North Korea's Nuke Test....WTF.

gpchillin

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But even if N. Korea sells a nuke to the terrorists, don't countries keep a list of nukes. I mean if the US gets nuked and you're able to trace it to North Korea...

If North Korea is stupid and suicidal, they would have attacked the South already. As far as I see things, North Korea is basically hand-cuffed, since they can't do anything without being annhiliated.

Well there is a list of known and suspected owners of nukes but the thing is IF a nuke is used they can track the nuke back to what reactor the fuel was from since each reactor leaves a different signature. By analyzing the fuel is how they figured out that the nuclear material used to make Israels nukes came from the USA. They know exactly what reactor in the US the stuff was stolen from.

That's one reason why a terrorist using a nuke is pretty slim since the country the fuel came from would take the retaliation from the rest of the world.
 

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Well there is a list of known and suspected owners of nukes but the thing is IF a nuke is used they can track the nuke back to what reactor the fuel was from since each reactor leaves a different signature. By analyzing the fuel is how they figured out that the nuclear material used to make Israels nukes came from the USA. They know exactly what reactor in the US the stuff was stolen from.

That's one reason why a terrorist using a nuke is pretty slim since the country the fuel came from would take the retaliation from the rest of the world.
Ok this is my synopsis of what I think this is going to lead, hence my post was to get some insight and feedback....

NK now has enough material to make more than just one or two nukes. They popped the cork on this one, and it surprised everyone, as far as I know. The neighbouring countries are shitting because they know that NK"s leadership is pretty wacky, wonky and generally paranoid of shadows.

I think that one way this could go is for NK to take one of their pop rockets, strap a nuke on it that's the size of the one that hit Hiroshima and lob it at Seoul. As long as it gets reasonably close is all that matters. After that....who knows.
 

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The USA has stated for decades that any attack against itself or any of its allies the US would respond with a massive nuclear counterattack wiping out the offending country. Even tho the cold war is over this policy is still very much alive and stand ready to be carried out. Saddam was reminded of this policy during the first gulf war when all the hoopla of chemical and bio weapons were flying around.

I think they might be nuts in N Korea but they are mostly posturing and using their nuclear and missile programs to show the world that even with all the sanctions and stuff against them they can still advance onward. It more about doing it because the major powers of the world say they are not allowed.

They are basically unruly 10 year old's who like to act out.
 

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Great. Now what? Death to all who oppose the Great Leader? Are they to launch by the end of the week? Why aren't there more people talking about this?

Seriously...this is big. These guys see themselves in a total," Us vs. Them" scenario, and now they've tested a device that can be delivered by a reasonably long range missile. That is, if they can bolt it on without blowing themselves up. Missile can reach Japan, Hawaii, and I think Alaska...which pretty much means us, kiddies.

Not to sound like Lightbrain or Wessy....but do you folks think we might have a shitstorm brewing here?
Hey dont worry about North Korea, dont worry about Saddam Hussain, dont worry about Iran. Its a wonderful world out there, everything is fine.
 

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"Who invented the telephone? Kim Jong-Il"
"Who founded Marxism? Kim Jong-Il"
lol

I still don't understand why the world is afraid of a tiny country with ONE nuke, yet China/Russia has more than enough nukes to probably up Earth to it's core.

North Korea may be aggressive, but what can you really do with a nuke? Assuming you're not a terrorist. Pyongyang isn't gonna nuke Seoul or Tokyo just to "teach them a lesson", if they did, the entire landmass of North Korea would be obliterated into the ocean within minutes.

"A chihuahua may be growling, biting and barking ferociously, but in the end, it's still just a chihuahua."
They want to sell the technology to rogue states and terrorists. That is not good.
 

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They should all be NUKED but left wing pussies are too scared of war. Give war a chance, it worked in Iraq.
You're a disturbed little man :rolleyes:
 

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The delivery system we should be concerned about is a container.

It shows up in a North American port and takes out the entire city before anyone even knows its here.
 

myselftheother

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Hey dont worry about North Korea, dont worry about Saddam Hussain, dont worry about Iran. Its a wonderful world out there, everything is fine.
Don't be an ass. Not worried about Hussein since he's dead, not too worried about Iran since the elections are about to happen and that wacko is about to be voted out....worried about North Korea because we are a port city, that receives shipping from all over the world. Makes us a target. The old USSR had us targeted during the cold war, just for that fact.

