Now that the Election is real, who will you vote for?
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I agree with dufferin, I wish Duceppe and the Bloc could form the government. He is the only one who showed any passion, the rest just seemed like they were trying to sell me something.
I hate to admit it, but the more I see Martin avoiding the issues, the less I like the Guy.(I still support the party)
I hate to admit it, but the more I see Martin avoiding the issues, the less I like the Guy.(I still support the party)
With 301 seats in the house, wouldn't it be interesting if each party only got 75 seats(the bloc is only running 75 candidates) and an independent got the last one. Who would form the government????? Who would be the official opposition????
I would assume they would have to call another election, but who would have the authority to call it???(assuming none of the parties form a coalition)
I would assume they would have to call another election, but who would have the authority to call it???(assuming none of the parties form a coalition)
Wilde,
You don't mean something like a vote in PEI having the same value as a vote in Quebec or Ontario or Saskatchwan or BC do you?
Novel concept, and long, long overdue.
Being an Alberta boy, born and bred, I still have nightmares about the most vile piece of legislation ever imposed on our country:
The N.E.P.
Isn't that alone enough of a reason to vote against the Fiberals and deny them power, (and I am not saying to vote tory or green or ndp, but VOTE for the love of god, get out there and vote)
For anybody that encountered, endured, survived and remembers the impact, how can you ever forget the NEP. I will NEVER forget, and I will NEVER forgive!
A lot of people were intentionally hurt by that one, but wtf, they were out west...
Some of my friends from Quebec have commented that if Ottawa had done that to Quebec's hydro electric industry, BAM, they would have separated on the spot!
So, get out there,
Vote, Vote early, Vote Often!
You don't mean something like a vote in PEI having the same value as a vote in Quebec or Ontario or Saskatchwan or BC do you?
Novel concept, and long, long overdue.
Being an Alberta boy, born and bred, I still have nightmares about the most vile piece of legislation ever imposed on our country:
The N.E.P.
Isn't that alone enough of a reason to vote against the Fiberals and deny them power, (and I am not saying to vote tory or green or ndp, but VOTE for the love of god, get out there and vote)
For anybody that encountered, endured, survived and remembers the impact, how can you ever forget the NEP. I will NEVER forget, and I will NEVER forgive!
A lot of people were intentionally hurt by that one, but wtf, they were out west...
Some of my friends from Quebec have commented that if Ottawa had done that to Quebec's hydro electric industry, BAM, they would have separated on the spot!
So, get out there,
Vote, Vote early, Vote Often!
Headline from above:
TORIES EDGE AHEAD
Perhaps the majority of Canadians are beginning to look at our governance more seriously after all.
You can't have social programs if you don't have assured income streams. You cannot have income streams without succesful business ventures. You can only afford social programs when you stop waste to squeaky wheels that have no redeeming value.
It appears Canadians are coming around to logical thought. It also appears, by ridiculous TV and radio advertisements, that Liberal machine is VERY afrain of the Conservative logic.....attack ads that even a 10 year old will exclaim "Give me a break with your twisting of words and desparation tactics".
Layton will go back to selling cars. Paul to sitting on boards of his companies that will not get handouts from the best Federal government this country has seen in about 10 years.
Oh, and those who like to criticize the GST. It is the FAIREST tax of all as the more you consume, the more you pay. Itw as ALWAYS there but hidden for those of you who wish to know the facts versus just jumping up and down.
TORIES EDGE AHEAD
Perhaps the majority of Canadians are beginning to look at our governance more seriously after all.
You can't have social programs if you don't have assured income streams. You cannot have income streams without succesful business ventures. You can only afford social programs when you stop waste to squeaky wheels that have no redeeming value.
It appears Canadians are coming around to logical thought. It also appears, by ridiculous TV and radio advertisements, that Liberal machine is VERY afrain of the Conservative logic.....attack ads that even a 10 year old will exclaim "Give me a break with your twisting of words and desparation tactics".
Layton will go back to selling cars. Paul to sitting on boards of his companies that will not get handouts from the best Federal government this country has seen in about 10 years.
Oh, and those who like to criticize the GST. It is the FAIREST tax of all as the more you consume, the more you pay. Itw as ALWAYS there but hidden for those of you who wish to know the facts versus just jumping up and down.
Glad to be back !!!
Hey, Howie (Meeker) - I couldn't have said it better myself. I've been away from PERB (out on a boat - not so bad) for about a week or so.
There have been some fine sentiments expressed in my absence (and some pretty goofy ones, too - you know who you are).
Bottom line is that our little PERB poll is getting traction (i.e. - the Tories are running away, and "rightly" so - sorry, I couldn't resist).
So, we are at the point when I wonder how it would shape up if our dear Mod would allow those who voted a little too early (that is - before their education on this thread) to recast their votes. Hmmmmmmm ???
