into personal attacks, flaming and drama queen antics.Ditch_Canyon said:
I thiink it took a lot of guts to not keep that promise for the sake of it. Once the Liberials got in power, they realized the magnitude of the fiscal mess left by the Conservatives. If they were to scrap the GST, they'll have to replace it with an equally unpopular tax to sustain the revenue source. And seeing how Canadains have already adopted the GST, it would be a waste of money to replace it. Yes they broke the promise, but the alternative was to waste more money and cost Canadians more grief in getting used to another tax regime.hifisex said:
hifisex said:aside from this being illegal it also reflects the contempt of the liberal party.....god forbid that the people of Canada would elect a government that is responsible and accountable
thanks for bringing up the GST......I'm racking my brain to remember who made the commitment to repeal the GST.....OH YA, jean chretien and paul martin as part of their red book of lies
ROTFL there will never be such a thing as a responsible govn't. Accountability, however, is up to the voters.
And as for not repealing the GST, it is a sore spot, but as consecutive majority governments can attest, the good outweighs the bad. A point that will most likely be made tommorrow. As for the 'RED BOOK' they did keep most of their promises, most importantly (to me anyways) a balanced budget:Þ
(for 7 straight years)
Re: Re: The moment of truth is near....
The purpose now has to be to rid our fair land of that scourge and moral blight.
The "positive" economic things you recite would likely have happened in any event. The impact that governments have on the economy is probably not as great as they would hope (unless it is maliciously directed such as Trudeau's NEP, which devastated the Alberta economy literally overnight in the early 1980s). As far as for Liberals keeping the country together, Jean Chretien brought the country to the brink in the last referendum by his conspicuous inactivity. (Perhaps that's what saved the vote--had he become more active it may have pushed the vote the other way. )
I am not a great fan of the Conservatives either, but I don't believe they are going to wreck the country. (The Liberal's claim to be the trustee of the Canadian ideal is, IMHO, one of the most arrogant planks of their platform). The political reality is that they are going to be forced into the political center to survive. The sun will rise again. The social fabric of this country will remain intact.
But the bottom line is that the end does not justify the means. The Liberal descent into corruption and incompetence that we have seen over the last 11 years is inexcusable. (And no, qwerty, its not just the theft of the sponsorship monies. Check the discussion in this thread for numerous other examples.) There has to be some accountability for their actions. Judgment day is tomorrow. If we reward the Liberals by returning them to power, we send entirely the wrong message not only to the Liberals but to our children and to all future generations. The message will be that its OK to rob, pillage and plunder because all you have to do is say I'm sorry, no harm done, I'll do better next time.................er..............vote for me.
There have to be real consequences to the Liberal misdeeds. We have limits to what we as individuals can do. We can either vote them in, or vote them out. That's it. And that opportunity presents itself tomorrow. Its the only day that any government will listen to the people.
Bring on the cat of nine tails!!
Wilde: A few years ago I would have agreed with your exhortation to vote with a purpose. But the Liberal record of complete and utter disdain for anybody but their bag men and patronage pigs has become too much for me. They seem to equate my pocket book with their pocket book and reach into it with impunity to redistribute its contents to their friends. Enough is enough!!wilde said:
The purpose now has to be to rid our fair land of that scourge and moral blight.
The "positive" economic things you recite would likely have happened in any event. The impact that governments have on the economy is probably not as great as they would hope (unless it is maliciously directed such as Trudeau's NEP, which devastated the Alberta economy literally overnight in the early 1980s). As far as for Liberals keeping the country together, Jean Chretien brought the country to the brink in the last referendum by his conspicuous inactivity. (Perhaps that's what saved the vote--had he become more active it may have pushed the vote the other way.
)I am not a great fan of the Conservatives either, but I don't believe they are going to wreck the country. (The Liberal's claim to be the trustee of the Canadian ideal is, IMHO, one of the most arrogant planks of their platform). The political reality is that they are going to be forced into the political center to survive. The sun will rise again. The social fabric of this country will remain intact.