Was actually looking for intelligent responses to this post....so no need to for you to participate, Lightbringer/Wess/Silky.
 

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Don't be an ass. Not worried about Hussein since he's dead, not too worried about Iran since the elections are about to happen and that wacko is about to be voted out....worried about North Korea because we are a port city, that receives shipping from all over the world. Makes us a target. The old USSR had us targeted during the cold war, just for that fact.

Was actually looking for intelligent responses to this post....so no need to for you to participate, Lightbringer/Wess/Silky.
You think that Iran is a democracy ? you know nothing
 

summerbreeze

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being an olympic host makes us a target for terrorist attack during the olympics

kind of an unsettling thought
 

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american won't do anything UNTIL their city got hit by NOrth Korea and then they will do something..........


Democracy American can't declare war without cause......
 

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They should all be NUKED but left wing pussies are too scared of war. Give war a chance, it worked in Iraq.
I agree with the disturbed not so little man ;) If these assholes want to terrorize the whole world then they need to be communicated with the same way.

Here's an interesting article from the Wall Street Journal:

Iran's Nuclear Shopping List

Morgenthau: 'It's late in the game.'

Back when the Bush Administration was warning about Iran's nuclear progress, or its deadly meddling in Iraq, the typical Democratic and media response was to treat the Islamic Republic as innocent until proven guilty. This month, Democrat Robert Morgenthau supplied the proof.

In testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that was largely ignored by the media, the legendary Manhattan District Attorney opened a window on how Iran is secretly obtaining the ingredients for an arsenal of mass destruction. Mr. Morgenthau, whose recent cases have exposed illicit Iranian finance and procurement networks, has discovered what he calls "Iran's shopping list for materials related to weapons of mass destruction." They add up to "literally thousands of records."

Missile accuracy appears to be a key Iranian goal. In one of Mr. Morgenthau's cases -- the prosecution of Chinese citizen Li Fang Wei and his LIMMT company for allegedly scamming Manhattan banks to slip past sanctions on Iran -- the DA uncovered a list that included 400 sophisticated gyroscopes and 600 accelerometers. These are critical for developing accurate long-range missiles. He also found that Iran was acquiring a rare metal called tantalum, "used in those roadside bombs that are being used against our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan." So much for the media notion that Iran has played no part in killing American GIs.

Mr. Morgenthau also noted that the material shipped by LIMMT "included 15,000 kilograms of a specialized aluminum alloy used almost exclusively in long-range missile production; 1,700 kilograms of graphite cylinders used for banned electrical discharge machines which are used in converting uranium; more than 30,000 kilograms of tungsten-copper plates; 200 pieces of tungsten-copper alloy hollow cylinders, all used for missiles; 19,000 kilograms of tungsten metal powder, and 24,500 kilograms of maraging steel rods . . . especially hardened steel suitable for long-range missiles."

Lest anyone think that these materials may have innocent uses, Mr. Morgenthau added that "we have consulted with top experts in the field from MIT and from private industry and from the CIA. . . . Frankly, some of the people we've consulted are shocked by the sophistication of the equipment they're buying."

Mr. Morgenthau's information is corroborated by a staff report for the Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by Democrat John Kerry, which notes that Iran is making nuclear progress on all fronts, and that it "could produce enough weapons-grade material for a bomb within six months." The committee also notes that "Iran is operating a broad network of front organizations," and that authorities suspect "some purchases for Iran's nuclear and missile programs may have come through an elaborate ruse to avoid U.S. financial sanctions on dealing with Iranian banks."

As we've reported, Lloyds bank entered into a deferred prosecution agreement in January with Mr. Morgenthau's office in which it admitted to a $300 million "stripping" scheme designed to hide the Iranian origin of banking transfers from 2001 to 2004. Several other banks are also in the crosshairs of Mr. Morgenthau and the Justice Department.

All this should put to rest any doubts about the Iranian regime's purposes and determination. As for what the U.S. should do about it, the committee report insists that "direct engagement" must be a part of American strategy, and so it seems fated to be under the Obama Administration. The least it can do is heed Mr. Morgenthau's central point about everything he's learned about Iran's nuclear progress: "It's late in the game, and we don't have a lot of time."
 

HeMadeMeDoIt

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has Nuclear Weapons that must be maintained.

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BULLSHIT! Australia does not have nuclear weapons. They did research it a decade or two back and then decided to sign the nuclear proliferation agreement.
 
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