Hey, Howie (Meeker) - I couldn't have said it better myself. I've been away from PERB (out on a boat - not so bad) for about a week or so.
There have been some fine sentiments expressed in my absence (and some pretty goofy ones, too - you know who you are).
Bottom line is that our little PERB poll is getting traction (i.e. - the Tories are running away, and "rightly" so - sorry, I couldn't resist).
So, we are at the point when I wonder how it would shape up if our dear Mod would allow those who voted a little too early (that is - before their education on this thread) to recast their votes. Hmmmmmmm ???
Hey Makhno .......
Where do you get your "stuff"? Despite my being clearly on record as supporting our poll-leading party, I thought the Aislin cartoon (voulez vous couchez avec moi) was both f*cking brilliant as well as ROTFLMFAO !!!
Re your other thread, however, I must advise that the Tories will in no way require the NDippers. Re-read my thread from 2 weeks ago, wherin I predicted a coalition gov't - Tories and Bloc. Just remember kiddies, a coalition is NOT the same as a minority government - it allows the same stability as a majority!
Only thing the Blocheads would have to swallow - NO tabling of ANY items regarding separatism! They will go for this, because it gives them their first (and maybe only?) chance to sit in cabinet at the Federal table. Duceppe is just a mouth-piece for his party (albeit a fairly eloquent one). He'll be told what to do (by his party) when the time comes (29 June).
You heard it here first!
Where do you get your "stuff"? Despite my being clearly on record as supporting our poll-leading party, I thought the Aislin cartoon (voulez vous couchez avec moi) was both f*cking brilliant as well as ROTFLMFAO !!!
Re your other thread, however, I must advise that the Tories will in no way require the NDippers. Re-read my thread from 2 weeks ago, wherin I predicted a coalition gov't - Tories and Bloc. Just remember kiddies, a coalition is NOT the same as a minority government - it allows the same stability as a majority!
Only thing the Blocheads would have to swallow - NO tabling of ANY items regarding separatism! They will go for this, because it gives them their first (and maybe only?) chance to sit in cabinet at the Federal table. Duceppe is just a mouth-piece for his party (albeit a fairly eloquent one). He'll be told what to do (by his party) when the time comes (29 June).
You heard it here first!
Conservatives at 36%, Liberals at 31%
Conservatives closing in on majority
Polls find Tories pulling away from Liberals
CanWest News Service
June 17, 2004
WINDSOR, ONT. - A series of polls made public Wednesday show the Conservatives are gaining momentum at the expense of the Liberal government in the final two weeks of the election campaign.
HERE ARE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE POLLS:
- A survey by a former Liberal party pollster shows Stephen Harper's Conservatives are pulling away from Paul Martin's faltering Liberals and are heading for a strong minority and may be within reach of a majority government.
Liberal insiders told CanWest News Service that a poll taken Tuesday night by Michael Marzolini, chairman of Pollara, has the Tories at 36 per cent compared to 31 per cent for the Liberals. The NDP are at 16 per cent and the Bloc Quebecois at 12 per cent.
The poll puts the Tories at their highest level of support yet in the campaign and with all-important momentum with less than two weeks to go.
The poll of 1,267 voters is considered accurate within two percentage points 19 times out of 20.
- A separate poll taken following the English TV debate Tuesday was also good news for the Conservatives as it pegged Harper as the clear winner. The Ipsos-Reid poll for CTV also suggested Martin was the only party leader to see his standing slip.
According to the survey, 37 per cent of respondents said Harper won compared to 24 per cent for Martin, 18 per cent for Layton and six per cent for Gilles Duceppe of the Bloc Quebecois. When asked who had the best policies and ideas, 35 per cent favoured Harper to 27 per cent for Layton and 26 per cent for Martin.
Ipsos-Reid polled 2,107 voters after Tuesday night's TV debate. The voters were contacted previously by the company and arranged to give their responses over the Internet. The poll has a margin of error of 2.1 per cent 19 times out of 20.
- Meanwhile, the nightly SES poll for the CPAC television network continued to show the Conservatives and Liberals in a virtual tie less than two weeks before election day. The Tories are at 34-per-cent support among decided voters and the Liberals at 32 per cent, according to the sample of 600 people taken June 13-15. (The poll is considered accurate within 4.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20).
When the election was called, the Liberals held 168 seats in the House of Commons, while the Conservatives had 73. The Bloc held 33 seats and the NDP had 14. There were nine independents and four vacancies. This election will see seven seats added to the Commons.
Conservatives closing in on majority
Polls find Tories pulling away from Liberals
CanWest News Service
June 17, 2004
WINDSOR, ONT. - A series of polls made public Wednesday show the Conservatives are gaining momentum at the expense of the Liberal government in the final two weeks of the election campaign.
HERE ARE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE POLLS:
- A survey by a former Liberal party pollster shows Stephen Harper's Conservatives are pulling away from Paul Martin's faltering Liberals and are heading for a strong minority and may be within reach of a majority government.