But the bottom line is that the end does not justify the means. The Liberal descent into corruption and incompetence that we have seen over the last 11 years is inexcusable. (And no, qwerty, its not just the theft of the sponsorship monies. Check the discussion in this thread for numerous other examples.) There has to be some accountability for their actions. Judgment day is tomorrow. If we reward the Liberals by returning them to power, we send entirely the wrong message not only to the Liberals but to our children and to all future generations. The message will be that its OK to rob, pillage and plunder because all you have to do is say I'm sorry, no harm done, I'll do better next time.................er..............vote for me.
There have to be real consequences to the Liberal misdeeds. We have limits to what we as individuals can do. We can either vote them in, or vote them out. That's it. And that opportunity presents itself tomorrow. Its the only day that any government will listen to the people.
Bring on the cat of nine tails!!
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Call me niaeve but I think the positive ecenomic things were a result of the Liberals 'choosing' to balance the budget, thereby creating creating the atmosphere for ecenomic growth, whereas the previous Conservative govn't 'chose' to run a defecite, which usually is bad for ecenomic growth.
As far as the Conservatives not wrecking the country.....
I believe that givin a majority govn't and the power to decide the fate of the country, they will take us into Iraq to help in the 'rebuilding' process and interfere with parts of the world I do not think we belong in, which will make us look bad in some parts of this world. This to me is 'wrecking' the Canada I want to live in.
Makhno said:
Call me niaeve but I think the positive ecenomic things were a result of the Liberals 'choosing' to balance the budget, thereby creating creating the atmosphere for ecenomic growth, whereas the previous Conservative govn't 'chose' to run a defecite, which usually is bad for ecenomic growth.
As far as the Conservatives not wrecking the country.....
I believe that givin a majority govn't and the power to decide the fate of the country, they will take us into Iraq to help in the 'rebuilding' process and interfere with parts of the world I do not think we belong in, which will make us look bad in some parts of this world. This to me is 'wrecking' the Canada I want to live in.
Makhno
It's been an interesting and lively debate, thanks for starting this thread. In a lot of ways, I agree with what you are saying. Where we differ is that in order for me to not vote Liberials, I have to see a viable alternative which I don't see in the Conservatives (don't even mention the NDP). Which is why I always go back to voting with a purpose. Here's to Alberta and BC actually having a say on the outcome tomorrow regardless of what it might be. The time for talking is almost over, let us vote!
It's been an interesting and lively debate, thanks for starting this thread. In a lot of ways, I agree with what you are saying. Where we differ is that in order for me to not vote Liberials, I have to see a viable alternative which I don't see in the Conservatives (don't even mention the NDP). Which is why I always go back to voting with a purpose. Here's to Alberta and BC actually having a say on the outcome tomorrow regardless of what it might be. The time for talking is almost over, let us vote!
Only 1 more sleep!
sniff, 'scuse me, my eyes, they are a tearing up here!
This has been one hell of a thread gang, kudo's to all who have participated
I for one will be very interested to see how our straw poll compares to the actual results
Let's Vote!
I never thought that I would actually live to see the day that the preceeding comment would become reality.wilde said:
sniff, 'scuse me, my eyes, they are a tearing up here!
This has been one hell of a thread gang, kudo's to all who have participated
I for one will be very interested to see how our straw poll compares to the actual results
Let's Vote!
Granted we were missing a bloq option, but I believe that traditionally their votes come at the expense of the liberals
And also granted, we do seem to have a "Western Flavour" on this board, so I would assume that the Conservatives, NDP and Greens would gain from that component, maybe offset the bloq factor
That being said, It will very interesting to see what happens tonight!
And also granted, we do seem to have a "Western Flavour" on this board, so I would assume that the Conservatives, NDP and Greens would gain from that component, maybe offset the bloq factor
That being said, It will very interesting to see what happens tonight!
The Bloc was not included because there are no candidates running outside Quebec.dufferin said:Just remember that some people may not have been able to vote in this poll because there weren't enough options.
The ommission of the Communist Party was an oversight. Sorry, Duff.
(Quite frankly, I thought they were irrelevant. ). In retrospect I should have listed all the registered parties or at least included an "other" category for all the fringe parties.I'll have an opportunity to rectify this oversight in the next federal election poll.........about six months from now.