Liberal insiders told CanWest News Service that a poll taken Tuesday night by Michael Marzolini, chairman of Pollara, has the Tories at 36 per cent compared to 31 per cent for the Liberals. The NDP are at 16 per cent and the Bloc Quebecois at 12 per cent.
The poll puts the Tories at their highest level of support yet in the campaign and with all-important momentum with less than two weeks to go.
The poll of 1,267 voters is considered accurate within two percentage points 19 times out of 20.
- A separate poll taken following the English TV debate Tuesday was also good news for the Conservatives as it pegged Harper as the clear winner. The Ipsos-Reid poll for CTV also suggested Martin was the only party leader to see his standing slip.
According to the survey, 37 per cent of respondents said Harper won compared to 24 per cent for Martin, 18 per cent for Layton and six per cent for Gilles Duceppe of the Bloc Quebecois. When asked who had the best policies and ideas, 35 per cent favoured Harper to 27 per cent for Layton and 26 per cent for Martin.
Ipsos-Reid polled 2,107 voters after Tuesday night's TV debate. The voters were contacted previously by the company and arranged to give their responses over the Internet. The poll has a margin of error of 2.1 per cent 19 times out of 20.
- Meanwhile, the nightly SES poll for the CPAC television network continued to show the Conservatives and Liberals in a virtual tie less than two weeks before election day. The Tories are at 34-per-cent support among decided voters and the Liberals at 32 per cent, according to the sample of 600 people taken June 13-15. (The poll is considered accurate within 4.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20).
When the election was called, the Liberals held 168 seats in the House of Commons, while the Conservatives had 73. The Bloc held 33 seats and the NDP had 14. There were nine independents and four vacancies. This election will see seven seats added to the Commons.
A coalition is formed solely to ensure the passing of bills introduced by the minority government in the parliament. As history can attest, minority governments usually don't have a very long shelf-life. I guess that equals stability?!?!Mr. Jones said:
A coalition government is like a minority government in the sense that the party with the most seats does not have a majority of seats. However, instead of the governing party negotiating with the other parties in an ad hoc manner to pass bills, it will form a coalition with one of the other parties to secure a majority on an ongoing basis. These parties then sit together as one party, with elected members from both parties taking key positions in government. A coalition government is more stable than a purely minority government because negotiation and compromise only needs to occur between the two coalition parties. However, it is obviously not as stable as a majority government
The history of minority governments in Canada shows them to have a relatively short shelf life. There have only been 8 in our history.
Minority governments are not necessarily ineffective. Of note, Lester Pearson never had a majority, yet he ranks as one of our better PMs. His minority government introduced several important Canadian social programs -- among others, the creation of the Canada Pension Plan, the adoption of universal publcily funded health care, and the introduction of government student loans for post-secondary students.
The history of minority governments in Canada shows them to have a relatively short shelf life. There have only been 8 in our history.
Minority governments are not necessarily ineffective. Of note, Lester Pearson never had a majority, yet he ranks as one of our better PMs. His minority government introduced several important Canadian social programs -- among others, the creation of the Canada Pension Plan, the adoption of universal publcily funded health care, and the introduction of government student loans for post-secondary students.
Interesting quiz to help you pick the party to vote for
Here is the link: Vote Selector Quiz
I took the quiz and I am a......................................... separatists.
Here is the link: Vote Selector Quiz
I took the quiz and I am a......................................... separatists.
Seems to be pretty accurate for me!
well, except that I'd vote NDP before I vote Liberal... (no chance of a federal NDP victory)
Conservative 100
Liberal 47
Bloc 35
NDP 35
Hmmm, does this mean I am a closet separtiste?
well, except that I'd vote NDP before I vote Liberal... (no chance of a federal NDP victory)
Conservative 100
Liberal 47
Bloc 35
NDP 35
Hmmm, does this mean I am a closet separtiste?
I took the quiz too: I guess I will have to vote NDP. Might have something to do with answers like "strongly oppose a leader who wanted to suck up to Bush by sending troups to Iraq" or however it was worded.
Jack Layton Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada (score = 100)
Gilles Duceppe Leader of the Bloc Quebecois (score = 74)
Paul Martin Leader of Liberal Party of Canada, Prime Minister of Canada (score = 48)
Stephen Harper Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada (score = 13)
Jack Layton Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada (score = 100)
Gilles Duceppe Leader of the Bloc Quebecois (score = 74)
Paul Martin Leader of Liberal Party of Canada, Prime Minister of Canada (score = 48)
Stephen Harper Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada (score = 13)
By the way, I can't believe a Conservative/Bloc coalition could ever exist. They are just too far apart on almost every issue. If there is a no-longer-progressive Conservative minority result, they will be unable to form a government unless they only present legislation that everyone else agrees with. That wouldn't be so bad --- they wouldn't be able to f**k everything up.
